• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Somebody explain to me the Clinton Foundation scandal

Gaea

Gaea

DP Veteran
Joined
Aug 21, 2016
Messages
1,087
Reaction score
475
Location
Bay Area, CA
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Liberal
I don't get it. What exactly did HRC do that was so egregious?

Here's an article about the Clinton Foundation scandal.

Clinton Foundation Official Requests State Lunch Invitation, Special Seating for Foundation Allies, Emails Show - ABC News

A series of newly released State Department emails obtained by ABC News offers fresh insight on direct contact between the Clinton Foundation and Hillary Clinton's inner circle while she was secretary of state.

The emails – released as part of a public records lawsuit by conservative group Citizens United and shared exclusively with ABC — reveal what the group claims is new evidence foundation allies received special treatment. [Read the emails here.]

In one December 2010 email chain with Clinton's closest aide, Huma Abedin, then–top Clinton Foundation official Doug Band offers names for a State Department lunch with Chinese President Hu Jintao scheduled for January 2011.

On the list were three executives from organizations that have donated millions of dollars to the Clinton Foundation: Bob McCann, the then–president of wealth management at UBS; Judith Rodin, the president of the Rockefeller Foundation; and Hikmet Ersek, the CEO of Western Union.

According to the foundation website, the UBS Wealth Management USA has contributed $500,000 to $1 million to the foundation, the Rockefeller Foundation has given $10 million to $25 million, and Western Union and its foundation have contributed $1 million to $5 million.

Nearly two weeks later, Band followed up on email, requesting Rodin be seated at Vice President Joe Biden’s table. "I'll ask," Abedin replied.
Click to expand...

Wow, so an official for the Clinton Foundation asked Hillary Clinton to give special treatment to executives who donated to the foundation. Sounds like pay-to-play. That doesn't look good if she actually complied with the request.

A representative for McCann told ABC News he did not attend the lunch, while a representative for Ersek said he doesn't have a record of the event. Rodin's office did not immediately return a request for comment.
Click to expand...

Okay...... So, they did not attend. Meaning Hillary Clinton didn't comply with the unscrupulous request. Surely there's something more sinister that's happening?

In January 2011, Band at the foundation forwarded an email to Abedin on behalf of Gerardo Werthein, a South American businessman who has donated more than $1 million to the foundation, according to its website.

Calling Werthein a "great friend" and "big supporter," Band asked Abedin to deliver a message to the U.S. ambassador to Malta on behalf of Werthein.
Click to expand...

Wow, so once again, this Clinton Foundation official is asking for favors for big Foundation donors. If the message was passed on to the ambassador, that wouldn't look good at all.

Abedin passed on Band's message to another State Department official asking for delivery to the ambassador's assistant, writing, "Just want to pass along for info. No need for action."
Click to expand...

Okay... so that didn't go anywhere either. Maybe they have something more incriminating buried deeper in the article.

A June 2009 email from Band passed on thanks from a Tim Collins to Abedin for taking him to "some event." Abedin says, "We invited him into speech in Cairo." ABC News could not confirm the identity of the Collins who attended the speech. The Clinton Foundation website lists a Timothy Collins, the founder of the investment firm Ripplewood Advisors, as a major donor.
Click to expand...

So... a Clinton Foundation donor was invited to attend a speech. Surely there's something more that happened?

"After more than two years of Freedom of Information Act requests and lengthy litigation, the truth is finally coming out," said David Bossie, the president of Citizens United, in a statement. "Hillary Clinton's senior staff at the State Department routinely worked with the Clinton Foundation to reward big donors with special access and favors for four years."
Click to expand...

Wait... what? What did I miss?

The entire content of this article was
- CF official asks Abedin to send CF donors to lunch with the Chinese president and Joe Biden. They didn't attend.
- CF official asks Abedin to pass along a message to an ambassador in Malta. The message wasn't sent.
- CF official passes along thanks to Abedin for inviting a donor to attend a speech.
- SCANDAL
 
Gaea said:
I don't get it. What exactly did HRC do that was so egregious?

Here's an article about the Clinton Foundation scandal.

Clinton Foundation Official Requests State Lunch Invitation, Special Seating for Foundation Allies, Emails Show - ABC News



Wow, so an official for the Clinton Foundation asked Hillary Clinton to give special treatment to executives who donated to the foundation. Sounds like pay-to-play. That doesn't look good if she actually complied with the request.



Okay...... So, they did not attend. Meaning Hillary Clinton didn't comply with the unscrupulous request. Surely there's something more sinister that's happening?



Wow, so once again, this Clinton Foundation official is asking for favors for big Foundation donors. If the message was passed on to the ambassador, that wouldn't look good at all.



Okay... so that didn't go anywhere either. Maybe they have something more incriminating buried deeper in the article.



So... a Clinton Foundation donor was invited to attend a speech. Surely there's something more that happened?



Wait... what? What did I miss?

The entire content of this article was
- CF official asks Abedin to send CF donors to lunch with the Chinese president and Joe Biden. They didn't attend.
- CF official asks Abedin to pass along a message to an ambassador in Malta. The message wasn't sent.
- CF official thanks Abedin for inviting him to attend a speech.
- SCANDAL
Click to expand...

You see, us conservatives just want equality. We just want her to be treated the same way any white male would be treated.
MTIwNjA4NjMzNjcyNDAyNDQ0.jpg
 
Gaea said:
I don't get it. What exactly did HRC do that was so egregious?

Here's an article about the Clinton Foundation scandal.

Clinton Foundation Official Requests State Lunch Invitation, Special Seating for Foundation Allies, Emails Show - ABC News



Wow, so an official for the Clinton Foundation asked Hillary Clinton to give special treatment to executives who donated to the foundation. Sounds like pay-to-play. That doesn't look good if she actually complied with the request.



Okay...... So, they did not attend. Meaning Hillary Clinton didn't comply with the unscrupulous request. Surely there's something more sinister that's happening?



Wow, so once again, this Clinton Foundation official is asking for favors for big Foundation donors. If the message was passed on to the ambassador, that wouldn't look good at all.



Okay... so that didn't go anywhere either. Maybe they have something more incriminating buried deeper in the article.



So... a Clinton Foundation donor was invited to attend a speech. Surely there's something more that happened?



Wait... what? What did I miss?

The entire content of this article was
- CF official asks Abedin to send CF donors to lunch with the Chinese president and Joe Biden. They didn't attend.
- CF official asks Abedin to pass along a message to an ambassador in Malta. The message wasn't sent.
- CF official passes along thanks to Abedin for inviting a donor to attend a speech.
- SCANDAL
Click to expand...

You're a little late to the party, son.
And you brought a crappy gift to boot.
The Clinton Foundation is old enough to have spread it's corruption through its various affiliations world-wide in forms much worse than the one you call "the Clinton Foundation scandal".
Is that really the only thing you know.
Here's one with some real heft ...
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal

At the heart of the tale are several men, leaders of the Canadian mining industry, who have been major donors to the charitable endeavors of former President Bill Clinton and his family. Members of that group built, financed and eventually sold off to the Russians a company that would become known as Uranium One.

Beyond mines in Kazakhstan that are among the most lucrative in the world, the sale gave the Russians control of one-fifth of all uranium production capacity in the United States. Since uranium is considered a strategic asset, with implications for national security, the deal had to be approved by a committee composed of representatives from a number of United States government agencies. Among the agencies that eventually signed off was the State Department, then headed by Mr. Clinton’s wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One’s chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35 million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White House to publicly identify all donors. Other people with ties to the company made donations as well.


There are others that only the most diehard Clintonistas would cover for ... are you one of them?
 
Gaea said:
I don't get it. What exactly did HRC do that was so egregious?

Here's an article about the Clinton Foundation scandal.

Clinton Foundation Official Requests State Lunch Invitation, Special Seating for Foundation Allies, Emails Show - ABC News



Wow, so an official for the Clinton Foundation asked Hillary Clinton to give special treatment to executives who donated to the foundation. Sounds like pay-to-play. That doesn't look good if she actually complied with the request.



Okay...... So, they did not attend. Meaning Hillary Clinton didn't comply with the unscrupulous request. Surely there's something more sinister that's happening?



Wow, so once again, this Clinton Foundation official is asking for favors for big Foundation donors. If the message was passed on to the ambassador, that wouldn't look good at all.



Okay... so that didn't go anywhere either. Maybe they have something more incriminating buried deeper in the article.



So... a Clinton Foundation donor was invited to attend a speech. Surely there's something more that happened?



Wait... what? What did I miss?

The entire content of this article was
- CF official asks Abedin to send CF donors to lunch with the Chinese president and Joe Biden. They didn't attend.
- CF official asks Abedin to pass along a message to an ambassador in Malta. The message wasn't sent.
- CF official passes along thanks to Abedin for inviting a donor to attend a speech.
- SCANDAL
Click to expand...

Well, you see, the Republicans nominated Donald Trump as their candidate.

That was a foolish thing, of course, but that's what they did.

So, in order to have any sort of a chance of winning, they have to make Clinton out to be a crook. Therefore, they are making a charitable foundation out to be a political war chest of some sort.

It's totally bogus, of course, but what are they to do? They have to at least try to get their demagogue elected after all.
 
Gaea said:
I don't get it. What exactly did HRC do that was so egregious?

Here's an article about the Clinton Foundation scandal.

Clinton Foundation Official Requests State Lunch Invitation, Special Seating for Foundation Allies, Emails Show - ABC News



Wow, so an official for the Clinton Foundation asked Hillary Clinton to give special treatment to executives who donated to the foundation. Sounds like pay-to-play. That doesn't look good if she actually complied with the request.



Okay...... So, they did not attend. Meaning Hillary Clinton didn't comply with the unscrupulous request. Surely there's something more sinister that's happening?



Wow, so once again, this Clinton Foundation official is asking for favors for big Foundation donors. If the message was passed on to the ambassador, that wouldn't look good at all.



Okay... so that didn't go anywhere either. Maybe they have something more incriminating buried deeper in the article.



So... a Clinton Foundation donor was invited to attend a speech. Surely there's something more that happened?



Wait... what? What did I miss?

The entire content of this article was
- CF official asks Abedin to send CF donors to lunch with the Chinese president and Joe Biden. They didn't attend.
- CF official asks Abedin to pass along a message to an ambassador in Malta. The message wasn't sent.
- CF official passes along thanks to Abedin for inviting a donor to attend a speech.
- SCANDAL
Click to expand...

Why don't you save yourself all the time and effort, and just dismiss the whole thing?

Clearly your mind is made up, and your favored candidate has been selected.

Showing everyone your thought process doesn't really add up to much of a debate topic.
 
bubbabgone said:
You're a little late to the party, son.
And you brought a crappy gift to boot.
The Clinton Foundation is old enough to have spread it's corruption through its various affiliations world-wide in forms much worse than the one you call "the Clinton Foundation scandal".
Is that really the only thing you know.
Here's one with some real heft ...
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal

At the heart of the tale are several men, leaders of the Canadian mining industry, who have been major donors to the charitable endeavors of former President Bill Clinton and his family. Members of that group built, financed and eventually sold off to the Russians a company that would become known as Uranium One.

Beyond mines in Kazakhstan that are among the most lucrative in the world, the sale gave the Russians control of one-fifth of all uranium production capacity in the United States. Since uranium is considered a strategic asset, with implications for national security, the deal had to be approved by a committee composed of representatives from a number of United States government agencies. Among the agencies that eventually signed off was the State Department, then headed by Mr. Clinton’s wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One’s chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35 million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White House to publicly identify all donors. Other people with ties to the company made donations as well.


There are others that only the most diehard Clintonistas would cover for ... are you one of them?
Click to expand...

Donald Trump inaccurately suggests Clinton got paid to approve Russia uranium deal | PolitiFact

Next?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Well, you see, the Republicans nominated Donald Trump as their candidate.

That was a foolish thing, of course, but that's what they did.

So, in order to have any sort of a chance of winning, they have to make Clinton out to be a crook. Therefore, they are making a charitable foundation out to be a political war chest of some sort.

It's totally bogus, of course, but what are they to do? They have to at least try to get their demagogue elected after all.
Click to expand...

You're not being very helpful.

Why don't you explain to the neophyte why the Clintons have promised to disassociated themselves from their charity if Hillary becomes Prez?
 
ocean515 said:
Why don't you save yourself all the time and effort, and just dismiss the whole thing?

Clearly your mind is made up, and your favored candidate has been selected.

Showing everyone your thought process doesn't really add up to much of a debate topic.
Click to expand...

Actually, I'm an undecided voter. I'm not considering Trump, but I am undecided between Clinton and third party.
 
Gaea said:
Actually, I'm an undecided voter. I'm not considering Trump, but I am undecided between Clinton and third party.
Click to expand...

I understand. But truly, your OP makes it very clear where your coming from, so why ask the question?

Perhaps you can explain why the Clintons have promised to completely disassociate themselves from the foundation they set up should Hillary be elected President.

If everything is on the up and up, why would they promise to do so?
 
ocean515 said:
I understand. But truly, your OP makes it very clear where your coming from, so why ask the question?
Click to expand...

I'm hoping somebody can point me in the direction of actual evidence of pay-to-play happening.

Perhaps you can explain why the Clintons have promised to completely disassociate themselves from the foundation they set up should Hillary be elected President.

If everything is on the up and up, why would they promise to do so?
Click to expand...

Optics.
 
Gaea said:
I'm hoping somebody can point me in the direction of actual evidence of pay-to-play happening.



Optics.
Click to expand...

There are lots of places to do some research on the subject. You might try some.

As to optics, do the optics only apply when President, and not when Secretary of State?
 
ocean515 said:
There are lots of places to do some research on the subject. You might try some.
Click to expand...

That's what I'm asking for. Link me to a story that substantiates the claim made by the president of Citizens United:

"Hillary Clinton's senior staff at the State Department routinely worked with the Clinton Foundation to reward big donors with special access and favors for four years."

As to optics, do the optics only apply when President, and not when Secretary of State?
Click to expand...

Obviously she didn't think it was a big deal before. There wasn't a scandal about the Foundation when Bill Clinton left office, nor was there one when Hillary ended her senate term.
 
Gaea said:
That's what I'm asking for. Link me to a story that substantiates the claim made by the president of Citizens United:

"Hillary Clinton's senior staff at the State Department routinely worked with the Clinton Foundation to reward big donors with special access and favors for four years."



Obviously she didn't think it was a big deal before. There wasn't a scandal about the Foundation when Bill Clinton left office, nor was there one when Hillary ended her senate term.
Click to expand...

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to feed the stereotype. Do some research yourself, or be satisfied you think you know enough.

As to not thinking it was a big deal before, why does she feel it's a big deal now?
 
Honestly, I don't care how biased somebody is. I just want somebody to link me a case of pay-to-play involving the foundation.

If they can't do that, then they shouldn't ever bring up the Foundation as a concern unless they think it is morally objectionable to be charitable.
 
She more or less accepted a bribe. If you use cui bono? and follow the money, its all circumstantial. I have to wonder how much of a powder keg the NSA is sitting on regarding HER phone calls.
 
ocean515 said:
Why don't you save yourself all the time and effort, and just dismiss the whole thing?

Clearly your mind is made up, and your favored candidate has been selected.

Showing everyone your thought process doesn't really add up to much of a debate topic.
Click to expand...

Pot, meet kettle.
 
ocean515 said:
You're not being very helpful.

Why don't you explain to the neophyte why the Clintons have promised to disassociated themselves from their charity if Hillary becomes Prez?
Click to expand...

Well, that's obvious. They want to defuse the so called "controversy" about the foreign donors, as some voters at least seem to believe that the foundation is actually some sort of political fund.
 
OpportunityCost said:
She more or less accepted a bribe. If you use cui bono? and follow the money, its all circumstantial. I have to wonder how much of a powder keg the NSA is sitting on regarding HER phone calls.
Click to expand...

Please cite a source that indicates she has "more or less accepted a bribe."
 
Gaea said:
Ah, so you're one of those feelings people. You feel that she took bribes, therefore she did.
Click to expand...

She took money from people right before decisions she could directly influence at State. If it isn't a bribe, it looks like one.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom