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Ted Cruz or Bust

The Daily News has turned itself into a self-parody but this is funny no matter who you support.

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imyoda said:
Ted Cruz ? Republican Party?s Best Hope
Ted Cruz or Bust


If the Republican Party is to be saved from Donald Trump, Ted Cruz’s runaway victory in Wisconsin will have been the inflection point. If you thought this service to the GOP would be met with plaudits and gratitude from the party’s insiders, you obviously don’t know anything about their relationship to the Texas senator. St. Augustine famously prayed, Dear Lord, make me chaste — but not yet. The GOP establishment’s prayer is, Dear Lord, deliver us from Donald Trump — but not with Ted Cruz. The increasing likelihood of a contested convention in Cleveland has led to chatter about such a conclave turning to a white knight who has the advantage of being neither Trump nor Cruz. House Speaker Paul Ryan, who ascended to the third-highest constitutional office in the land while (sincerely) saying he didn’t want it, is most often mentioned for the honor of winning a nomination he didn’t run for.


Poor Ted Cruz…………..The most despised man in Congress and many other places too………… is being use by the D.C. boys as their tool to stop Trump……….

He is wicked smart but new to politics and possibly somewhat naïve…… But I would not under estimate him…….

BTW
(Have you ever closely taken note of his face with the deep sunken squinty eyes and a Halloween type nose………IMHO……….He look like evil personified)

After the first ballot with Trump not selected…….

………. the Establishment elitist Cruz will be dropped like flies………..

… and D.C. dandies will then have “their” golden boy white knight candidate nominated……….

Think of the three R’s
Romney Rubio Ryan ……Sort of like getting Twiddle-dee and Twiddle-dumb with a “kicker”

My money is on Ryan who does not want the nomination…… Just like he did not want to be Speaker…….
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Hey, you actually decided to take my advice and get a new hobby - smearing Ted Cruz. It's a start, but a pretty sad one...
 
clownboy said:
No, and you know it. This is the same old Lyin Ted script you're parroting. He sold out to the very people he supposedly has opposed the last four years when he was getting absolutely nothing done. Their cash, their political machine is on his side now. He made the deal with the devil.
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:lol: dude, you're desperately reaching. The money people, they aren't coming out in support of Ted. McConnel & Co? They aren't coming out in support of Ted (though they should).

Sell out? What has he sold out?
 
cpwill said:
? Utah, Colorado, North Dakota, Wisconsin. I'm not a math surgeon, but as I recall 1+1+1+1=4.

He'll win New York, but the calendar from there on is a rougher picture

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The CO vote is messy and hasn't been completed as yet. It's a patchwork thing of staggered caucuses. The majority of that vote doesn't happen until tomorrow (April 9).

Trump will stomp him in NY - a winner take all state. After that it will be embarrassing election night after embarrassing election night for Cruz. He doesn't have a hope again until maybe California.

cpwill said:
? Well, no. It's still mathematically possible. It's just not plausible.
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Yeah, if pigs fly. In reality he has no shot.

cpwill said:
? Mind you, the odds that Trump will get to 1,237 are dropping as well. It looks like we are heading to a contested convention. :) For someone who is as legendary a deal maker as Donald Trump, I'm sure that will be exactly his element, and he will be able to prove how effective he is by winning over a majority support.



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No, he doesn't

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Generally, it's within the margin of error now, in either direction.
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Yeah, yeah. Trump is still dominating Cruz in delegate count and votes. And you have to resort to regional polling to see any chance of Cruz winning against Trump in the nation polling.

cpwill said:
? :shrug: Trump's in his home state. He has to win the home state. The question is whether or not Cruz can hold him below 50% in the Congressional Districts.

I'm glad to see you bring up 538 as a source, as they are the source of the graph I posted above, regarding what Trump needs to get to win, v what he is actually getting.
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Of course Trump will dominate in his home state. He'll also take PA and a number of NE states. And if you like 538, take a look at their delegate targets.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/

Trump is at 93% of his target, Cruz at 54%. He doesn't have a chance - seeing this he sold out.
 
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clownboy said:
No, and you know it. This is the same old Lyin Ted script you're parroting. He sold out to the very people he supposedly has opposed the last four years when he was getting absolutely nothing done. Their cash, their political machine is on his side now. He made the deal with the devil.
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Cruz has adopted or changed about every one of his issues from building the wall to eliminating common core in order to coincide with Trump. One could say Trump copied the 'get the bums out' shtick from Cruz.

Cruz and smaller government? Nah. Cruz is constitutional? Nah. Cruz is a Trump hater? Absolutely. This is why Cruz is getting all this love from the donor class...they can control Cruz with their donations.
 
soot said:
Wha?

Cruz won WI on 4/5

He won UT on 3/22 while that same day Trump won AZ.

On 3/15 Trump won MO, FL, NC and IL while Kasich won OH and Cruz won a big goose egg.
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You are forgetting Colorado and North Dakota in between Utah and Wisconsin.

All this talk about a brokered convention is little more than idle chatter from the malcontents right now.
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Well, I'm happy to say I'm not contented with the way this primary has gone.

Mathematically, however, a contested convention is becoming more and more (if not net) likely.


In order to secure the 1237 Trump needs to win a little more than 50% of the remaining 882 delegates.

Up to this point Trump has won a little more than 50% of the delegates that have already been in play.

Based on the trend of the last couple of primaries (Trump won five of them, Cruz two, and Kasich one) there doesn't seem to be any major shift in won:lost ratios that would indicate Trump's popularity is tapering off.
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No, what it is doing instead is flatlining.

Unfortunately, it's flatlining for him while he needs it to be increasing, as his opposition has consolidated. You can have a blowout victory with 35% of the vote when you are up against 9-12 competitors.... and lose by double digits when you are up against two. Trump's won about 37% of the GOP vote thus far, and seems to have both a hard floor and a hard ceiling in his support. He needs to be hitting 40%+ from here on out.

But counting Trump out now is entirely premature.
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:shrug: no one is doing so. I'd say at this point the likelihood is a rough-guesstimate 45% Trump on getting the nomination, 40% Cruz, and 15% "someone else".
 
cpwill said:
:lol: dude, you're desperately reaching. The money people, they aren't coming out in support of Ted. McConnel & Co? They aren't coming out in support of Ted (though they should).

Sell out? What has he sold out?
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The White House...to the dems. The sell out is the White House to the dems. Cruz and Trump need to form an alliance in order to defeat the dems. Cruz thinks he can win the nomination? Earth to Cruz. You and Cruz don't think the donor class isn't backing a Trump-less nomination? Earth to you.
 
countryboy said:
Whatever. Should he have rejected endorsements from establishment types. Don't be ridiculous.
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The problem comes in when he sounds like he actually believes those establishment types want him to win.
He's saying all Republicans are coalescing around his candidacy as though he might believe it.
He's being used to stop Trump ... period.
And I bet you know that.
Whatever the elites can manage at the Convention they're willing to risk it.

Cruz is to the
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clownboy said:
Nobody is buying that lie. The sale of Lyin Ted's soul is well known now.

GOP elites line up behind Ted Cruz - POLITICO

Ted Cruz consolidates establishment support - Business Insider
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... so some of the older guys, like Jeb, have endorsed him.

Still waiting on you to come out and say where he has sold out?



Or hey, if we are going to count "someone from that group endorsed him" as the equivalent of "he sold out to", does that mean that Donald Trump has sold out to David Duke and the KKK?
 
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faithful_servant said:
Hey, you actually decided to take my advice and get a new hobby - smearing Ted Cruz. It's a start, but a pretty sad one...
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That's good, now any chance you can get him to work on that other bad habit?
 
cabse5 said:
The White House...to the dems. Cruz and Trump need to form an alliance in order to defeat the dems.
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:lol: dude. Trump is the worst candidate that Gallup has measured, ever. You want the Democrats to pick up the White House? Vote Trump. Cruz has a fighting (though slightly disadvantaged) chance.

If you want to make this straight electability, then you should have been a Rubio, Kasich, or Walker supporter.

Nor is Cruz likely to be willing to form an alliance with Trump.

Cruz thinks he can win the nomination?
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He seems to be doing a much better job of preparing for a contested convention than Trump is, which is why he has the better chance if it goes to a contested convention.

You and Cruz don't think the donor class isn't backing a Trump-less nomination? Earth to you.
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So is this more magic thinking where your say-so stands in place of data?

The donor class is sitting this primary out with the notable exception of the member of the donor class currently in the lead.
 
clownboy said:
Nobody is buying that lie. The sale of Lyin Ted's soul is well known now.

GOP elites line up behind Ted Cruz - POLITICO

Ted Cruz consolidates establishment support - Business Insider
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So he didn't change his positions a dozen or so times like Trump, didn't praise the job that liberal and RINO establishment republican like Trump did, or lie about liking someone and then later smearing those people like Trump did? How is Ted Cruz a liar and sell out but Donald Trump is not?
 
cpwill said:
... so some of the older guys, like Jeb, have endorsed him.

Still waiting on you to come out and say where he has sold out?



Or hey, if we are going to count "someone from that group endorsed him" as the equivalent of "he sold out to", does that mean that Donald Trump has sold out to David Duke and the KKK?
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You didn't ask me, but rather that being a sellout I think it's more like they're both guilty of solicitation.
Cruz says he doesn't like the establishment and the establishment sure doesn't like Cruz yet they're in bed together.
 
bubbabgone said:
You didn't ask me, but rather that being a sellout I think it's more like they're both guilty of solicitation.
Cruz says he doesn't like the establishment and the establishment sure doesn't like Cruz yet they're in bed together.
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Meh. Portions of people who have been in GOP politics for a long time are reluctantly coming to the conclusion that Cruz is their only option. He's not going to them - those that are coming (and most aren't) are coming to him.

Cruz has the endorsement of - what - 3 Senators? None of whom are leadership, and two of whom are junior?

Cruz wants to unify the party :shrug: that means eventually the portions of the party that don't like him (and I would probably count myself as one who doesn't like him as a candidate for President) will have to grudgingly accept him. Trump wouldn't turn down anyone's endorsement, either.




But if we are going to start blaming people for those who signal support for them, then I will see you a Jeb Bush and raise you one David Duke. I'm not sure Trump supporters want to really hold out that logic as valid.
 
They are in some measure correct, however, my slogan is: Feck Cruz.
 
bubbabgone said:
You didn't ask me, but rather that being a sellout I think it's more like they're both guilty of solicitation.
Cruz says he doesn't like the establishment and the establishment sure doesn't like Cruz yet they're in bed together.
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The establishment is most likely picking the lesser of two evils or and the person who somewhat has a chance of beating beating Clinton. Which is what many voters do in general.Its how a man that came out with the predecessor to Obama-care, enacted anti-2nd amendment laws that Obama has wet dreams about enacting, supported some of the man made global warming fairy tale nonsense and other liberal issues won the republican primary in 2012.
 
cpwill said:
The delegates are bound on the first ballot. What happens after that is (to varying degrees) up to them. If the Trump campaign wasn't savvy enough (I thought he hired the best people, and had the best brain?) to realize that that might become important, that's their fault.



No. It is, in fact, explicitly the rules.
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Please tell me which rules do you speak of............and where are they written?
 
Electing a corporatist theocrat would actually be a step backward from electing an autocratic ethno-nationalist, in my opinion...
 
faithful_servant said:
Hey, you actually decided to take my advice and get a new hobby - smearing Ted Cruz. It's a start, but a pretty sad one...
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It seem a smear is a post someone does not like....... or one someone does not want to be made public...........

Everything I said about Ted is common knowledge and can be found in MSM and discussed openly on cable.......... If Trump does not take it on the first ballot..........

Poor Ted is going to get screwed............Those boys who run thing will then bring in their golden haired boy for the nomination ............ if things go as they plan

BTW

I am just the messenger here...........If you have a beef......take it up with author.......
 
imyoda said:
Please tell me which rules do you speak of............and where are they written?
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They are indeed - they are the rules for the GOP convention, as well as the rules governing each state delegation. They can be found on the websites of those organizations.
 
imyoda said:
Please tell me which rules do you speak of............and where are they written?
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The rules for each convention are decided upon right before the convention. Sometimes they adopt the previous convention rules en toto, sometimes changes are made. For instance, the must have won at least eight states rule adopted to stop Paul will probably not be adopted this convention. Leaving the RNC bigwigs free to select whomever they wish on the second and third ballots. If things get that far, this is when Lyin Ted will find out what a ****ty bargain he made selling out.

The rules for state conventions and caucuses are generally decided the years before the primaries.
 
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