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Bernie Can't Please the "Give Me More" Crowd

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Good example shown in the article below of why Bernie is doomed to fail. No matter how much he offers, it's never enough. Coates bemoans that Sanders is against reparations. Sheesh.

When a candidate points to high unemployment among black youth, as well as high incarceration rates, and then dubs himself a radical, it seems prudent to ask what radical anti-racist policies that candidate actually embraces. Hillary Clinton has no interest in being labeled radical, left-wing, or even liberal. Thus announcing that Clinton doesn’t support reparations is akin to announcing that Ted Cruz doesn’t support a woman’s right to choose. The position is certainly wrong. But it is hardly a surprise, and doesn't run counter to the candidate’s chosen name.

...Sanders’s basic approach is to ameliorate the effects of racism through broad, mostly class-based policies—doubling the minimum wage, offering single-payer health-care, delivering free higher education. This is the same “A rising tide lifts all boats” thinking that has dominated Democratic anti-racist policy for a generation. Sanders proposes to intensify this approach. But Sanders’s actual approach is really no different than President Obama’s. I have repeatedly stated my problem with the “rising tide” philosophy when embraced by Obama and liberals in general. (See here, here, here, and here.) Again, briefly, treating a racist injury solely with class-based remedies is like treating a gun-shot wound solely with bandages. The bandages help, but they will not suffice.

Ta-Nehisi Coates on Bernie Sanders and the Liberal Imagination - The Atlantic


Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie....
 
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I'm not sure why Coates wanting Sanders to develop policies that fit his interests makes him any more worthy of derision than others who have asked Sanders to do the same thing...

In any case, I agree with Coates. I would like to see a deeper understanding from Sanders of race and racism. He does seem to be getting better though. I liked that he said that the DOJ should investigate every time a police officers kills a citizen. Of course, the financial feasibility of that policy is questionable, but then again, the only thing most people in power care about is money so if black people dying at the hands of police costs them money, maybe they'll actually do something about it.
 
I'm not sure why Coates wanting Sanders to develop policies that fit his interests makes him any more worthy of derision than others who have asked Sanders to do the same thing...

In any case, I agree with Coates. I would like to see a deeper understanding from Sanders of race and racism. He does seem to be getting better though. I liked that he said that the DOJ should investigate every time a police officers kills a citizen. Of course, the financial feasibility of that policy is questionable, but then again, the only thing most people in power care about is money so if black people dying at the hands of police costs them money, maybe they'll actually do something about it.

Without question there are racial issues that need addressed. But, reparations is certainly not one of them. In fact, it could be argued that reparations have been ongoing since about 1964.
 
Good example shown in the article below of why Bernie is doomed to fail. No matter how much he offers, it's never enough. Coates bemoans that Sanders is against reparations. Sheesh.




Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie....

More gimme or racial reparations would not fix anything like this:

We know that black families making $100,000 a year tend to live in the same kind of neighborhoods as white families making $30,000 a year.

Using race, rather than economic status, as the basis for (added?) income redistribution schemes is more divisive no matter how one tries to spin it. If this moron sees blacks making over 3X what whites do, in a given neighborhood, as a problem then it is he that has a duty to explain why more gimme, in the form of "racial reparations", would fix anything. It is odd that he neither names any alternative candidates or current office holders, at the local, state or federal level, that have "correct" policy proposals nor attempts to explain why black folks vote en masse for demorat politicians that perpetuate these "wrong" socioeconomic policies.
 
More gimme or racial reparations would not fix anything like this:



Using race, rather than economic status, as the basis for (added?) income redistribution schemes is more divisive no matter how one tries to spin it. If this moron sees blacks making over 3X what whites do, in a given neighborhood, as a problem then it is he that has a duty to explain why more gimme, in the form of "racial reparations", would fix anything. It is odd that he neither names any alternative candidates or current office holders, at the local, state or federal level, that have "correct" policy proposals nor attempts to explain why black folks vote en masse for demorat politicians that perpetuate these "wrong" socioeconomic policies.

I could not help to read this guy's tripe as an immature whine. If this is what the Left calls serious journalism (something the Atlantic purportedly champions itself as), then it's no surprise that they can't hold a candle to the Right on radio, TV or print media. That article is a bag of crap. "Bernie is not a good candidate for Blacks because he won't give us more free stuff!"
 
Without question there are racial issues that need addressed. But, reparations is certainly not one of them. In fact, it could be argued that reparations have been ongoing since about 1964.
I'm ambivalent about reparations, but I don't have a problem with Coates or anyone else supporting them.
 
If this is what the Left calls serious journalism (something the Atlantic purportedly champions itself as), then it's no surprise that they can't hold a candle to the Right on radio, TV or print media.

this is an interesting topic you've raised here regarding Bernie's appeal to black voters. it's also an interesting point you've raised that perhaps he doesn't stand a chance because his type of voter will only want more.

that said, this isn't journalism. it's an op-ed. it's just an essay written by someone with an opinion. that has nothing to do with what "the Left" (whatever "the Left" is) would refer to as journalism. anyway, that's just a little aside but something I noticed and felt ought to be commented on.
 
Without question there are racial issues that need addressed. But, reparations is certainly not one of them. In fact, it could be argued that reparations have been ongoing since about 1964.

Sanders "dubs himself as a radical"? Recent sources?

What precisely are the racial issues?
 
Sanders "dubs himself as a radical"? Recent sources?

What precisely are the racial issues?

Depends on who you ask. BLM seems to think blacks are being murdered by white cops and that no one cares. Many whites seem to think remedies for past wrongs, like affirmative action, are racist. That sort of thing.
 
this is an interesting topic you've raised here regarding Bernie's appeal to black voters. it's also an interesting point you've raised that perhaps he doesn't stand a chance because his type of voter will only want more.

that said, this isn't journalism. it's an op-ed. it's just an essay written by someone with an opinion. that has nothing to do with what "the Left" (whatever "the Left" is) would refer to as journalism. anyway, that's just a little aside but something I noticed and felt ought to be commented on.

Actually, I'm torn between two interpretations of this particular opinion piece. It reads like a shot across Bernie's bow, basically warning him that if he wants Blacks to come out for him like they did for Obama against Hillary, he better pony up. OTOH, I also see it as a possible piece showing the rest of us that Bernie is not all that far left, "See he is against reparations. He's safe to vote for."

Can't decide what it is exactly I see here. But, the "give me more" whine strikes me as the real message.
 
Depends on who you ask. BLM seems to think blacks are being murdered by white cops and that no one cares. Many whites seem to think remedies for past wrongs, like affirmative action, are racist. That sort of thing.

I'm asking you.

1. Sanders "dubs himself as a radical"? Recent sources?

2. What are the racial issues?
 
I'm asking you.

1. Sanders "dubs himself as a radical"? Recent sources?

2. What are the racial issues?

1. I didn't say he was a radical. Coates did.

2. Obviously the two I listed are two of them.
 
1. I didn't say he was a radical. Coates did.

No, Coates said Sander's calls himself a radical: "... then dubs himself a radical ..."

2. Obviously the two I listed are two of them.

I'm fairly certain data validates BLM's concerns regarding the mistreatment of black people by law enforcement, up to and including death at the hands of law enforcement.

As for affirmative action that's a double edged sword. Close friends who are black have told me that existance of affirmative action can and often does rob black people of some of the satisfaction of accomplishment, never really certain if their knowledge, skills and hard work are appreciated by their white peers. At the same time they know, we all know, that there are times when affirmative action is still needed for black people in some situations.

I'm not black. I can't speak for black people. I'd imagine they might say the over-arching issues are: prejudice, equal rights and justice. In my mind Coates attempted to trivialize the real issues while attacking Sander's platform. Coates failed.
 
No, Coates said Sander's calls himself a radical: "... then dubs himself a radical ..."



I'm fairly certain data validates BLM's concerns regarding the mistreatment of black people by law enforcement, up to and including death at the hands of law enforcement.
Avoid being shot by a cop: don't run from, point a gun at, or attack a cop

As for affirmative action that's a double edged sword. Close friends who are black have told me that existance of affirmative action can and often does rob black people of some of the satisfaction of accomplishment, never really certain if their knowledge, skills and hard work are appreciated by their white peers. At the same time they know, we all know, that there are times when affirmative action is still needed for black people in some situations.
It takes away the judge a man by the content of his character and puts everything on the color of his skin. So, by that regard, it's bad policy---as is the idea reparations, since it too focuses on skin color. Coates seems obsessed with skin color too, but that is probably his job at the Atlantic: write about race stuff.

I'm not black. I can't speak for black people. I'd imagine they might say the over-arching issues are: prejudice, equal rights and justice. In my mind Coates attempted to trivialize the real issues while attacking Sander's platform. Coates failed.
Racism is most definitely not dead. I believe Obama receives a lot of it as did/does Tiger Woods or any black man stepping into white man's territory. So, by that measure we have a long way to go. I just don't believe that guilt or blackmail (We won't vote for you unless...) is the way to get there.
 
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