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Cruz to Trump: ‘Donald, you’re a sniveling coward. Leave Heidi the hell alone.’

justabubba said:
i was not previously aware of her deep involvement in crafting the NAFTA and GATT giveaways
don't share your underwear intrigue
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You didn't know anything about Heidi Cruz? Maybe you should pay attention. I did. Most people who wanted to understand things did.

I missed what she's running for though, and why her involvement in NAFTA is relevant. Are we electing a First Lady again like we did when Mr. Clinton ran for office?
 
clownboy said:
So, you're saying we should ignore her political involvements?
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Why, do you have an issue with smart wives, or just when they aren't Donald Trump's? What is Heidi Cruz running for? Were you concerned with Michelle Obama's history when you voted for Barack Obama?
 
jimbo said:
If you want your wife and kids to be out of bounds in politics, then you best not put your wife and kids on the political stage, then declare them off limits. It's probably also prudent to not attack the other wife, or allow her to be attacked.

Cruz did both. Payback is hell.
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Yeah, OK.

But I'm of the opinion that none of this playground crap should be in a presidential campaign, nor part of the rhetoric on the campaign trail.
 
tres borrachos said:
You didn't know anything about Heidi Cruz? Maybe you should pay attention. I did. Most people who wanted to understand things did.

I missed what she's running for though, and why her involvement in NAFTA is relevant. Are we electing a First Lady again like we did when Mr. Clinton ran for office?
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i knew very little about her other than she was waack like her old man. i gathered that from reports that G_d telling her cruz should run for president green-lighted his campaign

cruz speaks highly of her and her counsel. so, when i see she worked closely with the architect of GATT and NAFTA, that let's me know she is not inclined to advocate policy that helps the average citizen at the expense of corporate profits
 
eohrnberger said:
Yeah, OK.

But I'm of the opinion that none of this playground crap should be in a presidential campaign, nor part of the rhetoric on the campaign trail.
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Except it always is and always has been. It's played out in local whistle stops and home meeting for the candidate, where even now there's not a lot of national press attention. It's also why Cruz didn't say word one about what Super PAC ad against Trump's wife until AFTER he was done in Utah. He let the ad work for him.

The 2008 election I was something of a political junkie and watched C-Span night and day. On the rare moment C-Span will cover candidates on the campaign trail and in donor's homes stumping for dollars typically. Very revealing. Biden in particular was very good at making veiled references about other candidates in these home based meetings. He'd toss it out there and none of it could ever be hung on Obama.
 
eohrnberger said:
Yeah, OK.

But I'm of the opinion that none of this playground crap should be in a presidential campaign, nor part of the rhetoric on the campaign trail.
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Idealistically, I agree with you. But politics has not changed much over the past couple of hundred years, except we no longer fight formal duals over opinions. At least not shooting ones.

These are political cartoons from earlier campaigns. The ads of the day. Reprints from old newspapers and the quality is only fair, but mostly you can get the idea. The big difference is the speed of the communication now vs then. My first rally was Truman off the back of a rail car. Today it's literally the speed of light.

https://www.google.com/search?q=pol...77pOTLAhUEPxQKHaXSBSEQsAQIHA&biw=1255&bih=591

Note that even the issues have not changed all that much. Jobs, immigration, women's and minorities rights, spending.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Why, do you have an issue with smart wives, or just when they aren't Donald Trump's? What is Heidi Cruz running for? Were you concerned with Michelle Obama's history when you voted for Barack Obama?
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So, you have no answer and deflect by asking me questions. Michelle Obama didn't have a political history. Palin's husband did, he was very involved in the AIP, and so yes, that was a [legitimate] topic of discussion. And don't play simple, I know you're not. You know the power of the First Lady and that is indeed a political office (or has become one). Not to mention, by Cruz's own words, she has tremendous influence over his political decision-making.
 
clownboy said:
So, you have no answer and deflect by asking me questions. Michelle Obama didn't have a political history. Palin's husband did, he was very involved in the AIP, and so yes, that was a [legitimate] topic of discussion. And don't play simple, I know you're not. You know the power of the First Lady and that is indeed a political office (or has become one). Not to mention, by Cruz's own words, she has tremendous influence over his political decision-making.
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Palin's husband? You mention Palin's husband, and say I'm deflecting. Now that's funny.
 
justabubba said:
i knew very little about her other than she was waack like her old man. i gathered that from reports that G_d telling her cruz should run for president green-lighted his campaign

cruz speaks highly of her and her counsel. so, when i see she worked closely with the architect of GATT and NAFTA, that let's me know she is not inclined to advocate policy that helps the average citizen at the expense of corporate profits
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Oh, those scary corporate profits. I'm curious, exactly how much money have corporations taken from your pocket, or who were they?

I didn't realize you were such a Trump fan. You've liked more posts from the Trump devotees in the last 48 hours than they have liked in the last 48 days.
 
tres borrachos said:
Oh, those scary corporate profits. I'm curious, exactly how much money have corporations taken from your pocket, or who were they?
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graph corp profits vs wage rate.jpg
sources of governemnt revenues.jpg
notice the substantially larger increase in corporate profits versus wage income
notice also the substantially smaller corporate tax contribution over a similar period
which then tells us that while corporations were becoming more profitable they were also sharing a much smaller portion of the federal tax burden
wage earners like me were responsible for paying that difference

I didn't realize you were such a Trump fan. You've liked more posts from the Trump devotees in the last 48 hours than they have liked in the last 48 days.
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your conclusion is again found to be quite flawed
one need not be a tRump supporter to point out the terrible candidate cruz is
 
justabubba said:
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notice the substantially larger increase in corporate profits versus wage income
notice also the substantially smaller corporate tax contribution over a similar period
which then tells us that while corporations were becoming more profitable they were also sharing a much smaller portion of the federal tax burden
wage earners like me were responsible for paying that difference


your conclusion is again found to be quite flawed
one need not be a tRump supporter to point out the terrible candidate cruz is
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Can't you answer the question? Posting links and charts doesn't answer it in your words.

Cruz is a terrible candidate. But you were never going to vote for him anyway. Plus with all this leg humping of Trump you're doing, who knows what you're actually thinking.
 
tres borrachos said:
Can't you answer the question? Posting links and charts doesn't answer it in your words.
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i answered the question
me:
notice the substantially larger increase in corporate profits versus wage income
notice also the substantially smaller corporate tax contribution over a similar period
which then tells us that while corporations were becoming more profitable they were also sharing a much smaller portion of the federal tax burden
wage earners like me were responsible for paying that difference
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even provided 'pictures' ... with colors
and you blame me despite your confession not to comprehend it

Cruz is a terrible candidate. But you were never going to vote for him anyway. Plus with all this leg humping of Trump you're doing,
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the problem is yours
that you inaccurately view posted criticism of cruz to be the equivalent of leg humping tRump

who knows what you're actually thinking.
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me. and anyone - with an open mind - who reads what i post
those who do not are inclined to be snide forum members with comprehension deficit
 
justabubba said:
i answered the question

even provided 'pictures' ... with colors
and you blame me despite your confession not to comprehend it


the problem is yours
that you inaccurately view posted criticism of cruz to be the equivalent of leg humping tRump


me. and anyone - with an open mind - who reads what i post
those who do not are inclined to be snide forum members with comprehension deficit
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My bad, I forgot that you were one of those Liberals who thinks everyone else doesn't pay enough taxes. Should have known.

Too bad you didn't profit on corporate America. Those of us who are wage earners and invest wisely did. The greater their profits, the more our investments made. You wouldn't understand that concept at all. It's the mean old corporations' faults that you weren't successful. Heidi Cruz is responsible for your lack of success.
 
Has Cruz ever publicly lashed out at his superpac for running the nude photo of Trump's wife on a commercial?
 
Moderate Right said:
Has Cruz ever publicly lashed out at his superpac for running the nude photo of Trump's wife on a commercial?
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He has denied any connection with the super PAC
Cruz has repeatedly denied any connection to Make America Awesome, the anti-Trump super-PAC behind the Melania ad, and Trump has not offered evidence connecting the two. Super-PACs are barred from directly coordinating with a campaign.
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The last sentence is particularly funny as no investigative body seems to be willing to actually check on collaboration between candidates and super PACs
 
Somerville said:
He has denied any connection with the super PAC


The last sentence is particularly funny as no investigative body seems to be willing to actually check on collaboration between candidates and super PACs
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I didn't ask if he denied any connection with the superpac, as most connections are actually illegal. I asked if Cruz had admonished the superpac for what they did. I've never heard that he did.
 
Moderate Right said:
I didn't ask if he denied any connection with the superpac, as most connections are actually illegal. I asked if Cruz had admonished the superpac for what they did. I've never heard that he did.
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No, nor did my guy John Kasich, but that's because it isn't his PAC either. It's an anti-Trump PAC founded by a former Scott Walker campaign staffer.
 
tres borrachos said:
No, nor did my guy John Kasich, but that's because it isn't his PAC either. It's an anti-Trump PAC founded by a former Scott Walker campaign staffer.
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OK. Looked it up and you are technically correct but I still have yet to hear Cruz say that the superpac shouldn't have done that.
 
Moderate Right said:
What? I thought it was his superpac and that is why Trump returned fire to Cruz.
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Nope. It was founded by Liz Mair. She's a career GOP strategist, and she was fired by Walker I believe right before he dropped out, for stupid Tweets and other malfeasance. It's not Cruz's PAC. Its specific purpose is anti-Trump. Corey Lewandowski has even admitted publicly that it's not a Cruz PAC, and Cruz had nothing to do with that ad, and didn't even know about it. Lewandowski tossed his boss right under the bus. Trump attacked Heidi Cruz for no reason at all. He really ****ed this up.
 
Moderate Right said:
OK. Looked it up and you are technically correct but I still have yet to hear Cruz say that the superpac shouldn't have done that.
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I believe he did, but even if he didn't, he isn't responsible for what a PAC does. Kasich didn't say anything. Sanders didn't say anything. Clinton didn't say anything. Cruz isn't the referee. There were 2 people in the wrong here - Liz Mair and Donald Trump. Nobody else.
 
tres borrachos said:
I believe he did, but even if he didn't, he isn't responsible for what a PAC does. Kasich didn't say anything. Sanders didn't say anything. Clinton didn't say anything. Cruz isn't the referee. There were 2 people in the wrong here - Liz Mair and Donald Trump. Nobody else.
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That's the problem, candidates let these pacs get away with murder and then they throw their hands up in the air and claim that they don't have anything to do with what the pac does.
 
Moderate Right said:
That's the problem, candidates let these pacs get away with murder and then they throw their hands up in the air and claim that they don't have anything to do with what the pac does.
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But they didn't have anything to do with it. Even Trump's campaign manager has publicly admitted that Cruz had nothing to do with it. Liz Mair did that on her own. The only one who has to answer for it is her. But Trump, in his inevitable way, went after a completely innocent person - Heidi Cruz.
 
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