Democrats release new McCain ad. - Page 4

Rightwing86 · 06-07-08, 11:51 PM

Hatuey call what i stated as "some call for patriotism" but i just view it as a way forward passed all this political bull**** that fans the flames and allows bipartison bickering to continue on a rampage. That's why I posted, I am sorry to offend you.

ladyt28 · 06-08-08, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by The silenced majority

Why don't you get your facts straight?

Conservatives are hardly lining up in lock-step behind McCain.

Check the forum thread history before making indictments.

So if McCain isn't your candidate as a conservative, who is?

ladyt28 · 06-08-08, 12:03 AM

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Hi, you're new here, so I'm going to be nice and assume you just haven't read things.

McCain isn't "My candidate". I'm not a fan, nor am I supporting McCain.

Nor am I "upset" by the Ad. I think its an excellent ad to be honest.

What I'm laughing at is the hypocracy of many of the liberals who tout out the "fear mongering" card when republicans also say factual things such as "Hamas endorsed Obama", "Obama would like to have talks with terrorist supporters like Ahmadinejad" stating that they're trying to imply Obama is a terrorist.

I agree with you hautey on those things being Fear mongering type things. But there have been times in the past where Republican ad's or statements that may be "fear" motivated speak facts that point out something legitimate but people on the left try to paint it that they're trying to "Convince" people that if we vote in a liberal we'll get hit, or that obama is a terrorist in the subtext of the message.

I apologize - I phrased my response poorly and didn't mean to get personal with you like that.

Hatuey · 06-08-08, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Redress

If the add had stopped at showing all the lobbyists that McCain has working for him, you would be 100 % right(and it should, it would be less controversial, and would not generate any potential negative backlash). Unfortunately, the add does go on, and makes a point of who the lobbyists had worked for, with scary images and music. None of that was really germaine to the point that McCain hires a bunch of lobbyists.

So the ad showed who his aids have worked for. If what you gather from that is McCain secretly supports any of those people his employees work for you're an idiot. It makes the point that McCain is hiring the very people he claims to oppose and then shows examples of just who his employees work for. Nothing more nothing less.

Redress · 06-08-08, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatuey

So the ad showed who his aids have worked for. If what you gather from that is McCain secretly supports any of those people his employees work for you're an idiot. It makes the point that McCain is hiring the very people he claims to oppose and then shows examples of just who his employees work for. Nothing more nothing less.

I'm sorry, but it really does look, when watching it, that it goes a bit further than that. It's the music, with the images, and the offpoint who they worked for part, all taken together as a package. Without that, it is a great add.

If they had made the add to just show the hypocricy, it would have been a better add. That is a good point, it's effective, it paints a negative picture of McCain in a totally fair way.

jallman · 07-15-08, 02:57 AM

Now if the Republicans make a spooky music video with images of Obama's most stressed out faces and pictures of Nadhami Auchi, Allison Davis, M. Marzook, Farrakhan, James Meek, Odinga, Rashid Khali, and William Ayers and Jeremiah Wright with a caption "You Can Tell Alot About A Man By The Company He Keeps", I don't one to hear the first bit of bitching from the Obamaheads.

galenrox · 07-15-08, 04:15 AM

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What fear mongering was done? The ad talked about 3rd rate dictators and McCain's friends/campaign employees representing oppressive governments while McCain claims that he's going to take them on. Bit of a dishonest lie on your part isn't it? The ad says nothing about fear at all. It addresses something which has been central to McCain's campaigning.

Right, fading through various dictators and then fading to McCain is WAY different than fading from Max Cleveland to Osama Bin Laden. If this isn't fear mongering then there's no such thing as fear mongering.

Indy · 07-15-08, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by galenrox

Right, fading through various dictators and then fading to McCain is WAY different than fading from Max Cleveland to Osama Bin Laden. If this isn't fear mongering then there's no such thing as fear mongering.

Couldn't agree with you more Galenrox. It's starting to become frustrating interacting with some members of this forum as the election draws a bit closer.

the makeout hobo · 07-15-08, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Redress

If the add had stopped at showing all the lobbyists that McCain has working for him, you would be 100 % right(and it should, it would be less controversial, and would not generate any potential negative backlash). Unfortunately, the add does go on, and makes a point of who the lobbyists had worked for, with scary images and music. None of that was really germaine to the point that McCain hires a bunch of lobbyists.

To be fair, it does matter who his lobbyists have lobbied for. I mean, I think most people would agree there's a bit of a difference between lobbying for the people in the ad and a person who lobbies for more money for animal shelters. Who they lobbied for does matter.

the makeout hobo · 07-15-08, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by galenrox

Right, fading through various dictators and then fading to McCain is WAY different than fading from Max Cleveland to Osama Bin Laden. If this isn't fear mongering then there's no such thing as fear mongering.

Thought to be fair, McCain's staffers actually did lobby for those people, while Max Clelend never had anything to do with Obama. There is a little thing called honesty there.