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What about Hillary?

ReverendHellh0und

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One thing I find amazing is that Hillary is essentially non existant in the news these days. I also find it interesting that here on DP there is hard core support for Obama yet next to none for Hillary. Do you all think this is reflective of the nation or is who people support here on dp vastly different than those around this great land?


Further how is it that Obama has such a passionate following yet Hillary who has a very high disaproval rating still so close to Obama for the nomination?



What say you?
 
In my opinion, Hillary has shown very little character worth supporting as of late. As she started off with a relatively poor reputation from the onset, and has been in attack mode lately, for me at least she has not shown herself worthy of support. Added to this is my own perception that she is likely to be an ineffective uniting force...she does not get my vote.
 
Clinton would be the the best choice.

I certainly agree that Obama fans are more passionate. But obviously millions think Clinton would be the best choice. I have on several ocassions stated my preference for Clinton. I like Obama, but at this point I'd give the nod to Clinton. Here's why:

Clinton IMO brings with her a greater knowledge of the details of major issues the nation faces, as well as a perspective of the operational process of the WH with which she has had experience. She's smart (so is Obama) and tough and articulate, if not quite the orator Obama is (few are).

Clinton's policies are similar to Obama's, but a little more conservative. IMO fiscal responsibility and adressing the huge deficits and $9+ trillion debt is one of the most important issues facing our country, and Clinton gives this higher priority than the other candidates, to the extent they give it priortiy at all. Plus when her husband was president the nation balanced its budget, and I think Clinton gives us the best hope of reaching that very important goal again (thought I admit I am not entirely optimistic in any case).

Clinton also brings more foreign policy knowledge and maturity than Obama and McCain. I don't fault Clinton for given the president authority to use force in Oct 2002, like others do, and IMO Obama unfairly mischaracterizes that as a vote for the war, when it was not. In hindsight we can see how dishonest the Bush Administration is; at that time it was not entirely imprudent.

I like the idea of Bill Clinton have a significant role. He was without a doubt, whether you want to attribute to luck or not, one of the most successful post war presidents. He is very popular and well liked internationally, and sending him out as America's new good will ambassador would go a long way towards repairing some of the tremendous damage the Bush administration has done to America's standing in the world. And in general, I think his counsel is a positive thing; it doesn't hurt IMO to have a Rhodes Scholar at the top of the decision making process again.

Finally, the Clintons have been examined and analyzed every which way including a $60 million investigation into every thing they ever did in their lives, which yielded only the fact Clinton got a blowjob he tried to hide.
There is not much that can be said about them except to regurgite old crap and fabricate history like folks saying "Clinton is a convicted felon" and bullshit like that which is easily disproved.

Obama is fresh meat, and open game to the right wing smear machine, as recent events have shown.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
One thing I find amazing is that Hillary is essentially non existant in the news these days. I also find it interesting that here on DP there is hard core support for Obama yet next to none for Hillary. Do you all think this is reflective of the nation or is who people support here on dp vastly different than those around this great land?


Further how is it that Obama has such a passionate following yet Hillary who has a very high disaproval rating still so close to Obama for the nomination?



What say you?
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That is and easy one..........Obama is a bigger liberal and liberals vote in the primaries........
 
I think it is that Obama had less negative baggage than Hillary. I have to tell you Reverend some of the other boards that Im on, Hillary supporters are pretty vile. There is really no difference between the two except that Obama is a fresh face.
 
chevydriver1123 said:
I think it is that Obama had less negative baggage than Hillary. I have to tell you Reverend some of the other boards that Im on, Hillary supporters are pretty vile. There is really no difference between the two except that Obama is a fresh face.
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Perhaps. What worries me about Obama is what else is may be out there, whether real or invented.
 
Re: What are you talking about?

Lachean said:
Bigger liberal how? By which policies?
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By a non partisan think tank who said Obama voted 0% of the time Conservative wheras Hillary vote 9% Conservative.....That makes Obama the biggest Liberal........Sorry to burst your bubble about your boy........;)
 
Re: What are you talking about?

Navy Pride said:
By a non partisan think tank who said Obama voted 0% of the time Conservative wheras Hillary vote 9% Conservative.....That makes Obama the biggest Liberal........
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Source?

Navy Pride said:
Sorry to burst your bubble about your boy........;)
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What bubble? The straw man you built up for me? Believe me, its much easier that you dispose of them rather than me trying to address them.

You lack the capacity to burst any of my bubbles.
 
Re: What are you talking about?

Lachean said:
Source?



What bubble? The straw man you built up for me? Believe me, its much easier that you dispose of them rather than me trying to address them.

You lack the capacity to burst any of my bubbles.
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Liberal like you are a dime a dozen...Here is your source.next time do your own homework.........I am busy fighting libs like you in 3 or 4 threads now and don't have time for this tripe..........


NATIONAL JOURNAL: Obama: Most Liberal Senator in 2007 (01/31/2008)

Obama: Most Liberal Senator In 2007


Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was the most liberal senator in 2007, according to National Journal's 27th annual vote ratings. The insurgent presidential candidate shifted further to the left last year in the run-up to the primaries, after ranking as the 16th- and 10th-most-liberal during his first two years in the Senate.


Hillary was actually 16 so sue me........


Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., the other front-runner in the Democratic presidential race, also shifted to the left last year. She ranked as the 16th-most-liberal senator in the 2007 ratings, a computer-assisted analysis that used 99 key Senate votes, selected by NJ reporters and editors, to place every senator on a liberal-to-conservative scale in each of three issue categories. In 2006, Clinton was the 32nd-most-liberal senator.
 
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Re: What are you talking about?

Navy Pride said:
Liberal like you are a dime a dozen...Here is your source.next time do your own homework.........I am busy fighting libs like you in 3 or 4 threads now and don't have time for this tripe..........
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You made a claim, thus the burden for providing a source for your claim is not "my homework."

You can call me a liberal all you want, I'm still more conservative than you, and more of a patriot than you. Names do not change reality, no matter how many times you repeat yourself.

Calling me a liberal only proves you're a moron who doesn't understand the term.

Navy Pride said:
NATIONAL JOURNAL: Obama: Most Liberal Senator in 2007 (01/31/2008)

Obama: Most Liberal Senator In 2007


Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was the most liberal senator in 2007, according to National Journal's 27th annual vote ratings. The insurgent presidential candidate shifted further to the left last year in the run-up to the primaries, after ranking as the 16th- and 10th-most-liberal during his first two years in the Senate.


Hillary was actually 16 so sue me........


Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., the other front-runner in the Democratic presidential race, also shifted to the left last year. She ranked as the 16th-most-liberal senator in the 2007 ratings, a computer-assisted analysis that used 99 key Senate votes, selected by NJ reporters and editors, to place every senator on a liberal-to-conservative scale in each of three issue categories. In 2006, Clinton was the 32nd-most-liberal senator.
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You haven't even read your source have you?"

"The policy differences between Clinton and Obama are so slight they are almost nonexistent to the average voter"

Maybe you need to do your homework before running your mouth. These "ratings" were based on the arbitrary constructs of William Schneider, they use a 1981 standard for "liberal" and are hardly objective; Your source is hardly credible.
 
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Re: Clinton would be the the best choice.

Iriemon said:
I certainly agree that Obama fans are more passionate. But obviously millions think Clinton would be the best choice. I have on several ocassions stated my preference for Clinton. I like Obama, but at this point I'd give the nod to Clinton. Here's why:

Clinton IMO brings with her a greater knowledge of the details of major issues the nation faces, as well as a perspective of the operational process of the WH with which she has had experience. She's smart (so is Obama) and tough and articulate, if not quite the orator Obama is (few are).

Clinton's policies are similar to Obama's, but a little more conservative. IMO fiscal responsibility and adressing the huge deficits and $9+ trillion debt is one of the most important issues facing our country, and Clinton gives this higher priority than the other candidates, to the extent they give it priortiy at all. Plus when her husband was president the nation balanced its budget, and I think Clinton gives us the best hope of reaching that very important goal again (thought I admit I am not entirely optimistic in any case).

Clinton also brings more foreign policy knowledge and maturity than Obama and McCain. I don't fault Clinton for given the president authority to use force in Oct 2002, like others do, and IMO Obama unfairly mischaracterizes that as a vote for the war, when it was not. In hindsight we can see how dishonest the Bush Administration is; at that time it was not entirely imprudent.

I like the idea of Bill Clinton have a significant role. He was without a doubt, whether you want to attribute to luck or not, one of the most successful post war presidents. He is very popular and well liked internationally, and sending him out as America's new good will ambassador would go a long way towards repairing some of the tremendous damage the Bush administration has done to America's standing in the world. And in general, I think his counsel is a positive thing; it doesn't hurt IMO to have a Rhodes Scholar at the top of the decision making process again.

Finally, the Clintons have been examined and analyzed every which way including a $60 million investigation into every thing they ever did in their lives, which yielded only the fact Clinton got a blowjob he tried to hide.
There is not much that can be said about them except to regurgite old crap and fabricate history like folks saying "Clinton is a convicted felon" and bullshit like that which is easily disproved.

Obama is fresh meat, and open game to the right wing smear machine, as recent events have shown.
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You make a strong argument.
 
Re: What are you talking about?

Lachean said:
You made a claim, thus the burden for providing a source for your claim is not "my homework."

You can call me a liberal all you want, I'm still more conservative than you, and more of a patriot than you. Names do not change reality, no matter how many times you repeat yourself.

Calling me a liberal only proves you're a moron who doesn't understand the term.



You haven't even read your source have you?"

"The policy differences between Clinton and Obama are so slight they are almost nonexistent to the average voter"

Maybe you need to do your homework before running your mouth. These "ratings" were based on the arbitrary constructs of William Schneider, they use a 1981 standard for "liberal" and are hardly objective; Your source is hardly credible.
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Believe what you like......That is their coting record for 2007.......I looked up Obama and I disagreed with every vote he took in 2007, you probably agreed with all of them.............

I gave you a source, just becasue you don't agree with it you don't like it.........Tough...........
 
Re: What are you talking about?

Navy Pride said:
Believe what you like......That is their coting record for 2007.......I looked up Obama and I disagreed with every vote he took in 2007, you probably agreed with all of them.............
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Actually I don't agree with any of his politics, or his "brothers keeper" stances. I have given you no indication that I have supported them. One can disagree with a man, and still defend him from mindless mischaracterizations.

You're simply too simple minded to understand that, and I don't think anyone has the words to explain to you that "you either agree with me or you're a liberal" is a false dichotomy.

Navy Pride said:
I gave you a source, just becasue you don't agree with it you don't like it.........Tough...........
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Not all sources are credible, its not my fault if you cannot understand the reason for the distinction. Given your intellectual capacity, I don't have the time or patience to explain to you the virtue of skepticism and the folly of your mindless credulousness.
 
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Re: What are you talking about?

Lachean said:
Calling me a liberal only proves you're a moron who doesn't understand the term..
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Maybe you need to do your homework before running your mouth
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You're simply too simple minded to understand that
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Given your intellectual capacity, I don't have the time or patience to explain to you the virtue of skepticism and the folly of your mindless credulousness
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WOW! The MODs must be asleep tonight. Such intolerant statements. Someone has obviously allowed their college education to go to their head.:mrgreen:
 
I thought I would revisit this thread and ask in your own words, why today do you support Hillary, specifically what issues?
 
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