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Sanders needs to go on the attack... or lose

DDA

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Hello again all,

I know a lot of people here don't like Sanders on DP, however, I wanted to see what everyone things about my reason on why I think Sanders will LOSE the DNC primary.

As usual, I've made a more detailed video on the topic, which you can find here

But in summary, I believe that despite of his popularity of his message and it resonating with the American people, because of his unwillingness to play the more cut throat political game of character assassination (and the like) against Clinton, he will ultimately lose the primary.

Politics, unfortunately, isn't just about policy, in the US, as well as the UK, it's about presentation, showmanship and robustness. The GOP are masters of this; and as a result they are able to often win, despite becoming ever more extreme and detached from the US population as a whole.

As he can not hope to convert die hard Clinton drones based on policy, he can therefore only gain so many supporters. To detract these supporters, he must be willing to throw a bit of mud and smear her. He's got to erode the support of those Clinton supporters who are on the fence, and to do this he should hit them with a bit of mud, so even if they don't fall on his side, they'll at least won't fall on Clinton's side.

I know that people will say that this might put off some supporters...but he needs to take that risk, or lose.

:peace
 
Sanders seems to be doing a fine job, and has far better numbers and chances than "the experts" gave him credit for when he announced.
 
He has almost no chance but the only one he has is to take Hillary out. I dont think he has it in him, he wants to talk policy and he has a code of civility that will not allow it.
 
Sanders needs to go on the attack... or lose
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nope.

first, he's going to lose anyway. second, if he becomes the typical asshole negative candidate, i won't even bother to vote for him after he drops out. part of what makes him so appealing is that he's doing it correctly, and if that doesn't work, then it's our fault, not his.
 
To the contrary his biggest strength is willingness to stay above nasty mudslinging. And he has a large following for that reason. I know republicans that respect him for that.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
He has almost no chance but the only one he has is to take Hillary out. I dont think he has it in him, he wants to talk policy and he has a code of civility that will not allow it.
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And he WANTS Hillary to win the general if he cannot win the nomination. He's no fool.
 
iguanaman said:
And he WANTS Hillary to win the general if he cannot win the nomination. He's no fool.
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I dont think he wants to be President, he wants to lecture America. If he did want to be President he would have done different things.


I think we can all agree that he has no chance so long as Hillary is Viable, but it is not clear that she will be. He might get the nomination by default, charges might happen. Russia or China proving that they hacked her personal server with top secret info on it might happen.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Sanders seems to be doing a fine job, and has far better numbers and chances than "the experts" gave him credit for when he announced.
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He still has the same chance he had when we announced, zero
 
OrphanSlug said:
Sanders seems to be doing a fine job, and has far better numbers and chances than "the experts" gave him credit for when he announced.
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He is indeed doing a fine job and it's true the "experts" still are underestimating him, but don't you think it's about time he starts spend more time denouncing Clintons positions rather than just repeat his?
 
Crovax said:
He still has the same chance he had when we announced, zero
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If you honestly think that a Sanders equal to or just behind in Iowa and winning in New Hampshire has just as much chance of winning as a pre announced Sanders...you must be either disingenuous or ignorant

I bet you thought the same about Obama....
 
Helix said:
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first, he's going to lose anyway. second, if he becomes the typical asshole negative candidate, i won't even bother to vote for him after he drops out. part of what makes him so appealing is that he's doing it correctly, and if that doesn't work, then it's our fault, not his.
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Need I remind you that Trump, the epitome of a negative arsehole candidate, is winning in the GOP primary.

I'm not saying for Sanders to become a Donald Sanders (sounds like a fastfood chain) or anything, but to just take a page or at least a few sentences out of his book
 
DDA said:
If you honestly think that a Sanders equal to or just behind in Iowa and winning in New Hampshire has just as much chance of winning as a pre announced Sanders...you must be either disingenuous or ignorant

I bet you thought the same about Obama....
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This isnt 2008. Hillary has a much bigger lead of Sanders than she ever did over Obama. Nearly every single elected democrat supports her, only one other candidate has ever had that much party support GWB in 2000. Guess what? he still lost 7 states. So I wouldnt be surprised if Bernie wins 10 states but thats not going to get him the nomination or anywhere close.

Why is Bernie doing so good in Iowa and NH? those are two of the most white liberal states, the only whiter more liberal state is Sanders home state of Vermont.

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DDA said:
Need I remind you that Trump, the epitome of a negative arsehole candidate, is winning in the GOP primary.
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good for him. need i remind you that Sanders is a different candidate in a different party with different constituents?

DDA said:
I'm not saying for Sanders to become a Donald Sanders (sounds like a fastfood chain) or anything, but to just take a page or at least a few sentences out of his book
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if we as voters are so petty that we can't vote for a candidate who is all about ideas instead of negative drama, then that's on us. here's the thing, though : you assume that if he goes negative all of the sudden, it will help him to win the primary. i don't agree with that assumption at all.
 
He is doing as well as Obama was at this point. History is repeating itself with Hillary. She is no more honest or likeable now than she was in 2008. It is a referendum on Hillary and that is not her strong suit.
 
Helix said:
good for him. need i remind you that Sanders is a different candidate in a different party with different constituents?



if we as voters are so petty that we can't vote for a candidate who is all about ideas instead of negative drama, then that's on us. here's the thing, though : you assume that if he goes negative all of the sudden, it will help him to win the primary. i don't agree with that assumption at all.
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He doesn't even have to go negative in the way you think about it. Something as honest, simple yet strong is all I'm asking. E.g:

"Hillary voted for the Iraq war; that vote helped cost the US $2 trillion, thousands of our own troops, hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi lives and helped create the isis.*play old clip of clinton speaking for the war*. Who was right for American then? *show sanders speaking against* Who has and always had the best judgment? *crowds cheering holding bernie signs*
Or
The banks cost the economy trillions of $$ *show Clinton supporting the banks*. *show news reels of economic crash* Bernie has stood up to the bsnks. *show him arguing with Bernanke and others* Clinton has personally received money from the banks and her campaign is funded by them too *show charts* Do you reeeally think she'll stand up to the banks?

Those kinds of ads would be nice to see, and it's all true.

Atm sanders barely mentions her by nsme when talking about these things
 
DDA said:
He is indeed doing a fine job and it's true the "experts" still are underestimating him, but don't you think it's about time he starts spend more time denouncing Clintons positions rather than just repeat his?
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Um no.
 
DDA said:
Hello again all,

I know a lot of people here don't like Sanders on DP, however, I wanted to see what everyone things about my reason on why I think Sanders will LOSE the DNC primary.

As usual, I've made a more detailed video on the topic, which you can find here

But in summary, I believe that despite of his popularity of his message and it resonating with the American people, because of his unwillingness to play the more cut throat political game of character assassination (and the like) against Clinton, he will ultimately lose the primary.

Politics, unfortunately, isn't just about policy, in the US, as well as the UK, it's about presentation, showmanship and robustness. The GOP are masters of this; and as a result they are able to often win, despite becoming ever more extreme and detached from the US population as a whole.

As he can not hope to convert die hard Clinton drones based on policy, he can therefore only gain so many supporters. To detract these supporters, he must be willing to throw a bit of mud and smear her. He's got to erode the support of those Clinton supporters who are on the fence, and to do this he should hit them with a bit of mud, so even if they don't fall on his side, they'll at least won't fall on Clinton's side.

I know that people will say that this might put off some supporters...but he needs to take that risk, or lose.

:peace
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No Hillary supporter here, but Sanders is just too far left for most Libs and that is that.
 
Casper said:
No Hillary supporter here, but Sanders is just too far left for most Libs and that is that.
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I think that's too simplistic of an explanation. Don't you think Clintons huge name recognition has anything to do with her popularity? Sanders positions all poll extremely well will Americans, but particularly dems and libs, on what basis is he far too liberal for libs?
 
I think too many people are playing the "willfully ignorant" game when it comes to Bernie Sanders and his SOCIALIST label. America already has many beneficial social programs in place.

Social Security - Medicaid - Food Stamps - Student Loans - Public Libraries - Public Health Facilities - Corporate/Business Subsidies - Public Parks - GI Bill ................. etc. etc. etc.

This is where many conservatives are off base in regards to Sanders.
 
DDA said:
Hello again all,

I know a lot of people here don't like Sanders on DP, however, I wanted to see what everyone things about my reason on why I think Sanders will LOSE the DNC primary.

As usual, I've made a more detailed video on the topic, which you can find here

But in summary, I believe that despite of his popularity of his message and it resonating with the American people, because of his unwillingness to play the more cut throat political game of character assassination (and the like) against Clinton, he will ultimately lose the primary.

Politics, unfortunately, isn't just about policy, in the US, as well as the UK, it's about presentation, showmanship and robustness. The GOP are masters of this; and as a result they are able to often win, despite becoming ever more extreme and detached from the US population as a whole.

As he can not hope to convert die hard Clinton drones based on policy, he can therefore only gain so many supporters. To detract these supporters, he must be willing to throw a bit of mud and smear her. He's got to erode the support of those Clinton supporters who are on the fence, and to do this he should hit them with a bit of mud, so even if they don't fall on his side, they'll at least won't fall on Clinton's side.

I know that people will say that this might put off some supporters...but he needs to take that risk, or lose.

:peace
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Sanders doesn't believe in winning. The End.
 
Casper said:
No Hillary supporter here, but Sanders is just too far left for most Libs and that is that.
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That's not the case--there are many legitimate democratic socialists who won't vote for Sanders because they know that just because Sanders claims to be a democratic socialist, the country would not necessarily end up that way if he were Pres; they recognize that there are corporate beasts that would merely exploit Sanders' socialist bent to turn the country toward complete plutocratic socialism -- the worst kind.
 
DDA said:
I think that's too simplistic of an explanation. Don't you think Clintons huge name recognition has anything to do with her popularity? Sanders positions all poll extremely well will Americans, but particularly dems and libs, on what basis is he far too liberal for libs?
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Many Libs are against more spending, higher taxes and circumventing the 2nd A.
 
Casper said:
Many Libs are against more spending, higher taxes and circumventing the 2nd A.
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Those things are all Conservative principles, I'm not saying a liberal can't be against with any one of those things, but I don't think they'd actually be a liberal if they were against all of them, as many lib policy's advocate or would require one of those things to happen.

Besides, Sanders policies are massively popular with left and right wingers, so whatever strange kinds of libs he'd possibly lose because of his views, he'd gain many fold else where
 
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