McCain beginning to dig his own grave. - Page 3

the makeout hobo · 06-30-08, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

So because its Obama, it's not a flip flop?

No. If he had not said any time before that quote that he wanted to withdraw troops, where's the flip flop? Sure, he supports it now, but can't someone evolve their stance over time?

Reverend_Hellh0und · 06-30-08, 03:02 PM

Former Obama Staffer Claims Obama May not Pull the Troops out of Iraq Wake Up America

Democrats Say Will Not Pull Troops Out If Elected President â€“ Obama Clinton and Edwards Democratic Debate | Best Syndication

jallman · 06-30-08, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteEU

Bloomberg.com: News

So funny coming from a man who has flipflopped on every major issue.

What is more interesting is the seeming total lack of strategy by the McCain camp on how to deal with Obama. Now they are accusing Obama of being a flipflopper.. and that's dangerous considering McCains own record on issues.

Is McCain panicking or just forgot his own record on flipflopping?

Meh. That'll teach me to walk into a thread without first checking to see who started it. The most remarkable thing about Petey's commentary is that it robbed me of the 30 seconds of precious life it took me to read and dismiss it as more of his uninformed, blinded rantings.

Lerxst · 06-30-08, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by P/N

Petey, do you live in the US? Can you vote in the upcoming election? Since the answer to both of these questions is "no", maybe this isn't the best place for you to be hanging out.
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I didn't attack him. I asked him two questions and pointed out that since the answer to both is "no", he really has no business starting threads about either candidate. I would have said the same thing had he started a thread about Obama.

Non-sequitur that got thanked by Navy Pride...imagine that.

It really doesn't matter that he isn't American and can't vote in our elections. The fact is that many non-Americans have great interest in the course of our electoral process. We have given them great reason to worry about who we put into office. Just look at the last seven and a half years. Our politics cast long shadows and send major ripples throughout the rest of the world. His opinion is valid and should be welcome in this forum. How many American posters participate in the international forums here at DP? I don't know the count but I would say the majority of posts are made by Americans.

Both candidates flip flop, it's what they do. They are politicians at heart. The "better man" is irrelevant at this point, the numbers don't lie. McCain won't win, the electoral college will follow the popular vote which will go squarely for Obama, and that will be the end of it.

jallman · 06-30-08, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffMerriman

Both candidates flip flop, it's what they do. They are politicians at heart. McCain won't win, the electoral college will follow the popular vote which will go squarely for Obama, and that will be the end of it.

With all due respect, I remember a certain presidential candidate who didn't get the popular vote but got the electoral votes needed to win. Then all kinds of accusations ensued about stolen elections and other stupid ****.

Lerxst · 06-30-08, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jallman

With all due respect, I remember a certain presidential candidate who didn't get the popular vote but got the electoral votes needed to win. Then all kinds of accusations ensued about stolen elections and other stupid ****.

Yeah I realize that, but this won't be the case this time. There is too big a difference in the voting numbers. I firmly believe Obama will carry a healthy popular vote and the EC will follow that trend.

jfuh · 06-30-08, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by P/N

Petey, do you live in the US? Can you vote in the upcoming election? Since the answer to both of these questions is "no", maybe this isn't the best place for you to be hanging out.

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Originally Posted by P/N

I didn't attack him. I asked him two questions and pointed out that since the answer to both is "no", he really has no business starting threads about either candidate. I would have said the same thing had he started a thread about Obama.

So let me get this straight - he's not an American so he has no business in commenting about our candidates?
Does the same work in reverse? If so I'd love to hear the explanation on WTF we are doing in Iraq then. That goes far beyond just commenting on.

jfuh · 06-30-08, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by John1234

As Americans, we do not want non Americans influencing our election.

However, in todays world we as Americans must also realize that because our elections dramatically effect the rest of the world, that the rest of the world's opinions should be heard and respected.

While not everyone agrees with this, millions within America and around the globe believe that this election is between world war and world peace.
If the stakes are that high, it sort of makes this a world election... at least from one perspective.

As the sole remaining super power I actually think that as American's who have a greater role in the world we should be taking the opinions of what those around the world think. Our actions ultimately do affect global political climate and the roll of our leaders go far beyond our own borders.
IOW a candidate that has the ability to ally more nations in cooperation with us rather than working against us would be both beneficial the nation and to the world as a whole. Win win - so taking into account of what other nations citizens think is not such a bad idea.

Indy · 06-30-08, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Navy Pride

Pot meet Kettle.............

OOoooo Navy! Good use of the term! I think this thread is really only here to bait other posters, but with that said you can't possibly take the stand that if you aren't american then you can't have an opinion on our elections without being a complete hypocrite. How many times have these same people make comments about other countries and bitch about how they are run or the decisions they make?

All things aside though, +1 to Navy for the pot meet kettle comment.

PeteEU · 07-01-08, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

Q: But you’ve said troops should be withdrawn (from Iraq).

A: No, no, I’ve never said troops should be withdrawn.

http://www.youtube.com/v/2kFrFIFizkU

Very interesting, and a bit hmmmm.

Do you know when this interview was and what came after what was shown?

And do you have more policy flip flops?