Random initial thoughts on yesterday's election...

Mac77 · Nov 10, 2016

Slyfox696 said:
In a general sense.

That is completely untrue. In fact, it is the complete opposite of reality. I'm EXACTLY the type of person the political parties find most valuable. People like you, who only care about playing for a team, don't matter. They know they already have your business or don't have your business. But they don't have mine and they NEED mine. People like me are very important to the parties to become elected.

And, I don't think you understand what I've been saying. My vote is not beyond reach. That is false. My vote is up for whomever convinces me they will best represent me. Barack Obama received my vote twice (and I can state unequivocally he would have again if he had legally been allowed to run). John Kasich likely would have received my vote (if he had continued the campaign he had been running) and maybe Jeb Bush (less likely, but he certainly would have had a much better chance than either Trump or Clinton).

My vote is not beyond reach, I just have standards. It's a shame you seem to not have standards and will vote for anyone with a certain letter behind their name.

Politically I'm far more important to them than you. You're taken for granted, they try to appeal to me. I assume you vote Republican, so neither the Republican Party or Democratic party care about you. They know how you're voting so they take you for granted.

The fact you think being one of the unthinking masses means your vote is more valued than mine is not only false, it is downright laughable.

Considering the low intelligence of the typical political professional in washington these days they may spend 97% of their effort trying to please the 3% Tweeners like you.

Which is why trump will be the next president instead of jeb bush, hillary clinton or gary johnson.

Slyfox696 · Nov 11, 2016

Mac77 said:
Considering the low intelligence of the typical political professional in washington these days they may spend 97% of their effort trying to please the 3% Tweeners like you.

Which is why trump will be the next president instead of jeb bush, hillary clinton or gary johnson.

That doesn't even make sense. First of all, I see you completely ignored the fact that you are ignored by both parties, even though that apparently was important to you. Second of all, Donald Trump tried VERY hard to appeal to independent voters. In fact, one of his arguments during the primaries is that he would bring dissatisfied Democrats into the Republican fold.

Seriously, do you consider what you write before you post it? You have done nothing but post one erroneous thought after another.

Mac77 · Nov 11, 2016

Slyfox696 said:
That doesn't even make sense. First of all, I see you completely ignored the fact that you are ignored by both parties, even though that apparently was important to you. Second of all, Donald Trump tried VERY hard to appeal to independent voters. In fact, one of his arguments during the primaries is that he would bring dissatisfied Democrats into the Republican fold.

Seriously, do you consider what you write before you post it? You have done nothing but post one erroneous thought after another.

I dont think I am ignored by my party

You are the one who does not count because you voted third party or didnt vote at all.

But they want to kerp my vote for future elections

Slyfox696 · Nov 11, 2016

Mac77 said:
I dont think I am ignored by my party

Sure you are. They already have you in the fold, they don't have to appeal to you now.

You are the one who does not count because you voted third party or didnt vote at all.

I count plenty and I already told you I have voted in every other presidential election in which I was legally allowed.

I don't understand why you're having such difficulty understanding what are really very simple concepts. I can only assume it's because you care far too much about team politics.

Mac77 · Nov 11, 2016

Slyfox696 said:
Sure you are. They already have you in the fold, they don't have to appeal to you now.

I count plenty and I already told you I have voted in every other presidential election in which I was legally allowed.

I don't understand why you're having such difficulty understanding what are really very simple concepts. I can only assume it's because you care far too much about team politics.

Ok, if you think your non vote counts more than my vote I will not disturb your delusion.

But a proven voter is worth more than all the fence sitters you can find.

ThoughtEx. · Nov 11, 2016

radcen said:
Random initial thoughts on yesterday's election...

- All I can say is, he pulled it off. For good or for bad, Trump is it.

- Pollsters need some serious work.

- The Dems seriously underestimated the rural person's point-of-view and impact. They kept smugly and arrogantly proclaiming that the demographics have changed, implying a new direction, but it hasn't changed enough to suit their goals. In reality it's only changed significantly in the urban areas and around colleges. Much of the rest of the country is still greatly conservative, and I felt people in these rural areas made it a point to stand up this time and make sure their voice was heard, too.

- Reps, I believe, will get all cocky over these results, take it as a mandate (which it isn't), and basically shoot themselves in the foot. Not unlike how the Dems did so after Obama was first elected in 2008 and they controlled Congress and the WH for a couple years, then blew it. I swear the most un-self-aware entities in the world have to be political parties, but I digress.

- I do believe that the email scandal hurt Hillary more than she and the Dems know, or want to admit. True that she has been able to avoid indictment, but even if it was/is legal it was still a massively boneheaded thing to do and shows an utter lack of judgment on her part. And then on top of that she "lost" so many emails?!? Seriously? That defense, I'm sure, helped keep her from legal prosecution, but from a competency perspective it made her look completely irresponsible and unqualified for the job she was seeking.

- Trump is still a buffoon. But, he's going to be President Buffoon, and as such his office (if not him) deserves the benefit of the doubt now and we *should be* working toward common goals. Will he get get that? Meh, probably not, but petty partisanship of the past is a poor excuse for continuing said pettiness. If you/we can clamor for party unity, we should have no reservations clamoring for national and societal unity, as well... but I won't hold my breath. Ok, off my Pollyanna soapbox.

Sums up my thoughts almost exactly.

Slyfox696 · Nov 11, 2016

Mac77 said:
Ok, if you think your non vote counts more than my vote I will not disturb your delusion.

It's like you cannot just stick to one topic, you have to constantly respond with something related to a different topic than what I say. Stick to one topic.

I didn't say my non vote counts more, I said I'm the type of person the parties try much harder to recruit. I said they take you for granted. Please learn how a discussion works.

But a proven voter is worth more than all the fence sitters you can find.

Voting for someone because of the letter behind their name makes one a simpleton and is a far more dangerous threat to our democracy than any fence sitter. You should vote for someone who represents you. Voting for someone because they have a R or D behind their name takes absolutely zero thinking ability and makes a person nothing more than a sheep.

Mac77 · Nov 11, 2016

Slyfox696 said:
It's like you cannot just stick to one topic, you have to constantly respond with something related to a different topic than what I say. Stick to one topic.

I didn't say my non vote counts more, I said I'm the type of person the parties try much harder to recruit. I said they take you for granted. Please learn how a discussion works.

Voting for someone because of the letter behind their name makes one a simpleton and is a far more dangerous threat to our democracy than any fence sitter. You should vote for someone who represents you. Voting for someone because they have a R or D behind their name takes absolutely zero thinking ability and makes a person nothing more than a sheep.

Yes it happens every two to four years as brainless republican consultants have republican politicians chasing their tail in a vain attempt to attract Tweeners.

But trump ignored the professional consultants and he won an election that the tail chasers would have lost

Slyfox696 · Nov 11, 2016

Mac77 said:
Yes it happens every two to four years as brainless republican consultants have republican politicians chasing their tail in a vain attempt to attract Tweeners.

But trump ignored the professional consultants and he won an election that the tail chasers would have lost

And as I told you before, one of the Trump's main platforms during the primaries was that he'd attract Democrats. He constantly stated he was going to turn blue states red. Do you pay any attention to the election at all? Trump did EXACTLY what you seem to be insinuating he didn't.

Mac77 · Nov 11, 2016

Slyfox696 said:
And as I told you before,

one of the Trump's main platforms during the primaries was that he'd attract Democrats. He constantly stated he was going to turn blue states red.

Do you pay any attention to the election at all? Trump did EXACTLY what you seem to be insinuating he didn't.

trump did pick up former democrats.

He turned at least three blue states red that I can think of off the top of my head.

Moderate Right · Nov 12, 2016

JC Callender said:
You seem to believe that campaigns for president are usually pleasant experiences where both parties treat one another with class and dignity. When Trump talks about illegals and the criminal element they send over and you accuse him of hating all Mexicans and in turn accuse him of racism, that's not his fault. That's you branding someone something horrible because you think it will score you political points and it's reprehensible. When out of the thousands of hours of tape that's probably laying around on Trump because he's been in the public eye his whole life you find a casual conversation where Trump says he can "grab them by the *****..." and you accuse him of sexual assault but purposely leave out the part where he says "they let you do it...", once again you're taking a guy who speaks roughly and inarticulately and attempting to capitalize on it by making it much, much worse than what it was. Instead of simply believing that Trump is talking about how a lot of women will throw themselves sexually at a rich and famous guy like himself, you assume that he literally walks around all day grabbing women by their crotches. :roll: Accusing Trump voters of sexism would make less sense than accusing Bill Clinton supporters of sexism if he ran against a female. Look at the list of his accusers, yet for some reason leftists seem to think he's a nice chap for the same or worse than Trump. And I'm wondering what Trump social policies strictly favor men over women or denigrate the dignity of women? Possibly his two most important supporters were Ivanka Trump and Kellyanne Conway. And I'm sexist for voting for Trump?

I've said it before, Trump is a crass NYC builder, not a career politician, and many leftists and some righties have attempted to capitalize on his crude, inarticulate, and politically incorrect way of speaking to make him out to be much worse than he actually is and that attempt to constantly brand someone as a "racist, sexist, hate monger, etc..." is more distasteful than any words or actions Trump has put out there.

Btw, do you believe Trump hates all disabled people because he made fun of a disabled guy? If not, then call it what it is...a crude comment coming from a guy running for office who's not a career politician used to appeasing people all day long for votes and favors.

Good post! And oh so true.

Mac77 · Nov 14, 2016

Slyfox696 said:
And as I told you before, one of the Trump's main platforms during the primaries was that he'd attract Democrats. He constantly stated he was going to turn blue states red. Do you pay any attention to the election at all? Trump did EXACTLY what you seem to be insinuating he didn't.

That election is in the books and trump didnt need your vote

Which he could never get even if he did backflips just for you

And he is smart enough not to try.

Which is my point.

Tweeners let history pass you by and that makes you irelevant in the next election

Slyfox696 · Nov 14, 2016

Mac77 said:
That election is in the books and trump didnt need your vote

Never said he did. Thanks for the irrelevant comment.

Which he could never get even if he did backflips just for you

He could have had he not gone out of his way to not insult anyone who wasn't a white Christian male. :shrug:

A little basic human decency would likely have gotten him my vote. As I said, I probably would have voted for John Kasich and that was the theme of his campaign.

Your assertion someone can't get my vote is false. Just like so many other things in this thread, you don't seem to have any understanding of what is being discussed.

And he is smart enough not to try. Which is my point.

And my point is you don't know what you're talking about and don't care to understand because you're just a party cheerleader.

Tweeners let history pass you by and that makes you irelevant in the next election

Once more you demonstrate no understanding of what I said.

Mac77 · Nov 14, 2016

Slyfox696 said:
Never said he did. Thanks for the irrelevant comment.

He could have had he not gone out of his way to not insult anyone who wasn't a white Christian male. :shrug:

A little basic human decency would likely have gotten him my vote. As I said, I probably would have voted for John Kasich and that was the theme of his campaign.

Your assertion someone can't get my vote is false. Just like so many other things in this thread, you don't seem to have any understanding of what is being discussed.

And my point is you don't know what you're talking about and don't care to understand because you're just a party cheerleader.

Once more you demonstrate no understanding of what I said.

John Kadich is a loser

If trump became kasich just to please you he would have lost millions of other votes which would have made him a loser too.

Slyfox696 · Nov 14, 2016

Mac77 said:
John Kadich is a loser

Given the fact he's governor of Ohio, he's obviously not a loser. He just didn't win the Republican primary.

If trump became kasich just to please you he would have lost millions of other votes which would have made him a loser too.

I didn't ask Trump to become Kasich, I simply said if Trump had shown basic human decency, he could have won my vote.

Seriously, do you bother comprehending anything before you reply?

Mac77 · Nov 14, 2016

Slyfox696 said:
Given the fact he's governor of Ohio, he's obviously not a loser. He just didn't win the Republican primary.

I didn't ask Trump to become Kasich, I simply said if Trump had shown basic human decency, he could have won my vote.

Seriously, do you bother comprehending anything before you reply?

You gave kasich as your example

But you fail to notice that kasich drew no support in the primary from anyone except fatcat republican money donors

I bet you didnt even vote for him

Slyfox696 · Nov 14, 2016

Mac77 said:
You gave kasich as your example

Yes, I gave an example of someone who ran a campaign based on being a decent person to show I would have no problem voting for someone who was a decent person.

Do you even know what we're discussing?

Mac77 · Nov 14, 2016

Slyfox696 said:
Yes, I gave an example of someone who ran a campaign based on being a decent person to show I would have no problem voting for someone who was a decent person.

Do you even know what we're discussing?

Is kasich a man of his word?

At yhe debate he pledged to support whoever the republican voters chose

And then reneged on his pledge after the voters didnt choose him

Slyfox696 · Nov 14, 2016

Mac77 said:
Is kasich a man of his word? At yhe debate he pledged to support whoever the republican voters chose And then reneged on his pledge after the voters didnt choose him

Yet another thing which has nothing to do with my position. Please respond to what I say, rather than just vomiting rhetoric.

Mac77 · Nov 14, 2016

Slyfox696 said:
Yet another thing which has nothing to do with my position. Please respond to what I say, rather than just vomiting rhetoric.

You liked kasich - but may not have voted for him in the primary - because he spoke softly like a liberal news announcer on NPR

I get it

Slyfox696 · Nov 14, 2016

Mac77 said:
You liked kasich - but may not have voted for him in the primary - because he spoke softly like a liberal news announcer on NPR

I get it

I liked Kasich because she showed basic human decency. Neither Trump nor Clinton could say the same.

You don't even know what you're talking about anymore, you're just vomiting rhetoric. It's really simple. One's party doesn't care about one, so long as one continues to vote for the letter. Voting for a letter makes a person a sheep. Having the ability to think for oneself is far more important than blindly following a crowd.

Not voting for someone I don't want to represent me makes me far better than simply voting for someone because of the letter behind their name.

Mac77 · Nov 14, 2016

Slyfox696 said:
I liked Kasich because she showed basic human decency. Neither Trump nor Clinton could say the same.

You don't even know what you're talking about anymore, you're just vomiting rhetoric. It's really simple. One's party doesn't care about one, so long as one continues to vote for the letter. Voting for a letter makes a person a sheep. Having the ability to think for oneself is far more important than blindly following a crowd.

Not voting for someone I don't want to represent me makes me far better than simply voting for someone because of the letter behind their name.

Kasich was wrong on important issues like immigration and a sore loser.

He may survive in ohio but he is finished on the national stage

Moderate Right · Nov 14, 2016

Mac77 said:
John Kadich is a loser

If trump became kasich just to please you he would have lost millions of other votes which would have made him a loser too.

Not so sure that is true. About every poll showed Kasich as the best chance to beat any of the Democratic candidates.

Mac77 · Nov 14, 2016

Moderate Right said:
Not so sure that is true. About every poll showed Kasich as the best chance to beat any of the Democratic candidates.

Were those the same polls that gave trump little or no chance to win?