Why is McCain disliked by a majority of the republicans? - Page 3

galenrox · 07-17-08, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Zyphlin

ITs arguing something different though. He was insinuating that since he was the Republican nominee, that must automatically mean a majority of republics LIKE him, not dislike him.

I said that's not necessarily true.

Lets look at the 5 big vote getters for the Republicans:

McCain, Thompson, Huckabee, Romney, Paul

My belief is, in general, you had Thompson, Huck, Romney, and Paul all splitting the core base of the Republican party and the staunch conservatives while McCain had himself a nice little niche of the liberal/moderate republicans (with Huckabee making inroads for it as time went on).

Or, put another way.

Lets say that 40% of the party is moderate/liberal and 60% is conservative.

McCain getting 35% of the moderate total could still beat out the other four guys if they all split that 60% in such a way that no single person gets more than McCain from his little niche.

All I'm saying is that McCain getting the nominee in no way proves or shows that "the majority of republicans like McCain".

No I understand what you're getting at, it's like why Ron Paul led in military donations. If you were a pro war Republican you might give your money to McCain, Romney, Hunter, Huckabee, Giuliani, etc. but if you're an antiwar Republican you gave your money to Ron Paul.

What I'm saying is it's not that simple. Where's the line between moderate and conservative? As soon as you draw that line, you have to deal with the fact that the people on either side of the line have a lot more in common with each other than the people further away from the line in their own segmentation. Sure in a general sense you had McCain and Giuliani on the left and Romney and Huckabee on the right, but even then you had relatively few places where they were genuinely splitting each others support up too significantly, Huckabee really wasn't **** in New Hampshire, nor was Romney in South Carolina, the only place they were both kind of competitive was Florida, and there McCain had to deal with Giuliani who was still of some note there. It doesn't mean the majority like him, but it means more people liked him more than anyone else.

MC.no.spin · 07-17-08, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by galenrox

Well that was a bad strategy because had Romney won 2/5th of the California delegates he might've been able to really stay in it following Super Tuesday. Florida was only about momentum, and as we saw with Giuliani, it doesn't take long for momentum to completely vanish.

It wasn't strategy, it was a deflated campaign that had only Romney's own cash to support. Losing Florida killed momentum all right, particulary $$$ wise. Romney waffled on donating more of his own personal $ to advertise on Super Tuesday, and there were no other funds left. He did decide to advertise at the last minute but it was a joke.

Zyphlin · 07-17-08, 04:09 PM

So I'll just ask you flately galen.

Do you think the Majority of Republicans like having John McCain as their candidate, or dislike it?

Plain and simple question.

galenrox · 07-17-08, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Zyphlin

So I'll just ask you flately galen.

Do you think the Majority of Republicans like having John McCain as their candidate, or dislike it?

Plain and simple question.

I think the majority like it, but those that don't like it dislike it a lot more than the people who like it like it.

rsixing · 07-17-08, 09:02 PM

This may be old news but I read in an older periodical, I can't remember which, McCain's mother said when it comes to her sons electability some in the Republican Party will just have to hold their noses and vote for her son. Hey maybe that's where NP got that saying.

galenrox · 07-18-08, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MC.no.spin

It wasn't strategy, it was a deflated campaign that had only Romney's own cash to support. Losing Florida killed momentum all right, particulary $$$ wise. Romney waffled on donating more of his own personal $ to advertise on Super Tuesday, and there were no other funds left. He did decide to advertise at the last minute but it was a joke.

That's a fair point, because it would've cost him a lot of money, and as we saw spending a lot of money was no guarantee of victory for him by any means. That said, I remember at the time as a McCain supporter I was scared ****less of Romney tossing an extra $10 mil or so for Super Tuesday.

MC.no.spin · 07-18-08, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by galenrox

That's a fair point, because it would've cost him a lot of money, and as we saw spending a lot of money was no guarantee of victory for him by any means. That said, I remember at the time as a McCain supporter I was scared ****less of Romney tossing an extra $10 mil or so for Super Tuesday.

And he would have had he won Florida, though he probably would not have had to worry about it as donations would have poured in. Florida really pissed me off as in the exit polls, people said their biggest concern was the economy. Hello? How they could have chosen McCain over Romney as regards this subject bugs me to this day.

My beef with the earlier Romney campaign was how they ran it - too dirty. It solidified an image of stoicness and coldness, rather than illuminate his rather friendly and down to earth character. He gained in popularity when he simply got his name out there and expressed himself. His attack ads recoiled on him IMO.

Ultimately, he had the wrong people running his campaign. That cost him the race. He should have won Florida and that would have changed everything.

bhkad · 07-18-08, 03:00 AM

There is a lot of opinions in this thread in answer to the thread question. I'll just add this to the mix because I saw it happen today that a known apologist for Jihadist issues got a "Thank You For This Useful Post" by an Ultra-Conservative because the apologist used an issue of particular appeal when discussing the Amnesty deal.

So, I'd say that there is some possibility, no matter how small it might be, that some of the Ultra Conservatives bash him beyond all reason and they tear into him as though he was the Devil.

I believe this is the result of alien influences.

But in this case the sign might read, "F*** McCain!!"

Reverend_Hellh0und · 07-18-08, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatuey

Didn't he say it was a states issue?

he has said many different things at many different times.

galenrox · 07-18-08, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MC.no.spin

And he would have had he won Florida, though he probably would not have had to worry about it as donations would have poured in. Florida really pissed me off as in the exit polls, people said their biggest concern was the economy. Hello? How they could have chosen McCain over Romney as regards this subject bugs me to this day.

My beef with the earlier Romney campaign was how they ran it - too dirty. It solidified an image of stoicness and coldness, rather than illuminate his rather friendly and down to earth character. He gained in popularity when he simply got his name out there and expressed himself. His attack ads recoiled on him IMO.

Ultimately, he had the wrong people running his campaign. That cost him the race. He should have won Florida and that would have changed everything.

Had he won Florida he probably wouldn't have had to, all of the campaigns recognized Florida was the game from the get go. He probably still wouldn't have won Florida, but he'd've done a lot better on the margins which would've meant a lot in some states and he probably could've won. Thank God for Charlie Crist!