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Old 06-22-08, 10:59 PM   #11 (permalink)
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A young black kid, who grew up in Chicago's South Side, felt out of place at one of the richest white-majority universities in the country? Say it ain't so. What is next? Young mothers might get depression after giving birth?
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Old 06-22-08, 11:04 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Ironically, I am reminded of Rick Bragg's experience at Harvard, as documented in his memoir.
He's a pulitzer-prize-winning journalist without any formal education, raised on welfare in rural Mississippi, in abject poverty, by a beleaguered single mother.

Despite all this, he was a really talented writer, and through a series of near-miraculous lucky breaks, he got a job as a sports reporter for the local rag and began a meteoric trajectory to becoming, within a few short years, a Pulitzer prize-winning journalist and author, first in Miami and then in New York.

Anyway, at some point Harvard called him up and offered him... I dunno, a teaching fellowship or something. He would get to come and live in a dorm for six months, attend any classes he wanted, and give lectures and seminars about journalism. At the end of this, he'd be issued some sort of honorary college degree.

His account of his tenure at harvard was comical in the extreme. It included getting into a fist-fight with some stodgy academic who replied, devastatingly, in response to one of Bragg's political opinions, "You embarrass yourself."
("Oh yeah?" Bragg allegedly replied. "Well how about if I drag you outside and kick your ass, then?")
But anyway, his feelings of alienation and inadequacy in that milieu might have been similar to the experience Michelle Obama describes.
Except he was white.
Class is nearly as divisive a force as race.

Upon reading this memoir, I didn't think Rick Bragg particularly wanted me to 'feel sorry for his plight". I didn't feel any pressure from him to do anything about it.
He was just saying.
And michelle Obama is just saying.
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Ironically, I am reminded of Rick Bragg's experience at Harvard, as documented in his memoir.
He's a pulitzer-prize-winning journalist without any formal education, raised on welfare in rural Mississippi, in abject poverty, by a beleaguered single mother.

Despite all this, he was a really talented writer, and through a series of near-miraculous lucky breaks, he got a job as a sports reporter for the local rag and began a meteoric trajectory to becoming, within a few short years, a Pulitzer prize-winning journalist and author, first in Miami and then in New York.

Anyway, at some point Harvard called him up and offered him... I dunno, a teaching fellowship or something. He would get to come and live in a dorm for six months, attend any classes he wanted, and give lectures and seminars about journalism. At the end of this, he'd be issued some sort of honorary college degree.

His account of his tenure at harvard was comical in the extreme. It included getting into a fist-fight with some stodgy academic who replied, devastatingly, in response to one of Bragg's political opinions, "You embarrass yourself."
("Oh yeah?" Bragg allegedly replied. "Well how about if I drag you outside and kick your ass, then?")
But anyway, his feelings of alienation and inadequacy in that milieu might have been similar to the experience Michelle Obama describes.
Except he was white.
Class is nearly as divisive a force as race.

Upon reading this memoir, I didn't think Rick Bragg particularly wanted me to 'feel sorry for his plight". I didn't feel any pressure from him to do anything about it.
He was just saying.
And michelle Obama is just saying.
Are you saying people can feel alien in a place because of class, race or any other x factor? Oh God no. The end of the world is near! Lord forbid any of us ever felt out of place
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Obama fathered two black children!
What?!? That's it, I'll never vote for him now. I'm surprised Michelle stayed with him after that scandal.
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Re: Michelle Obamas Princeston thesis Educated Blacks and the black community

I feel out of place every time I visit a Walmart. Would make a great place to take a political science class to on field trip to show the effects of welfare on a community.

And how come half the time the people in front of me in the overly long lines (can't they get enough cashiers at minimum wage?) are having a conversation about their last CPS visits so casually?
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This is interesting though quite dribble like reading and my reveal the thinking of Americas potential next 1st lady.

"my experiences at princeton have made me far more aware of my blackness than ever before.I have found that at princeton no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my white professors and classmates try to be toward me,i sometimes feel like a visitor on campus;as if i dont really belong.Regardless of the circumstances underwhich I interact with whites at princeston,it often seems as if, to them,I will always be a black first and student second"

This is interesting because for me the term "Interact with whites" seems like someone talking about talking to aliens and also she is making assumptions based purely on emotions without providing any evidence.


"In an individual's lifetime, it is necessary that the individual focus his/her interests on benefiting a limited number of things at a time because its impossible to help everyone and everthing at the same time."

So what group of people is it she is talking about here?

You can read through it yourself it seems quite clear to me she has of view of white people being almost a different species and if the same thesis was proposed from the reverse point of view it would be regarded racist.

Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community
Well hell then, that makes her black enough for the both of them.

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