Rasmussen Poll shows statistical tie for President........ - Page 9

MC.no.spin · 07-18-08, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Kandahar

Wow. How ethnocentric.

Maybe they don't want democracy because Arab democracies tend to produce extremism, corruption, instability, or all of the above. Maybe they don't want democracy because they just believe that a dictator or king is a better system of government. Maybe they don't want democracy because that's what the Great Satan wants, and they want to be different. Maybe they don't want democracy because they feel that they aren't informed enough about the issues to make a rational decision (which is probably true).

Is it really that shocking that someone from another part of the world might not want the same things from a government that YOU want? Does it make them "unintelligent"? No.

Hell if I lived in nearly any Arab state, I wouldn't be clamoring for democracy. I can't think of a better way to send any of those countries to hell in a handcart.

Democracy is difficult and takes a while, but democracy is always worth it. Through "transformational diplomacy" and strong partnerships with theses nations, it can be achieved.

"I believe democracy to be of all forms of government the most natural, and the most consonant with individual liberty. In it no one transfers his natural rights so absolutely that he has no further voice in affairs, he only hands it over to the majority of a society, whereof he is a unit. Thus all men remain, as they were in the state of nature, equals".
Spinoza

"Democracy is 'government of, by and for the people'".
Abraham Lincoln

winston53660 · 07-18-08, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MC.no.spin

Democracy is difficult and takes a while, but democracy is always worth it.

Even with the tyranny of the majority is democracy really worth it?

At one time in this country 70% of the populace supported anti miscegenation laws.

MC.no.spin · 07-18-08, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by winston53660

Even with the tyranny of the majority is democracy really worth it?

At one time in this country 70% of the populace supported anti miscegenation laws.

A benevolent monarchy, recognizing full and equal civil rights of all its citizens, giving equal voice to the poor, with no unfair practices to big business, nor against them either, would probably be the best and lead to a very nice utopia.

However, this is reality.

Democracy is the best option.

I think two term limits are an impediment to a stable, thriving democracy, however.

winston53660 · 07-18-08, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MC.no.spin

A benevolent monarchy, recognizing full and equal civil rights of all its citizens, giving equal voice to the poor, with no unfair practices to big business, nor against them either, would probably be the best and lead to a very nice utopia.

However, this is reality.

Democracy is the best option.

I think two term limits are an impediment to a stable, thriving democracy, however.

Hmm and your ID says no

Yet you try to

like a top.

I do think our form, in the USA, of a Constitutional Democratic Republic has served us well as best as it can. After all women, slaves, and non property owners have gotten the vote through fairly peaceful means.

MC.no.spin · 07-18-08, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by winston53660

Hmm and your ID says no

Yet you try to

like a top.

I do think our form, in the USA, of a Constitutional Democratic Republic has served us well as best as it can. After all women, slaves, and non property owners have gotten the vote through fairly peaceful means.

I don't get how you think I'm trying to spin anything, if you agree with me that democracy has served us well. Either you have a better ideology you haven't put forward yet, or your pre-conceived notions about how my posting tendencies may or may not be have overwhelmed your sense of judgement on this pleasant evening.

winston53660 · 07-18-08, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MC.no.spin

I don't get how you think I'm trying to spin anything,

You always do.

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if you agree with me that democracy has served us well.

I just totally disagreed with you.

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Either you have a better idealogy you haven't put forward yet,

I just did put it forward.

MC.no.spin · 07-18-08, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by winston53660

You always do.

I just totally disagreed with you.

I just did put it forward.

Apparently, your sarcasm escaped me. If you care to elaborate on your preferred ideology, I will await it with baited breath.

bhkad · 07-18-08, 03:21 AM

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Why the Race Is Tied
By Dick Morris
FrontPageMagazine.com | Thursday, July 17, 2008

After almost six weeks of a constant Obama lead, generally in the five to seven-point range, Scott Rasmussen’s daily tracking poll records two consecutive days of a tie race (July 12-13) and a one-point Obama lead on July 14. What happened to the Democrat’s lead?

Part of the slippage is Obama’s fault and part is McCain’s gain.

Obama has carried flip-flopping to new heights. In the space of a month and a half, this candidate - who we don’t really yet know very well - reversed or sharply modified his positions on at least eight key issues:

Read the 8 reasons and analysis here:

FrontPage Magazine

disneydude · 07-18-08, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by bhkad

Read the 8 reasons and analysis here:

FrontPage Magazine

Analysis from a prostitute toe sucker? Hmmmm.....wow that's credible.

DeeJayH · 07-18-08, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Kandahar

. Maybe. Maybe not. Whether YOU think there is a better way is not relevant to what the people in those countries think. Who says that democracy is universally better than every other form of government, regardless of the type of society in which it is implemented?

history? sure seems to work better than anything else in the countries that practice it

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Originally Posted by Kandahar

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Monarchy? Strongman dictatorship? Local fiefdom? All have existed much longer than democracy has

sorry if i confused, this question you answered was linked to the first question. I am not asking for all the different types that came before or presently. I am asking what came before that was better