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Nearly 20 percent of Trump’s supporters disapprove of Lincoln freeing the slaves

If any state could leave at the drop of a hat, how can the United States surrvive such a threat to its existence?

if we aren't united, what is the point?

As it stands right now, I personally see a better reason to wage war against socialists at home then fighting in wars overseas. How does the U.S. survive the growing hatred we have for your way of doing things?
 
if we aren't united, what is the point?

As it stands right now, I personally see a better reason to wage war against socialists at home then fighting in wars overseas. How does the U.S. survive the growing hatred we have for your way of doing things?

Why would anyone wage another war that pits one American against another?
 
Why would anyone wage another war that pits one American against another?

America is already dead to me, there is no united we stand.

so vote for free college, and other "fair share" bull****. Force people to bake cakes.

Just don't be surprised when I sit on my hands while I watch what you built burn to the ground
 
You take hack a poll and consider it legit? You can go into areas of Boston and NYC that are mainly democrat and get the same results.

Kinda shameful.

What makes it a "hack poll"?
 
consent of the governed is the only way you can ensure people will fight to defend this republic.

as it stands today, I have no vested interest in keeping this horror show safe and sound, and I'm not alone.

that is what happens when you ignore state rights. I'd just as soon go to war with you as I would the new boogie man you tell me to fear abroad.

The majority taking away the rights of minorities is not freedom, it's tyranny. You can defend tyranny all you want. You will lose.
 
The majority taking away the rights of minorities is not freedom, it's tyranny. You can defend tyranny all you want. You will lose.

blablabla. the left and their empty platitudes.

forcing someone to bake a cake - who is more of a minority then a small business owner?

tax policy the left pursues is nothing more then a populist majority punishing a minority.
 
Read more @: Nearly 20 percent of Trump’s supporters disapprove of Lincoln freeing the slaves

Pretty stunning that many Americans hold this view. However its not stunning that they mostly flock to the biggest bigot up there, Donald Trump.. [/FONT][/COLOR]


8+5 is 13% which according to this link to an unscientific online poll either somewhat or strongly, disapprove. the question is awkwardly worded, and there is no telling if the respondents were who they say they are.


It's a pretty racist thing, to use charges of racism on people because you disapprove of their candidate. left wing racism of scarlet lettering is shameful.
 
What makes it a "hack poll"?

2000 people.

Web based interviews?

You can be whoever you like on the internet, but then again, it's on the internet so it has to be true.................right?

It's a hack poll.

C'mon..............any reasonable person would discount this.
 
America is already dead to me, there is no united we stand.

so vote for free college, and other "fair share" bull****. Force people to bake cakes.

Just don't be surprised when I sit on my hands while I watch what you built burn to the ground

I don't see my state as a separate idenity, I am American regardless of what state I live in. I may be a individual, but I cannot separate myself from society or the interests of the nation. The civil war bound this nation, we have survived two world wars, the United States has survived and endured.
 
Read more @: Nearly 20 percent of Trump’s supporters disapprove of Lincoln freeing the slaves

Pretty stunning that many Americans hold this view. However its not stunning that they mostly flock to the biggest bigot up there, Donald Trump.. [/FONT][/COLOR]


I read through the entire YouGov poll linked in the Vox article. There is no break out of candidate affiliation related to the answers given to the slavery question, as well as others.


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Since there is no breakout, how did the Times come up with a claim that 20% of Trump supporters disapprove of the executive order freeing the slaves?
 
blablabla. the left and their empty platitudes.

forcing someone to bake a cake - who is more of a minority then a small business owner?

tax policy the left pursues is nothing more then a populist majority punishing a minority.

No one is forced to bake anything only treat people equally...the horror.
Tax rates are based on what a person can afford to pay....you want to change that?
 
No one is forced to bake anything only treat people equally...the horror.
Tax rates are based on what a person can afford to pay....you want to change that?

ahh, the head in the sand approach.

tax rates are based on what majority of voters have wanted to do. If they want to tax 90% of a person's productivity, they can. that is the system the left has fought for.

so don't waste my time with the lies and bull crap. any protection(white males being protected mind you) the minority once had is gone.

the system we have now is mob rule. no amendment will ever again need to be made. might makes right.
 
If any state could leave at the drop of a hat, how can the United States surrvive such a threat to its existence?

Why is the existence of a political jurisdiction such a huge priority?

It's certainly possible for nation states with slightly different theories of governance to live beside one and other peacefully.

Texas is larger than pretty much every nation in Europe (except Russia and maybe Ukraine), it's bigger than most Southeast Asian and South American nations, it's roughly the same size as Afghanistan.

If we broke the United States up in to four of five separate nations and lived together as a confederacy of nation states, kinda like the EU, why would that be a problem?

Hell, if we broke up in to 50 separate nations I fail to see why it would be such a huge problem.

Nations come and go.

All.

The.

Time.

The U.S. isn't going to last forever either.

Governments are instituted by men in order to secure men's rights and they derive their powers from the consent of the governed.

At least that's what I read.

Whenever government becomes destructive of those ends it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government.

When people feel that the government is destructive of their rights and they seek to institute a new government then the old government, should it attempt to oppress them and impose upon them a governance they do not wish to recognize, is a tyrant, and no just government at all.

Basically what you're saying is that you support tyranny.

Nice.
 
I don't see my state as a separate idenity, I am American regardless of what state I live in. I may be a individual, but I cannot separate myself from society or the interests of the nation. The civil war bound this nation, we have survived two world wars, the United States has survived and endured.

you sound like people that used to think housing prices always go up.

they always do... until they don't.

I believe in rule of law and consent of the governed. I find the form of governance you want to be sickening. I'm not going to aid you in achieving it, and I won't risk my life to defend it.
 
Why is the existence of a political jurisdiction such a huge priority?

It's certainly possible for nation states with slightly different theories of governance to live beside one and other peacefully.

Texas is larger than pretty much every nation in Europe (except Russia and maybe Ukraine), it's bigger than most Southeast Asian and South American nations, it's roughly the same size as Afghanistan.

If we broke the United States up in to four of five separate nations and lived together as a confederacy of nation states, kinda like the EU, why would that be a problem?

Hell, if we broke up in to 50 separate nations I fail to see why it would be such a huge problem.

Nations come and go.

All.

The.

Time.

The U.S. isn't going to last forever either.

Governments are instituted by men in order to secure men's rights and they derive their powers from the consent of the governed.

At least that's what I read.

Whenever government becomes destructive of those ends it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government.

When people feel that the government is destructive of their rights and they seek to institute a new government then the old government, should it attempt to oppress them and impose upon them a governance they do not wish to recognize, is a tyrant, and no just government at all.

Basically what you're saying is that you support tyranny.

Nice.

Tyrants weild absolute power with no checks or balances. This country has checks and balances.

There is no need to destroy this country over a disagreement over the constitution. I see enough good within our country in order to keep this grand expierment alive.
 
Lincoln was an asshole.

Why? Because he was a Republican?

>>he didn't give a lick about slavery

He was a racist, but he found slavery to be morally repugnant. He did not support abolition … because he thought it was unconstitutional.

>>he cared about a powerful central government.

As did the majority at the Convention in 1789 who drafted the Constitution. The anti-Federalists lost, and that view has continued losing.

I see ones support for a consolidated power, in this case the federal government, as a blatant attempt to force all people of a nation to conform to a single viewpoint and is in affect limiting my right to decide what is right for me and my family what my opinion differs from popular opinion.

Yes, this is the anti-Federalist argument. They were (more or less) brought in with the Bill of Rights.

ultimately, I side with consent of the governed.

So do I. We have elections, access to the courts, and the power to amend the Constitution.

>>If people want to divorce, we allow them to divorce.

US citizens residing in secessionist states were deprived of their constitutional rights when their state gubmints seceded. You go to court to get a divorce. You don't throw yer spouse out the door and then open fire on the police when they come to look into the matter. Not without serious consequences.

It could be that, or it could be people understanding history and knowing that the Executive Order only …

Yer saying that understanding would cause them oppose the action?

the war of northern aggression is still considered to be a black mark to many of us, just as slavery is.

I understand. But how do you justify the heavy firing on Fort Sumter? War could have been avoided.

That is better than shooting you!!

Someone else would likely beat you to it. Then you could yell at my grave.

the precedent of allowing people to govern themselves would not of been a bad thing.

I agree. That's why I support the Constitution and oppose armed insurrections aimed at depriving US citizens of their constitutional rights.

>>I'd bet that we would of unified long, long ago, and wouldn't of wrecked the constitution in the process.

I don't see it as "wrecked," and if you guys wanted unity, you either shouldn't have started shooting or at least called for negotiations before things really got started at Shiloh.

I personally see a better reason to wage war against socialists at home then fighting in wars overseas.

You plan on attacking the local Social Security office?

>>How does the U.S. survive the growing hatred we have for your way of doing things?

Accepting the results of elections and working within the system. Or you could engage in violent actions based on yer hatred and end up either dead or in a federal prison.

so vote for free college

In-state undergraduate tuition used to be very affordable. I'd like to see a return to that.

>>Force people to bake cakes.

Hey! That sounds like a good idea. I'll bring it up at the next commie meeting. Hmm, I see from yer next post that you were just referring to "No wedding cakes for homos." I still say the more cakes the better!

>>Just don't be surprised when I sit on my hands while I watch what you built burn to the ground

Don't be surprised when we get along just fine without you.

not as many as we used to have

Any examples?
 
you sound like people that used to think housing prices always go up.

they always do... until they don't.

I believe in rule of law and consent of the governed. I find the form of governance you want to be sickening. I'm not going to aid you in achieving it, and I won't risk my life to defend it.


I consent by following the laws and voting, in order to not consent to being governed would be an act of violating the law.

I believe in reform from within the system.
 
Why is the existence of a political jurisdiction such a huge priority?

Nice.

the left doesn't want to admit an obvious truth.

everything they want done needs to be a federally solution for one simple reason. the federal government doesn't have to pay for programs directly. This is the only viable way they can achieve their programs. It is completely dishonest, but here we are. If a politician has to pay for their promises, nobody would elect them.

This is truly bad way of doing things. It isn’t just that we are sticking unborn generations with our spending, but given the nature of our central bank and its influence on smaller central banks, we are actually stealing from impoverished people abroad. These programs aren’t just funded by debt, they are also funded by sweat shop labor and oppressive regimes like one finds in china.
 
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I consent by following the laws and voting, in order to not consent to being governed would be an act of violating the law.

I believe in reform from within the system.

I don't believe your system can be reformed. it is fundamentally broken.
 
Tyrants weild absolute power with no checks or balances. This country has checks and balances.

Unless you fundamentally disagree with what the government decides you should do in which case it wields something we like to call "the monopoly on violence" to put you in your place.

Once you start killing people because they peacefully disagree with you and just don't want to play your game any more you're pretty much wielding absolute power.

Ergo, you are a tyrant.

There is no need to destroy this country over a disagreement over the constitution. I see enough good within our country in order to keep this grand expierment alive.

I see plenty of good within our country too.

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not calling for secession.

But if there's a disagreement over what the Constitution means, and the government doesn't come down on the side of securing the individual rights of the people, then the government has jumped the shark and is no longer operating according to the Constitution.

We've incrementally gotten to the point where the people serve the government, and not the other way around.

Again, I'm not calling for secession, but I live a pretty comfortable life at this point and the pain involved in turning against the government would be far worse than tolerating their bull**** for the time being.

But I can think of a number of issues that, should the government decide to go the way of pandering to the collective rather than securing individual rights would have me out in the woods practicing rhythm drills and IADs with a small cell of like minded individuals, if that makes sense.
 
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