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Sanders needs to go on the attack... or lose

solletica said:
That's not the case--there are legitimate democratic socialists who won't vote for Sanders because they know that just because Sanders claims to be a democratic socialist, the country would not necessarily end up that way if he were Pres; they recognize that there are corporate beasts that would merely exploit Sanders' socialist bent to turn the country toward complete plutocratic socialism -- the worst kind.
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I would seriously like know where these democratic socialist you know that wouldn't vote for him because they doubt his principles or think Sanders would allow corporations to get away with anything. In fact these people, if they exist, i would be will to bet, are a ridiculously small number
 
RetiredUSN said:
I think too many people are playing the "willfully ignorant" game when it comes to Bernie Sanders and his SOCIALIST label. America already has many beneficial social programs in place.

Social Security - Medicaid - Food Stamps - Student Loans - Public Libraries - Public Health Facilities - Corporate/Business Subsidies - Public Parks - GI Bill ................. etc. etc. etc.

This is where many conservatives are off base in regards to Sanders.
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Very true indeed and I'll never forget that clip with (what appeared to be) a conservative at a tea party rally, where he's holding a sign saying "get your government hands off my medicare".

They and many just fundamentally don't seem to understand what some of their most treasured progams are...socialist.

However, I feel that in this campaign, Sanders hasn't driven that point home, and the Democrats don't even bother
 
Crovax said:
This isnt 2008. Hillary has a much bigger lead of Sanders than she ever did over Obama. Nearly every single elected democrat supports her, only one other candidate has ever had that much party support GWB in 2000. Guess what? he still lost 7 states. So I wouldnt be surprised if Bernie wins 10 states but thats not going to get him the nomination or anywhere close.

Why is Bernie doing so good in Iowa and NH? those are two of the most white liberal states, the only whiter more liberal state is Sanders home state of Vermont.

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I don't think that the people who support him do so because he's white.

Also the liberality of a state won't necessarily mean a Clinton auto lose and Sanders auto win. All his policies and almost all his past positions in the past have more public support than Clinton. The problem for him is getting over the Clinton brand which has been established in people's heads over the last 25 years. If he can do that and it was just down to policy, he'd crush her.

Just look at the favourbility between under 25s and 30-40s, people who haven't been exposed to the Clinton brand, he's dominating.
 
DDA said:
I see, this explains the implausibly of your other comment. You like to make claims which you can't possibly prove....
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He's going against a serial flip-flopper and losing--that proves he doesn't care about winning.
 
DDA said:
I would seriously like know where these democratic socialist you know that wouldn't vote for him because they doubt his principles or think Sanders would allow corporations to get away with anything. In fact these people, if they exist, i would be will to bet, are a ridiculously small number
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Sanders' principles are irrelevant. He may very well be an authentic socialist, but it's a major turn off to have a candidate that is not a fighter--someone who can effectively lock horns, cut deals, and get things done.

A socialist who's a total softy (like Sanders) will easily by run over in Washington--he'll simply be exploited by powerful Wall St. firms and oil cos. to get their way.

And we know that Sanders is a softy since he's running his campaign that way.
 
solletica said:
Sanders' principles are irrelevant. He may very well be an authentic socialist, but it's a major turn off to have a candidate that is not a fighter--someone who can effectively lock horns, cut deals, and get things done.

A socialist who's a total softy (like Sanders) will easily by run over in Washington--he'll simply be exploited by powerful Wall St. firms and oil cos. to get their way.

And we know that Sanders is a softy since he's running his campaign that way.
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Have you not watched Sanders throughout his career? Just because he doesn't fight dirty doesn't mean he doesn't fight. In fact I would bet you will see more use of the bully pulpit with a President Sanders than we have any president in our lifetimes.
 
BrewerBob said:
Have you not watched Sanders throughout his career? Just because he doesn't fight dirty doesn't mean he doesn't fight.
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Yes, in politics, if one doesn't fight dirty, then he/she is not a fighter.

Impractical idealists have their place in the world. Politics is not one of them.

BrewerBob said:
In fact I would bet you will see more use of the bully pulpit with a President Sanders than we have any president in our lifetimes.
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He'll scream loud and fail to accomplish anything except raising everyone's taxes. The very wealthy, who are always able to skirt tax laws, will remain totally unaffected.
 
BrewerBob said:
Have you not watched Sanders throughout his career? Just because he doesn't fight dirty doesn't mean he doesn't fight. In fact I would bet you will see more use of the bully pulpit with a President Sanders than we have any president in our lifetimes.
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BrewerBob, that avatar of yours is creepy. It's eerily similar to this. In case you didn't pick up on the Spanish language nuance below, the caption almost has a Borg-like connotation of "you will be assimilated".

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SDET said:
BrewerBob, that avatar of yours is creepy. It's eerily similar to this. In case you didn't pick up on the Spanish language nuance below, the caption almost has a Borg-like connotation of "you will be assimilated".

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La resistencia es inútil.
 
solletica said:
Sanders' principles are irrelevant. He may very well be an authentic socialist, but it's a major turn off to have a candidate that is not a fighter--someone who can effectively lock horns, cut deals, and get things done.

A socialist who's a total softy (like Sanders) will easily by run over in Washington--he'll simply be exploited by powerful Wall St. firms and oil cos. to get their way.

And we know that Sanders is a softy since he's running his campaign that way.
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You clearly have never watched him in the house, senate or in any committees. I too think he's being soft in his campaign, and would love him to throw a punch or two, but his politics is anything but that.

Go watch a video or two of him before making those kind of remarks. Here would be a start
 
DDA said:
Hello again all,

I know a lot of people here don't like Sanders on DP, however, I wanted to see what everyone things about my reason on why I think Sanders will LOSE the DNC primary.

As usual, I've made a more detailed video on the topic, which you can find here

But in summary, I believe that despite of his popularity of his message and it resonating with the American people, because of his unwillingness to play the more cut throat political game of character assassination (and the like) against Clinton, he will ultimately lose the primary.

Politics, unfortunately, isn't just about policy, in the US, as well as the UK, it's about presentation, showmanship and robustness. The GOP are masters of this; and as a result they are able to often win, despite becoming ever more extreme and detached from the US population as a whole.

As he can not hope to convert die hard Clinton drones based on policy, he can therefore only gain so many supporters. To detract these supporters, he must be willing to throw a bit of mud and smear her. He's got to erode the support of those Clinton supporters who are on the fence, and to do this he should hit them with a bit of mud, so even if they don't fall on his side, they'll at least won't fall on Clinton's side.

I know that people will say that this might put off some supporters...but he needs to take that risk, or lose.

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I'm not personally a Bernie supporter, although if I had to pick between he and Clinton I would pick Bernie.
As far as the point you are making, I think he should pick the topics and opportunities carefully but some of it should be done.
I think he could drop a point or two about Hillarys current scandal. I know Bernie wouldn't be in such a situation and he can capitalize on that without it coming across as an outright attack.
Clinton will do it. As soon as Bernie wins a few primaries she will start pulling out the dirty tricks playbook.
 
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