bhkad

That's a BIG generalization there, little lady.

And, aside from that generalization, are you saying they were lying about their admiration for him before this election cycle?

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OBL 11/24/02

bhkad

You fail to see the situation clearly.

The process of creating a functioning government from scratch takes time. It is made impossibly difficult with widespread violence going on throughout the land, day and night.

Even if there was NO violence from now on there would still be a need for our troops there until the threat of infiltration and internal subversion by Iran is no longer a problem.

How would you like it if, after we have poured billions of dollars into rebuilding, retraining and re-equipping Iraq and its security & military forces then we left and the Iranians began to seep in? If they came in before a habit or tradition of integrity and national loyalty had been instilled into the Iraqi government, military and people, the Iranians could easily force, intimidate, bribe, or otherwise persuade the Govt. officials or military or police or key people within the national infrastructure to do a certain thing or not do a certain thing and voila! The Iranians would be on their way to controlling Iraq.

And they would have a well equipped and functioning society, thanks to us and it would have been virtually handed to the Iranians on a silver platter.

Iraq is like a hospital patient who has suffered a concussion and wants to be released from the hospital as soon as he regains consciousness but the doctor says that he should stay for another day or two for observation because just because he feels ok now doesn't mean that he's able to functional normally just yet.

The surge has worked astonishingly well in reducing the level of violence so that the business of rebuilding the country can proceed in earnest. But the work that has just now begun requires a stability that just can't be short changed.

The President has ALWAYS said we will stand down as soon as the Iraqis can stand up. Well they are now starting to stand up. And guess what?

There are 20,000 fewer troops in Iraq than there were when the Surge began. So, there is progress being made.

I gather you are a professional musician. As soon as you finish your last song do you break down your equipment and rush home?

No.

You get paid. You talk with fans to keep them happy. You talk with representatives of the establishment to keep them informed and happy. You may have a drink and shoot the breeze. You might network with some of the other musicians who played with you. You might talk about the next gig or who is available to sit in for the drummer whose wife is preggers and might deliver next week. Then you break everything down and load it up and go home.

Why?

Because the job entails more than just performing and going home. If you neglect the post performance stuff and you might not have as long a run at that place as you might have liked.

If you are a happily married man you know that after making love with your wife you had better not get into the habit of just getting up afterwards and dashing off elsewhere. The afterglow cuddling and pillow talk is part of the deal.

There is no getting around it.

If you think the job is done as soon as the main performance is complete you will soon learn otherwise.

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OBL 11/24/02

Reverend_Hellh0und

didn't they fawn over the "maverick" for years? Even endorsing him before the hanging??

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aps

Frankly, I was a huge fan of his in 2000. I may have even voted for him over Gore had McCain been the nominee. Back then, he had morals and convictions and stood by his convictions. He has changed over the years. He told Bush back in 2000 that he (Bush) should be ashamed of the things that Bush had said about McCain as a veteran. Now I see him butt kissing Bush like no one's business. He puts out an add that blames high gas prices on Obama? Who does he think he is foolling? He should be ashamed of himself. He is a pandering, unsophisticated man who has lost my respect.

Reverend_Hellh0und

question.


how do you view the other canidate. does he not have these same traits on his side of things?


personally i dont see a lick of difference between them

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Wherefore my bowels shall sound like an harp for Moab, and mine inward parts for Kirharesh -Isaih 16:1

bhkad

You haven't heard of Obama's Global Poverty Bill, then.




$845 Billion Dollar Obama Bill at Sunflower Desert

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OBL 11/24/02

aps

I support Obama even with his imperfections.

Reverend_Hellh0und

i keep my blolt carrier well oiled for the day the UN comes to collect a tax.

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Wherefore my bowels shall sound like an harp for Moab, and mine inward parts for Kirharesh -Isaih 16:1

bhkad

Obama's bill "subordinates U.S. foreign policy to the U.N. and commits us to fulfill what are called the U.N. Millennium goals — that is, 0.7 percent of GNP to foreign aid. And that means we’ve got to come up (with) $845 billion...”

CHANGE!

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OBL 11/24/02

Reverend_Hellh0und

but my question is how do they differ in thier imperfections?

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Wherefore my bowels shall sound like an harp for Moab, and mine inward parts for Kirharesh -Isaih 16:1