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Old 03-30-08, 08:29 AM   #1 (permalink)
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John McCain and the Military Draft-Would U die 4 America?

John McCain is a flip flopper on the military draft issue. Depending on who is standing before him, and if they are in agreement with him or not, McCain will one minute adamantly state that he is against reinstating the military draft-and another minute state that he is all for it.

In 2001, John McCain co-sponsored the "Call to Service Act" along with democratic Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana. McCain's reasoning behind this was that, "the all-volunteer military is looking for lifers-not those who might want to serve for shorter tours of duty."

The "Call to Service Act" would have substantially increased the size of the so called "citizen soldier" in the National Civilian Community Corps (NCCC). And, John McCain believes that by increasing the size of the NCCC, the American military would be increased without outright reinstating the military draft. In other words, slyly implementing a "back door draft" under the guise of what appeared to be "volunteer" service with Americorps-which is a federal program launched by former president Bill Clinton back in 1993, and is a domestic version of the Peace Corps, which builds houses around the world, and educates the poor around the world. The NCCC is a branch of AmeriCorps.
John McCain told the Washington monthly that "the NCCC is a service program "consciously" structured along military lines. NCCC members not only wear uniforms and work in teams, they also live together in barracks on former military bases and are deployed to service projects far from their home base."

The Call To Service Act offered the citizen soldier a shorter version of military service in exchange for 18 months each of active military service, and reserve service. The citizen soldier would receive benefits similar to the GI Bill. McCain reasoned that a shorter version of military service options would attract more college students-specifically those wanting to receive the benefits of federal financial aid. McCain stated, "There should be more focus on meeting national goals and on making short-term service, both civilian and military, a rite of passage for young Americans."
McCain's 2001 Call To Service Act never made it out of committee.
In August of 1999, John McCains voted to raise military pay in in order to avoid the military draft, however, on July 13, 2007, McCain gave a speech to the Concord Chamber of Commerce concerning defeating our enemies. This is what John McCain said about military service:
"I am glad to see that troop increases are in the pipeline but current plans are not enough. As president, I would bring the army and Marines from the currently planned level of roughly 750,000 to 900,000. This will cost real money, some $15 billion annually, but it will not require a draft any more than similar levels did in the 1980s. It is vitally important for the next president to issue a call to service, to summon the young men and women of America to defend their country and its noble ideals. I am confident that this generation will answer the summons just as so many of us did in previous generations." John McCain is a Vietnam war veteran-and Vietnam was a draft war. Although John McCain has been vague about reinstating the draft-this will be his intentions if he is elected-even if he does it under the guise of another "Call to Service Act", or something similar.
McCain adamantly states that Iran and other Arab nations are a direct threat to the American government's support of Israel, and our naton's economic, military, and strategic interests in the Middle East, and around the world.

1. With all that has been said, if you are between the ages of 18 and 44 years old, do you think that you are obligated to serve this country by way of a back door draft, or a direct military draft?

2. Do you think Iran and other Arab countries are are strong threat to America and American interests around the world-such as Israel? If you think Iran and other Arabs are a strong threat to American interests around the world, and Israel-would you be willing to go to the Middle East-or where ever the American government needs you? WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO DIE FOR AMERICA? WHY OR WHY NOT-AND BE HONEST.

3. Do you think war and killing is patriotic, and a right of passage for young Americans?

4. Do you think that the president, senators, and congressman/women who have children who are between the ages of 18 and 44 should lead by example by drafting their own children into the military first, or sending their own children into combat zones first under a back door draft, so that they can lead by example, and practice what they preach to the rest of us?

5. And, for everyone else-Do you think John McCain is politically old school, and a war mongerer? Do you think that diplomacy should be used instead of war, or do you think a combinaton of diplomacy and war should be used in dealing with Iran and all of America's other enemies?

6. Do you think John McCain would be just an older version of George W. Bush-possibly worse if he is elected president? Or, do you think John McCain would make a good president? And, should John McCain's military service be a required standard for future candidates running for president? Why or why not-and be honest.

7. Do you really think that Iran is really all that much of a threat to America or Israel, or is this just another cover that the American government is using to validate the use of force on foreign nations in order to obtain what they want?

8. And, with the cost of high gas prices, job losses, and the morgage and corporate meltdowns in America-do you really think the American people have benefitted from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Do you really think we would benefit from a war with Iran-or just have more quagmire wars, and an increase in dead American soldiers? Do you think that Israel will eventually be destroyed regardless of how much support America gives Israel, or regardless of what Ameirca does? Be Honest.
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Old 03-30-08, 09:18 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: John McCain and the Military Draft-Would U die 4 America?

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1. With all that has been said, if you are between the ages of 18 and 44 years old, do you think that you are obligated to serve this country by way of a back door draft, or a direct military draft?
No. Not only does Federal Prison not scare me, but i would refuse to join even if under pressure of firing squad. And while i would not want to die or kill for a illegitimate purpose, i would die myself long before I would take someone else's life.
If it was a real war for a good purpose such as WW2, I would serve if drafted and if i was younger I might even join.
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2. Do you think Iran and other Arab countries are are strong threat to America and American interests around the world-such as Israel? If you think Iran and other Arabs are a strong threat to American interests around the world, and Israel-would you be willing to go to the Middle East-or where ever the American government needs you? WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO DIE FOR AMERICA? WHY OR WHY NOT-AND BE HONEST.
No. I would not die to support global conquest.
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3. Do you think war and killing is patriotic, and a right of passage for young Americans?
There is nothing patriotic about pre-emptive attacks or wars that are against our Nation's long term interests.
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4. Do you think that the president, senators, and congressman/women who have children who are between the ages of 18 and 44 should lead by example by drafting their own children into the military first, or sending their own children into combat zones first under a back door draft, so that they can lead by example, and practice what they preach to the rest of us?
For political wars and wars of aggression... sounds good. But i would rather it be "ONLY" the politicians families.
If it was a real war for a real cause, then this would start to seem real silly, real fast though.
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5. And, for everyone else-Do you think John McCain is politically old school, and a war mongerer? Do you think that diplomacy should be used instead of war, or do you think a combinaton of diplomacy and war should be used in dealing with Iran and all of America's other enemies?
War with Iran is not an option. Iran is much more powerful than Iraq. They have the ability to halt oil flow around the world by attacking oil targets.
They have the ability to hit our eastern seaboard with missiles.
There is also nothing to "deal" about.
We can not have a nuclear armed Iran. And the only way of reaching that goal is to have someone in office that is capable of diplomacy. Not only diplomacy with Iran but with the world. Because it will require both pressure from the world AND U.S. negotiations and sacrifices to accomplish what is needed.
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6. Do you think John McCain would be just an older version of George W. Bush-possibly worse if he is elected president? Or, do you think John McCain would make a good president? And, should John McCain's military service be a required standard for future candidates running for president? Why or why not-and be honest.
I think McCain is considerably worse than Bush for several reasons.
Bush is bad simply because his intelligence is lower than the average American and because he is mostly controlled by big business with a variety of warped agendas.
But McCain is a loose cannon who runs off emotion and thinks the military is the answer for everything.
His temper is one of the worst I have seen. His age makes him out of touch with reality.
I am unsure of the second part question on Military backgrounds.
But I would be closer to banning anyone from the military from running for President than I would be for requiring it.
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7. Do you really think that Iran is really all that much of a threat to America or Israel, or is this just another cover that the American government is using to validate the use of force on foreign nations in order to obtain what they want?
Yes, I do think Iran is a threat if they were to acquire Nuclear Weapons.
And since war is simply not an option, we are going to have to do a hell of a lot better than Bush/McCain if we are to get through this.
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8. And, with the cost of high gas prices, job losses, and the morgage and corporate meltdowns in America-do you really think the American people have benefitted from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Do you really think we would benefit from a war with Iran-or just have more quagmire wars, and an increase in dead American soldiers? Do you think that Israel will eventually be destroyed regardless of how much support America gives Israel, or regardless of what Ameirca does? Be Honest.
Of course we have not benefited.
But i care infinitely more about the 1,000,000 deaths we have caused and the suffering than i care about what benefits us or doesn't.
Our economy is not worth even 1 human life from any country.

Israel? Israel has a nuclear arsenal and will use it.
They will not fall and do not need our help.
They already beat down the united Arab Military once before on their own.
Israel can only fall to a nuclear strike and because they are small, it would not take many nukes.
All the more reason why McCain simply can not be our Leader and why we must have a Leader that is respected around the world and capable of diplomacy.
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Re: John McCain and the Military Draft-Would U die 4 America?

It all depends....if its a legitimate war then yes.

However, we should NEVER ask our soldiers to risk their lives fighting battles based on lies, deceit and manipulation.

Our leaders owe us...at the very least.....responsibility and accountability when they ask our soldiers to put their lives and limbs on the line.

Sadly....that is what has been missing for the last 7 1/2 years in this country.
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I plan to do my very level best to talk both of my children out of joining the service. I consider the 10 years I served as the greatest regret of my life.
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Re: John McCain and the Military Draft-Would U die 4 America?

To my understanding a draft cant get through without the full support of the military and as far as I know they dont want it. Its simple management; people that want to be their are easier to train and work with than people that are forced to be there. Although I have also read that if a third war were to surface a draft would be needed.
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