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Exactly "WHAT" Is The Secret Of Trump's Popularity?[W:135]

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It is all about who gets to decide. Who gets to decide what a flag means and who gets to decide which flags are flown?

Flags, and the freedom to fly the flags we want to fly, are a big deal to the America psyche, those in power run over the peoples right to choose about their flags at their own risk.

But is there not a strict code of how, say, the US flag is flown? In particular, it must be the highest flag wherever it is flown on US soil.

As for hate flags, well, freedom of speech gives individuals the right to fly them. It does not give state and local governments that same right, such as with the now banned Confederate license plates from Texas.
 
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Our celebrity worship culture. He is entertaining, and people want to be entertained. Same reason for the Kardashians popularity.
I seriously doubt it Jonny___Seriously!

The majority of the people that support Trump have very little in common with those of the "celebrity worship culture"_

In fact; the reality-tv/Kardashian followers are predominantly the younger liberal minded types, such as millennials_

Which is not a "generational characteristic" that sensible rational millennials such as myself are particularly proud of_ :bag:

It's not. He surged in popularity right after the Hate Flag was brought down from the South Carolina capitol after flying for decades. And Black Lives Matter. And fresh memories of the Baltimore riot and Ferguson riot. He has tapped into the deep fears of the straight cis white male, the fears of having to share this nation with Hispanics, Muslims, Blacks, liberals, and other people whom they do not consider to be people. He has done so by openly voicing this hate speech,
Here-in lies our dilemma:yt Please; read again what you have written here very carefully_

Liberals by nature view every disagreement as either black or white; with no areas for grey_

All of their life decisions, solutions, politics and judgments are literally based on raw emotion_

Everything bad is entirely the result of either fear, racism, greed, phobias, intolerance or hate_

While everything good is rooted in concern, selflessness, compassion, understanding and love_

Are you up for some fun in the interest of ideo-political honesty? :2wave:

Liberals don't understand that what they see as hate is actually the difficult realization that the only viable solution to a serious problem might result in a unavoidable high cost to a person or group that is either; involved, possibly involved, or could become involved_

Let's scale a situation down from a national threat to a personal threat to create a more manageable scenario_

The Scenario: Let's suppose you have a wife and children and like most men you feel responsible for their safety_

Local news has reported for 6 months that a group of marauding Syrian refugees have been beating and robbing people_

And as the result of a record breaking blizzard, all roads have become impassable bringing all ground and air travel to a halt and knocked out all communications as well_

And late on the night of that blizzard a group men looking very middle eastern show up outside your door and tell you they are out of gas and stranded in the cold and ask you to let them in till the storm passes_

You know from experience that a school 2 miles down the road is used as a community shelter during emergencies_

Do you let them in? or send them walking 2 miles down the road in deep snow and blizzard conditions to the shelter?
And please do not extenuate the scenario in hope that your answer will better prioritize your family_

If you truly believe in your beliefs; then let the scenario be what it is and the same for your answer!

which removes one of racists' whites biggest phobias: Having their racism called out.
I doubt too many "whites" are all that concerned about "having their racism called out" these days_

It has been happening so regularly, for so long that the stigma of being labeled a "racist" has worn off_

Sorta like the boy who cried wolf repeatedly until one day a wolf ate him as the people ignored his cries_

Empirica, it is not my place to tell you how to vote, but how you, as a woman, could even consider supporting that buffoon is beyond me. You might want to stop for a second and listen to how he (and many of his followers) talks about women.
Elections are about priorities and considering the enormity of the problems and seriousness of the threats our nation is currently facing; women's rights and male chauvinism are pretty far down the list of priorities in this election_
 
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Here-in lies our dilemma:yt Please; read again what you have written here very carefully_

Liberals by nature view every disagreement as either black or white; with no areas for grey_

The irony meter just exploded with the force of a nuclear bomb.

And please stop using all the highlighting, bold font, and color effects. It makes your posts even more difficult to read.

P.S. OK I couldn't pass this up:

Liberals don't understand that what they see as hate is actually the difficult realization that the only viable solution to a serious problem might result in a unavoidable high cost to a person or group that is either; involved, possibly involved, or could become involved_

What in the actual **** ?? Did you seriously just go Final Solution on us??
 
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And please don't try to tell me that Trump's popularity is a myth!

Trump is a political phenomenon and his popularity is growing daily!

People say his popularity will burn out before November when it counts!

Who knows, they might be right; but for now he is Red Hot and getting hotter!

But why? What about Trump has people so excited? What is the key to his success?

I'm pretty sure I know what it's not:

It's not his good looks or political prowess!

It's not his money cause he's not about to share it!

It's not his foreign policy, which is questionable at the most!

It's not his plan to defeat terrorism, which is sketchy at its best!

It's not his fix for the economy, which is simply his mastery of "the art of the deal"!

It's not his campaign slogan to "Make America Great Again" although it is quite catchy!

What it is Is his campaign promise to deport every illegal alien in the United States; despite the Main Stream Media, Democrat Party and Republican Establishment telling him and his supporters that it's literally impossible to deport 11 million illegal aliens!

Too many Americans have now come to the realizition that illegal immigration is the United States' most serious 21st Century threat and as long as government continues to allow illegal aliens to remain in the United States; millions more will continue to follow!

Ever since Donald Trump first made public his solution for illegal immigration his popularity has exploded!

So; if the "Powers That Be" want to get rid of Donald Trump they should stop telling America that it's impossible to deport 11 million illegals and get busy deporting 11 million illegals; although the number is very likely a whole lot closer to 20 million!

He plays to the lowest common denominator. Trash TV- leave no viewer behind.
America is in big trouble if people from the right side of the bell curve throw their better instincts aside to vote for him.
 
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He plays to the lowest common denominator. Trash TV- leave no viewer behind.
America is in big trouble if people from the right side of the bell curve throw their better instincts aside to vote for him.
That's pretty much true but I'll expand upon it. Trump gives a faux perception of honesty and concern for the common person, that the segment of voters that don't analyze actual policy proposals get hoodwinked by.

Talking tough and making it appear that Isis is gong to take over America plays into these people's fears. Deamonizing Obama, who has actually done a good job righting the economy; implimenting financial reform; instituted health care reform and gave us a positive environmental policy, as "destroying America" also plays to the low information voters.
 
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What were BO's qualifications? That he was the anti-Bush and, oh yes, his skin color was black.
What I meant was:what were the qualifications some dems needed to vote for BO? Skin color and being anti-Bush.
 
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I seriously doubt it Jonny___Seriously!

The majority of the people that support Trump have very little in common with those of the "celebrity worship culture"_

In fact; the reality-tv/Kardashian followers are predominantly the younger liberal minded types, such as millennials_

Which is not a "generational characteristic" that sensible rational millennials such as myself are particularly proud of_ :bag:

You would be wrong___________SERIOULSY. Go ask anyone to name to 10 actors. Then 10 presidents.
 
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What I meant was:what were the qualifications some dems needed to vote for BO? Skin color and being anti-Bush.

Dont forget hope. And also change.
 
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Dont forget hope. And also change.
There's some real explanations of the nuts and bolts of his policies, right there!
 
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The irony meter just exploded with the force of a nuclear bomb.

And please stop using all the highlighting, bold font, and color effects. It makes your posts even more difficult to read.
These tools actually help you much more than you'll ever realize__especially being a liberal!

P.S. OK I couldn't pass this up:
What in the actual **** ?? Did you seriously just go Final Solution on us??
Wow, such drama! :giggle1:

Comparing such things as deporting illegal aliens to exterminating 6 million innocent people; is so classic-liberal_

I'm talking about doing whats best for the national interests of America and Americans and their future generations_

And doing what's best doesn't entail the murder, torture, beating or enslavement of any person or group, by America_

He plays to the lowest common denominator. Trash TV- leave no viewer behind.
It only appears this way because folks have never known a non-politician candidate to advance as far as Trump_

Trump style supporters find this refreshing but people stuck in the muck of groomed rehearsed politicians hate it_

America is in big trouble if people from the right side of the bell curve throw their better instincts aside to vote for him.

Its all about voters recognizing the actual problems and solutions confronting our nation_

And then it's simply a matter of finding and supporting the candidates that agree with you_

But basing your decision on the nicest or smartest or most experienced candidate is a waste_

You would be wrong___________SERIOULSY. Go ask anyone to name to 10 actors. Then 10 presidents.
I'm pretty sure most people, left or right and regardless of age, can name off 10 actors_

But I doubt many people, left or right and regardless of age, could name off 10 presidents_

And just because someone can name off 10 actors isn't an indication they worship any of them_

Any more than not being able to name off 10 presidents is an indication they hate presidents_
 
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These tools actually help you much more than you'll ever realize__especially being a liberal!

Wow, such drama! :giggle1:

Ka-BOOM, there just went another irony meter.

Comparing such things as deporting illegal aliens to exterminating 6 million innocent people; is so classic-liberal_

I'm talking about doing whats best for the national interests of America and Americans and their future generations_

And doing what's best doesn't entail the murder, torture, beating or enslavement of any person or group, by America_

It only appears this way because folks have never known a non-politician candidate to advance as far as Trump_

Trump style supporters find it refreshing but people stuck in the muck of groomed rehearsed politicians hate it_



Its all about voters recognizing the actual problems and solutions confronting our nation_

And then it's simply a matter of finding and supporting the candidates that agree with you_

But basing your decision on the nicest or smartest or most experienced candidate is a waste_

I'm pretty sure most people, left or right and regardless of age, can name off 10 actors_

But I doubt many people, left or right and regardless of age, could name off 10 presidents_

Obama, W. Bush, Clinton, H.W. Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, LBJ, JFK, Eisenhower, FDR. Oh you said ten. My bad.

And just because someone can name off 10 actors isn't an indication they worship any of them_

Any more than not being able to name off 10 presidents is an indication they hate presidents_

Question. Are you Sarah Palin, by chance?
 
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aste_

I'm pretty sure most people, left or right and regardless of age, can name off 10 actors_

But I doubt many people, left or right and regardless of age, could name off 10 presidents_

And just because someone can name off 10 actors isn't an indication they worship any of them_

Any more than not being able to name off 10 presidents is an indication they hate presidents_

Thats the definition of celebrity worship culture when most of america knows more about Kim Kardashian and Abraham Lincoln_

Tump is the culmination of reality tv programming_

He literally is a reality tv star_
 
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Ever since Donald Trump first made public his solution for illegal immigration his popularity has exploded!

So; if the "Powers That Be" want to get rid of Donald Trump they should stop telling America that it's impossible to deport 11 million illegals and get busy deporting 11 million illegals; although the number is very likely a whole lot closer to 20 million!

IMO, Trump's appeal has little or nothing to do with issues. It has to do with his being a charismatic leader.

Trump fits many of the attributes of such leaders. He is "opposed to the status quo," he is willing to incur "great personal risk" (reputational risk by stating he does not "care" if his remarks are "politically incorrect"), his conduct is "unconventional or counternormative", and strongly articulates his vision.

His followers "accept unconditionally" Trump's vision and that unconditional support is the reason that Trump commands "brand loyalty" no matter how outrageous or extreme his rhetoric, policy proposals, and conduct. The unconditional nature of that support undercuts the kind of pragmatic questioning and loss of support one would typically see when a candidate diverges into extreme perspectives and policies. It precludes any serious questioning about the radical shift from his own past political positions.

If one were mainly dealing with issues, any one of the other candidates who holds similar views would be running well ahead of Trump. For example, Senator Cruz's immigration position is almost identical to Trump's. Yet, it is Trump, not Cruz, who has a comfortable edge in most of their state-by-state match-ups and in national polls. Even as Cruz has correctly pointed to the recent vintage of Trump's "conservatism," that reality has made no difference. Trump's charisma has brought him unconditional support and that unconditional support has built a firewall around him that has withstood Trump's rhetorical excess, pettiness, conduct, etc.
 
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Ka-BOOM, there just went another irony meter.

Obama, W. Bush, Clinton, H.W. Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, LBJ, JFK, Eisenhower, FDR. Oh you said ten. My bad.

Question. Are you Sarah Palin, by chance?
"I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think,

well,

if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left."


~Margaret Thatcher~
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You obviously have not a single political argument left___bye-bye!
 
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"I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think,

well,

if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left."


~Margaret Thatcher~
******************


You obviously have not a single political argument left___bye-bye!

Already? Welp, I guess we're done, then.
 
re: Exactly "WHAT" Is The Secret Of Trump's Popularity?[W:135]

I think this is a pretty good take on the source of Trump's popularity among the GOP base: The Triumph of the Will

When I first wrote about this a dozen years ago I called it the "bitch slap theory of politics." I'm no longer comfortable using that phrase. But I do think the heavily gendered, violent nature of that phrase is one of the only ways to really capture the nature of what's happening in these dramas.

Take Trump's evisceration of Jeb Bush.

Trump's comment about Jeb's being "weak", "low energy", "pitiful" ... these are demeaning and denigrating phrases. They seem frankly gross, with an emotional tenor we'd expect from street toughs or frat boys trash talking each other. It's raw and primal and all about dominating by denigrating. But what has really hurt Bush is not so much that Trump is calling him names. It's that Trump has used these attacks to demonstrate that Jeb is unable or unwilling to defend himself. Trump hits him and Jeb takes it. His responses are hapless and weak and generally meaningless. You probably barely remember them. The impact of this is not tied to Trump calling Bush "weak." Trump is engineering encounters that show that Bush is weak.
That was a dozen years ago. But this driving force of Republican politics has only become more salient and central as the GOP has become increasingly dominated by core constituencies animated by anger and resentment that things to which they believe they are entitled are being taken away from them.

Trump doesn't apologize. He hurts people and they go away. He says things that would kill a political mortal (ban members of an entire religion from entering the country) and yet he doesn't get hurt. Virtually everything Trump has done over the last six months, whether it's a policy proposal or personal attack, has driven home this basic point: Trump is strong. He does things other people can't.

This is why Trump has so shaken up and so dominated the GOP primary cycle, at least thus far. As I've said, this kind of dominance symbolism is pervasive in GOP politics. It's not new with Trump at all. Most successful Republican politicians speak this language. And yet somehow for most it is nonetheless a second language. But it's Trump's native language. I still believe it's rooted in the mix of the hyper-aggressive New York real estate world, his decades of immersion in the city's febrile tabloid culture and just being, at the most basic level, a bully. Wherever it comes from, he seems to intuitively get that for this constituency and at this moment just demonstrating that he gets his way, always, is all that really matters. Policy details, protecting the candidate through careful press releases and structured media opportunities ... none of that matters. Trump doesn't kiss babies. Babies kiss him. He doesn't have a billionaire backer; he is a billionaire. Trump doesn't ask for support. He just tells you that you need to stop being a loser and get on board.
 
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I think this is a pretty good take on the source of Trump's popularity among the GOP base: The Triumph of the Will

I don't think the right has figured out yet that the more they try to get rid of Trump, the stronger he gets. If they had just left Trump out on the vine to die by himself, he would be dead already.
 
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Can you give us an example or two of Obama sidestepping the constitution?
Jeeze, how did I not see this piece of tripe?
Off the top of my head, I'll give you two examples of BO sidestepping The Constitution that deal ONLY WITH ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.
(1)BO's administration is encouraging Syrian immigrants to immigrate to US states without notifying, at the least, the state's governor. Even after state legislatures have banned allowing illegal immigrants. Even after congress passed a federal law to prohibit illegal immigration into the US.
(2)BO's administration is allowing sanctuary cities to continue to receive federal funds even after the cities refuse to follow federal law and allow ICE to investigate and/or prosecute undocumenteds.
(3)BO's administration has discouraged ICE and border patrol (until, what, 1 year left in his 8 years as president) from prosecuting aliens attempting to cross the border.

Oops, that was 3 wasn't it? Off the top of my head.
 
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It's not. He surged in popularity right after the Hate Flag was brought down from the South Carolina capitol after flying for decades. And Black Lives Matter. And fresh memories of the Baltimore riot and Ferguson riot. He has tapped into the deep fears of the straight cis white male, the fears of having to share this nation with Hispanics, Muslims, Blacks, liberals, and other people whom they do not consider to be people. He has done so by openly voicing this hate speech, which removes one of racists' whites biggest phobias: Having their racism called out.

The factors you cite are relevant, but not for the reasons you think they are. In the four things you mention, the flag, BLM, and the two riots, what was the underlying theme?

Racism and white supremacy.

The problem is -- the people accused of being racists, were typically not. Some, of course, were...but very few. Therein lies Trump's appeal -- he saw a large sector of Americans being unfairly labeled (and shamed), and he played on those emotions. The Flag had no meaning other than that given it, and the vast majority of Southerners who enjoyed it were not racist. When they were accused of being so, however, they took exception. Same thing with the Ferguson riot. It stemmed out of a bogus charge of an officer being racist. Same thing happened with the Zimmerman thing. I don't know about the Baltimore riot - I wasn't paying attention. BLM probably isn't a factor, since they're not too disruptive and most folks ignore them.

I think, along the lines you brought up, illegal immigration and the idea of Muslim terrorism in the US are also feeding into Trump's popularity.

None of that had to happen had our current administration actually thought enough to just talk to the American people about what was happening, instead of talking down to them. That was a huge mistake on their part.

Trump didn't rise in a vacuum. The elements were in place long before. He just used them to coalesce a following.

The Obama Administration knows they screwed up -- which is why, after Trump said he'd deport illegals, Obama made a big show of announcing how he was going to round up and deport a large number of them.


Empirica, it is not my place to tell you how to vote, but how you, as a woman, could even consider supporting that buffoon is beyond me. You might want to stop for a second and listen to how he (and many of his followers) talks about women.

I'm not a Trump fan but I can see what's happening here.

I just read that members of labor unions were also moving toward Trump.
 
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Except Trump's platform is negative, one of Fear and Anger.

No, it's Make America Great Again. Slightly more complex than Hope and Change, but only just.

That's why it's appealing. You can project whatever you like to it, it doesn't come with actual policy prescriptions, and it doesn't require you to think too much. Plus, he looks pretty competent on the reality TV show designed to make him appear so, so......
 
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Thats the definition of celebrity worship culture when most of america knows more about Kim Kardashian and Abraham Lincoln_

Tump is the culmination of reality tv programming_

He literally is a reality tv star_
In your incessant attempt to belittle Trump, let me point out I am a Trump supporter and I NEVER watched a minute of his TV show.

I do agree with Trump that America is in a bad place, right now. That right now could be the tipping point one way or the other.
 
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Hey, Howardbthiname, the reason unions are moving towards Trump is because Trump has a plan to bring more jobs to the US and, well, the socialists don't. Does your last name start with a B?
 
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Hey, HowardB..., maybe you should listen to, or find a few more pieces of data about Trump's handling of women than the 2 instances mentioned by the shock journalist Megyn Kelly. Are you as bad as Megyn Kelly in gathering data? Or do you just want to shock like her?
 
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The factors you cite are relevant, but not for the reasons you think they are. In the four things you mention, the flag, BLM, and the two riots, what was the underlying theme?

Racism and white supremacy.

The problem is -- the people accused of being racists, were typically not. Some, of course, were...but very few. Therein lies Trump's appeal -- he saw a large sector of Americans being unfairly labeled (and shamed), and he played on those emotions.

So let me get this straight.

We have in Trump a blatantly racist, xenophobic, and at times sexist candidate who has no problem voicing all of that hatred. Yet you're telling me that some of Trump's followers are his followers because they are butthurt about being called out about such hatred or enabling of it?

If that's really true, then Trump followers have even more fragile egos than I thought.
 
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