Lies - Page 2

FluffyNinja · 02-28-08, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatuey

Which has what to do with the fact that Bush's slacking was well known?

- Not much of a lie when the story checks out. As opposed to Kerry. Where his own crew mates acknowledged that they might have gone into Cambodian waters.

Since when does getting hit with shrapnel equate to bubble gum wrapper? Your incredibly ignorance shows through.

According to Chief Medical Officer's reports, Kerry's "shrapnel" wound, which resulted in at least one of his Purple Hearts was "superficial" -- he was "treated and released." Basically nothing more than a scratch. Mr. "Hatuey," I served my country proudly for ten years in the United States Army. I am a trained 91- Charlie (Combat Medic) and proudly did a tour of duty in Saudi in 1991 as part of Operation Desert Storm. I have seen, and treated many brave soldiers (men and women) who were wounded by shrapnel. I once helped the surgeon dig some shrapnel out of a Marine's neck. He absolutely refused to go on Detail. We held him for two days (long enough to make sure an initial infection did not set in) and he proudly returned to his unit. This man was a TRUE soldier! By the way, the military classifies being hit by ANY unidentified piece of debris during a military action as "shrapnel." That is how it is written up in the field report (or on the Patient Tag).
Before you start to lecture someone about their "ignorance showing through," perhaps you should consider that others have actually already tread those waters.

niftydrifty · 02-28-08, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by FluffyNinja

According to Chief Medical Officer's reports, Kerry's "shrapnel" wound, which resulted in at least one of his Purple Hearts was "superficial" -- he was "treated and released." Basically nothing more than a scratch. Mr. "Hatuey," I served my country proudly for ten years in the United States Army. I am a trained 91- Charlie (Combat Medic) and proudly did a tour of duty in Saudi in 1991 as part of Operation Desert Storm. I have seen, and treated many brave soldiers (men and women) who were wounded by shrapnel. I once helped the surgeon dig some shrapnel out of a Marine's neck. He absolutely refused to go on Detail. We held him for two days (long enough to make sure an initial infection did not set in) and he proudly returned to his unit. This man was a TRUE soldier! By the way, the military classifies being hit by ANY unidentified piece of debris during a military action as "shrapnel." That is how it is written up in the field report (or on the Patient Tag).
Before you start to lecture someone about their "ignorance showing through," perhaps you should consider that others have actually already tread those waters.

as long as we're on the topic of "actually," how's about actually discussing Rove's "liberal media" propaganda? you haven't yet, once.

FluffyNinja · 02-28-08, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by niftydrifty

as long as we're on the topic of "actually," how's about actually discussing Rove's "liberal media" propaganda? you haven't yet, once.

I can't deny that Rove is an opportunist and even a media propagandist. I won't try and defend his actions either. I'm just saying that these tactics have been and will be used by BOTH sides (i.e. Carville). You should not be so hypocritical.

niftydrifty · 02-28-08, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by FluffyNinja

I can't deny that Rove is an opportunist and even a media propagandist. I won't try and defend his actions either. I'm just saying that these tactics have been and will be used by BOTH sides (i.e. Carville). You should not be so hypocritical.

oh, I see. the subject of this thread is me now.

tell you what. I'll generously respond to your non-argument by simply asking for you to post the links for all the times you have ever admitted republicans have lied.

who's hypocritical?

Ikari · 02-28-08, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by FluffyNinja

I can't deny that Rove is an opportunist and even a media propagandist. I won't try and defend his actions either. I'm just saying that these tactics have been and will be used by BOTH sides (i.e. Carville). You should not be so hypocritical.

When will people stop excusing the tyranny of one party by the tyranny of the other. Both sides do this, this is true. Both sides need to stop, and the People may just have to get involved here. We're loosing control over our government and it's partisan politics which is at the root here. Both sides should be aggressively, and endlessly pursued to root out corruption and treason.

disneydude · 02-28-08, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by FluffyNinja

I suppose James Carville was the "Shining Example" of Truth, Honesty, and Political Dignity????? Don't be so hypocritical.

Did you even read my post before engaging in your knee jerk response

I think you need to go back and read....unless that is a little too difficult for you.

Here....let me make it easy for you, you don't even need to lift a finger to go back a page, all you have to do is read:

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Originally Posted by disneydude

While I am certain that there are people on my side of the aisle that engage in similar tactics, I would not defend them either.

Smear politics are wrong, right or left

FluffyNinja · 02-28-08, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by disneydude

Did you even read my post before engaging in your knee jerk response

I think you need to go back and read....unless that is a little too difficult for you.

Here....let me make it easy for you, you don't even need to lift a finger to go back a page, all you have to do is read:

Oh yes, I read very well and what I see in your post is nothing more than a generalization - nothing specific, no specific names nor any admission of guilt on the part of ANYONE on the Democratic side of the aisle. I, on the other hand, have the both the intellect and the dignity to SPECIFICALLY admit that Karl Rove is/was a scoundrel. Ikari has probably worded it in much kinder words than I - that both sides are equally guilty of propaganda and lies and until we start to come out with specific admissions of guilt, the problem will never be remedied.
If you are so "certain" as you say in your previous post that there are people engaging in these tactics "on your side of the aisle," then let's call them out! You certainly don't have a problem naming Karl Rove. Let's hold people in both camps accountable, including (but not limited to) : James Carville, Chris Matthews, Al Franken, Michael Moore, Sean Hannity, Bill O'reilly, Larry King, Oprah Winfrey, the Reverend Jesse Jackson, and the whole lot!!!!!

niftydrifty · 02-28-08, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by FluffyNinja

Oh yes, I read very well and what I see in your post is nothing more than a generalization - nothing specific, no specific names nor any admission of guilt on the part of ANYONE on the Democratic side of the aisle. I, on the other hand, have the both the intellect and the dignity to SPECIFICALLY admit that Karl Rove is/was a scoundrel. Ikari has probably worded it in much kinder words than I - that both sides are equally guilty of propaganda and lies and until we start to come out with specific admissions of guilt, the problem will never be remedied.
If you are so "certain" as you say in your previous post that there are people engaging in these tactics "on your side of the aisle," then let's call them out! You certainly don't have a problem naming Karl Rove. Let's hold people in both camps accountable, including (but not limited to) : James Carville, Chris Matthews, Al Franken, Michael Moore, Sean Hannity, Bill O'reilly, Larry King, Oprah Winfrey, the Reverend Jesse Jackson, and the whole lot!!!!!

children, let's not make this about us. let's make it about them. so, how about if we compare lies being told about the candidates right now. who's telling them? which candidate is being lied about the most? let's get into it. are you ready to admit that it is Obama, by a mile?

FluffyNinja · 02-28-08, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by niftydrifty

children, let's not make this about us. let's make it about them. so, how about if we compare lies being told about the candidates right now. who's telling them? which candidate is being lied about the most? let's get into it. are you ready to admit that it is Obama, by a mile?

I'm not ready to admit that by a mile. McCain has been lied about so much concerning "his" views and quotes on immigration it isn't funny. Not to mention the whole "big story" about his inappropriate relationship with a female lobbyist - which is completely unsubstantiated. Perhaps we should not focus so much on the QUANTITY of lies, but rather, the QUALITY (or which side is telling the most slanderous and damaging untruths). It seems to me, the Dems are the uncontested champions of the "Low Blow."

niftydrifty · 02-28-08, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by FluffyNinja

I'm not ready to admit that by a mile. McCain has been lied about so much concerning "his" views and quotes on immigration it isn't funny. Not to mention the whole "big story" about his inappropriate relationship with a female lobbyist - which is completely unsubstantiated. Perhaps we should not focus so much on the QUANTITY of lies, but rather, the QUALITY (or which side is telling the most slanderous and damaging untruths). It seems to me, the Dems are the uncontested champions of the "Low Blow."

cool. post all the lies you can find. all of them. number them. each specific lie gets one count, no matter who's telling it. post a link to the lie and a refutation for each.

as for quality, we'll try to see about that, too.

Lies told about McCain and Obama.