No Hillary Supporter would vote for Palin

Zyphlin · 09-03-08, 08:18 PM

I've seen this stated on this forum and other places, and CNN seems to have proven this wrong.

They actually interviewed a Hillary supporter whose at the convention that is planning on voting for McCain Palin.

She stated that she believed that women who were not one issue voters would likely see Palin as someone that can break the glass ceiling and blaze a trail for future women. She also believes Palin is a person that can sympathize with women's issues and help further things that are important to them.

The thing that really surprised me was her take on abortion. The CNN reporter asked her about the one issue voter statement and her thoughts on McCain and hers view on abortion. She said she didn't believe that abortion was going to be going away, even if McCain becomes president, or anytime soon and that the Democrats have been using the topic for 30 years to keep women in line while doing next to nothing else to truly further women or womens issue. Essentially saying the Democrats are using the "politics of fear" that "if you vote in republicans they'll take away your abortions" and that just hasn't been the case, and she doesn't think it'll ever really be the case.

So, while I understand that she does not represent every Hillary supporter, I think this just further shows...along with posts on numbers of Hillary message boards on the internet...that there are at least SOME women and Hillary voters that DO, no matter what some women on the site on this site want to say in trying to speak for their entire sex, think that a Palin/McCain ticket is something they could get behind despite the abortion issue.

Katy J · 09-03-08, 08:28 PM

I don't think you are correct. I understand that the latest Gallup poll shows Republicans women are attracted to her but Democrats and Inds are not. There are more registered Democratic women than registered Republican women.

There was another thread on this forum that claimed she would draw Hillary voters and I asked why but was never answered.

I myself have been up in the air over the election but the choice of Palin has put me squarely in Obama's camp. Palin, in my view, is a corrupt small pond person with delusions of grandeur, and taking McCain's age into consideration, it isn't a stretch to think she might end up leading the country. That scares the **** out of me.

Zyphlin · 09-03-08, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Katy J

I don't think you are correct. I understand that the latest Gallup poll shows Republicans women are attracted to her but Democrats and Inds are not. There are more registered Democratic women than registered Republican women.

Apparently the Hillary supporter at the republican convention, and numerous ones on Hillary websites disagree with you.

I can show you actual instances of women that have stated they will be voting for the Palin and McCain ticket that were formerly for Hillary. How am I not correct he can gain some.

No where have I said he would get ALL the Hillary voters because of this. I doubt he'll even get half of them. But I think he will get more than he would've previously, and the woman on CNN and the people on her forums are evidence of that.

Yes, single issue women who have abortion as the top of anything they care about aren't likely to go over. Hardcore democrats aren't going to vote for her...no, the ones that "snicker" when they talk about the college she goes to, calls her white trash, say her baby isn't her own, are not going to vote for her. They weren't going to switch anyways...but there are going to be moderate democrats and liberal women that come over. Maybe not in droves but I'm mystified how people can say that it won't gain them any Hillary supporters when there's actual evidence to the contrary.

DCPSR · 09-03-08, 08:42 PM

If you are a Democrat and a woman and are pro-choice, why would you vote of her. The next President could be appointing up to 3 SC justices. Stevens is 88, Ginsburg is not very healthy and Scalia is in his 70's.

rivrrat · 09-03-08, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Zyphlin

I've seen this stated on this forum and other places, and CNN seems to have proven this wrong.

They actually interviewed a Hillary supporter whose at the convention that is planning on voting for McCain Palin.

She stated that she believed that women who were not one issue voters would likely see Palin as someone that can break the glass ceiling and blaze a trail for future women. She also believes Palin is a person that can sympathize with women's issues and help further things that are important to them.

The thing that really surprised me was her take on abortion. The CNN reporter asked her about the one issue voter statement and her thoughts on McCain and hers view on abortion. She said she didn't believe that abortion was going to be going away, even if McCain becomes president, or anytime soon and that the Democrats have been using the topic for 30 years to keep women in line while doing next to nothing else to truly further women or womens issue. Essentially saying the Democrats are using the "politics of fear" that "if you vote in republicans they'll take away your abortions" and that just hasn't been the case, and she doesn't think it'll ever really be the case.

So, while I understand that she does not represent every Hillary supporter, I think this just further shows...along with posts on numbers of Hillary message boards on the internet...that there are at least SOME women and Hillary voters that DO, no matter what some women on the site on this site want to say in trying to speak for their entire sex, think that a Palin/McCain ticket is something they could get behind despite the abortion issue.

The "abortion issue" isn't the only reason I don't want her in office. In fact, it's at the bottom of the list.

I'm not a one issue voter. I detested Hillary. I *might* have previously been swayed to vote for McCain.

There's no way I can be swayed to vote for him with Palin as his running mate though.

The people she'll bring over due to her gender are shallow ignorant voters, IMO. They deserve her.

Katy J · 09-03-08, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Zyphlin

Apparently the Hillary supporter at the republican convention, and numerous ones on Hillary websites disagree with you.

I can show you actual instances of women that have stated they will be voting for the Palin and McCain ticket that were formerly for Hillary. How am I not correct he can gain some.

No where have I said he would get ALL the Hillary voters because of this. I doubt he'll even get half of them. But I think he will get more than he would've previously, and the woman on CNN and the people on her forums are evidence of that.

Yes, single issue women who have abortion as the top of anything they care about aren't likely to go over. Hardcore democrats aren't going to vote for her...no, the ones that "snicker" when they talk about the college she goes to, calls her white trash, say her baby isn't her own, are not going to vote for her. They weren't going to switch anyways...but there are going to be moderate democrats and liberal women that come over. Maybe not in droves but I'm mystified how people can say that it won't gain them any Hillary supporters when there's actual evidence to the contrary.

While I appreciate what you are saying, it's hard to take the word of people at Hillary sites, who may be trolls, and one person on CNN, who might also be a troll, at their words. I think the Gallup poll is more accurate.

Why exactly do you think women that supported Hillary would support Palin? You are assuming that most women that supported Hillary only did so because of gender and I believe it is much more complicated than that.

Zyphlin · 09-03-08, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Katy J

While I appreciate what you are saying, it's hard to take the word of people at Hillary sites, who may be trolls, and one person on CNN, who might also be a troll, at their words. I think the Gallup poll is more accurate.

Why exactly do you think women that supported Hillary would support Palin? You are assuming that most women that supported Hillary only did so because of gender and I believe it is much more complicated than that.

No, i'm not assuming that most women that supported Hillary did so just because of their gender, where have I said that.

I've even stated, I don't think she'll get a majority...thus "most"...of the Hillary supporters.

But yes, I do think SOME women planned to vote for Hillary because she was a women. Just like I think there are some people just because he's Black. And some people who will vote for McCain just because he's white going up against a black guy.

Yes, I do think some people vote on pointless things. Some peoples votes are swayed by who the most attractive or tallest person is, subconsiously.

But I'm not even addressing that.

I'm assuming there are some Hillary supporters that were supporting her, IN PART, because she was a woman. They believed that being a woman, she understood some of the issues women go through and thought that she is more likely to address them than a man. As well, once a woman reaches the white house the possibilities open up for that in the future. They may've supported her because they've been Reagan/Clinton democrats that take security seriously, thought she could do it better than Obama, but had more likable things about her than McCain. Now, when posed between Obama and McCain, they think McCain could do better. Those are just some examples.

The media, and liberal Hillary supporters, told us the whole time leading up to the primaries that she was going to pull over Republican women that weren't staunch conservatives. I disagree, just like I disagree them pulling staunch democrats. But yes, I can easily see some...not most but SOME...independent and moderately democrat women coming over.

You say they're trolls. Its wonderful to discount anyone as "trolls", but eventually you've got to admit there are some.

I will go check the Gallup poll. I'd be interesting to see. Looking for who gets more women vote isn't really the question though...cause I'm not saying he's going to get the majority of democrat women. I'm saying he may get some of the Hillary vote, SOME, and specifically not the ones that are strong democrats. The Gallup poll is only really useful to see if his support from women has, or will, increase from the time prior to Palin to the time after.

Gabby · 09-03-08, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DCPSR

If you are a Democrat and a woman and are pro-choice, why would you vote of her. The next President could be appointing up to 3 SC justices. Stevens is 88, Ginsburg is not very healthy and Scalia is in his 70's.

I'm a Republican, a woman and pro-choice. Yes, we do exist. I like Palin so far. I'm not religious. Haven't been to church in eons. I'm jealous she has fired an AR-15 and I know how to field dress a deer - have no desire to do a moose. Too much work.

We are complicated and multi-faceted, just like men. We don't just care about getting women in office. We don't just care about abortion, on either side of the issue. We care about the war, the economy, gas prices, ethanol, the environment and everything else men worry about. SCOTUS is right up there in importance too. I don't want liberals seated, obviously. But that's one of about 12 issues that lead me to my decisions on voting. If I had to, at the threat of death, choose ONE issue and be a single-issue voter, it would be the 2nd amendment.

You can't broadbrush anyone, including women, including Republicans, including people who go to church. We're cutting ourselves short, as a society, when we try to do that. We're missing out on all sorts of interesting takes and viewpoints when we immediately dismiss than any Hillary supporter could flip and vote Palin, because we think we know what that person thinks, inside and out. That's arrogance and arrogance leads to ignorance.

Katy J · 09-03-08, 09:09 PM

Okay, Zyp, I can see where you are coming from. It may be true that some Hillary supporters will like McCain better because of a perceived notion that he is stronger on security than Obama. But Palin as a choice wouldn't change their minds, would they?

Zyphlin · 09-03-08, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Katy J

Okay, Zyp, I can see where you are coming from. It may be true that some Hillary supporters will like McCain better because of a perceived notion that he is stronger on security than Obama. But Palin as a choice wouldn't change their minds, would they?

Palin may cause them to give it a second look and just give yet one more reason to vote for him.

I think you are underselling the fact of a women getting into the white house as a bonus. Not as THE only issue. I'm not saying a women voting for a women JUST because its a women. But I can't understand how one could think that it couldn't at least be something that tips, or just adds another potential straw to a number of others that push you in a direction.