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Trump is the only candidate that can defeat Hillary

ARealConservative said:
this post is an admission of being a partisan shill.

if you think it is good that a huge portion of the voting population would turn out for Trump, you are missing the bigger picture....or your "shillyness" doesn't care about the bigger picture.
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Dude - I think you're going to have a very hard time finding ANYone on here that isn't partisan to at least some extent.

That said, I was being very truthful - PLEASE make Trump your nominee! He's already done more damage to the GOP than you think (although quite a few GOP politicos are very much aware of the damage he's doing)...and if he's your nominee, you might still keep a majority of whites, but you'll have lost the minority vote across the board - not just for now, but for decades, even after whites are no longer the majority in America.
 
It's apparent that much of the initial fear of Trump has now turned to rage and hatred as his popularity seems inpenetrable.

Trump is popular because he addresses huge issues that Americans have not been allowed to speak about such as the cultural destruction caused by open borders, the policies that send American companies overseas and put good people out of work, the intentional degredation of the American military, the much loathed dishonesty of political correctness that has turned our schools and workplaces into cesspools.

These are things that the Left will have to address if they expect to beat Trump. Labels, name calling and ridicule won't do it this time, Americans are too angry at the Left.
 
clownboy said:
Good to know you're that desperate, and I refuse to make bets with Alex Baldwin types. It's will be good enough for me that all your hatred is recorded here and can be referred back to when the world is greeting President Trump.
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No guts.Got it.
 
clownboy said:
Actually, no. Biography channel already blew your hate screed. He's been talking about his own relationship with God and religion since he was in his twenties.
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Hate? I don't hate the guy. I live in the NE, I've listened to him for decades. I went to listen to him in person a couple of times in NYC. He's a showman, he's a reality show actor. He knows how to play the crowd. And you're being played.

He's talking about his relationship with God? But the guy's whole life and his love of money and wealth goes 100% against Jesus's teaching and what Jesus preached!!

But he says he's got a good relationship with God is all you, and the Religious Right needs to believe him huh? I rest my case.
 
haymarket said:
No guts.Got it.
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Is that you Alec? Why not claim you're moving to Canada if Trump is elected?

Btw, someone with guts and who believed in their crap as you seem to, wouldn't make such a childish bet, especially one they know they'd never honor. Show your stuff - if Trump wins the presidency you leave all political forums forever. That should convey the proper petulant tone you're going for.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Hate? I don't hate the guy. I live in the NE, I've listened to him for decades. I went to listen to him in person a couple of times in NYC. He's a showman, he's a reality show actor. He knows how to play the crowd. And you're being played.

He's talking about his relationship with God? But the guy's whole life and his love of money and wealth goes 100% against Jesus's teaching and what Jesus preached!!

But he says he's got a good relationship with God is all you, and the Religious Right needs to believe him huh? I rest my case.
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Name one politician who isn't and that person never held office for more than a second. You just described campaigning 101.

And what every single evangelical knows, that you seem to have avoided knowing - we are all sinners. The crux for evangelical voters is whether the candidate knows this personally.
 
The Prophet said:
I believe that Donald Trump is the only Republican that can hope to defeat Hillary, in fact, I think he will not only beat her, but it'll be a humiliating loss for her majesty. Trump's careful to not venture to the right, as Cruz is, as in today's environment, I believe a hard right ideologue is unelectable. It'll be nearly impossible for Cruz to backtrack on any of his stances for the general, without coming off as a "flip flopper." The only thing that may be extreme about Trump is his immigration stance, but that is NOT arisen from an ideological perspective, it's all about security.
Now on why he, and only he, can defeat Hillary, is :

1. Hillary can't play the vagina card on Trump. She paid her female secretaries less then their male counterparts when she was a Senator, while Trump is an equal opportunity employer. Bill runs around on her constantly, and she hasn't taken him to task for it. Plus by rolling him out, it might show feminists that as a woman, she needs her man to make a case for her.

2. Hillary can't call Trump a warmonger. Trump is just waiting for this, so he can pounce on her about her not only voting for the Iraq war, but holding a long winded speech on the Senate floor urging her constituents to support it. Trump can then show how he opposed it from the get-go. Bam!

3. Hillary can't say he hates gays. Trump can show videos of her from her time as first lady and her failed Presidential bid in 08, where she opposed gay marriage. To my knowledge, Trump has never spoke about this issue.

4. Trump can portray her as a flip-flopper. In her 08 run, she enthusiastically supported the right to bear arms, ANY arms. Opposed to now how she wants restrictions severely undermining it.

5. Hillary will say he hates immigrants. Trump will just playback his speech where he bashed ILLEGAL immigrants. Actually, I think he's likely to increase legal immigration, as he has said.

Trump is for all intents and purposes, running a general election campaign. He has kept all social issues at a distance, as he knows that social issues are a drag on the ticket, and a loser for the general. On the Palin endorsement, I don't know how that will play out, but I think she'll be pretty much pushed to the sidelines come the general.
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You poor poor deluded fool. Democrats want Trump to win the primary the same reason Republicans want Sanders to win the primary. A Trump primary victory ensures democrats wins the main election and a Sanders primary victory only ensures the Republicans win the main election. If you think the liberal media hit Trump with everything then you ain't seen nothing yet. If Trump wins the primary we are going to see stories of little old ladies whose homes he took, stories asking why isn't Trump charged with bribery, interviews of alleged black employees having to hide whenever Trump arrived at his casinos and anything else they can demonize Trump with. Right now the media is being nice to him having him on Saturday Night Live, Late night talk shows, having rival republican candidates promote Trump by asking candidates questions about Trump, and **** they use to promote Trump. That is because they want Trump to win the primary. Trump is also a progressive, so should hell freeze over and the democrats loose the main election they still get a progressive with Trump.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Dude - I think you're going to have a very hard time finding ANYone on here that isn't partisan to at least some extent.

That said, I was being very truthful - PLEASE make Trump your nominee! He's already done more damage to the GOP than you think (although quite a few GOP politicos are very much aware of the damage he's doing)...and if he's your nominee, you might still keep a majority of whites, but you'll have lost the minority vote across the board - not just for now, but for decades, even after whites are no longer the majority in America.
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you want a large percent of the population to support a racist xenophobe because it allows your guy/girl to win

that is seriously ****ed up thinking. I would even argue it is a sign of sociopathic behavior.
 
clownboy said:
And what every single evangelical knows, that you seem to have avoided knowing - we are all sinners. The crux for evangelical voters is whether the candidate knows this personally.
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So they are going to vote for Trump because he knows he's a sinner? And he's repentant for his sins? He no longer swears? He no long flaunts and brags about his wealth? He sold his casinos and strip clubs?

You honest to God believe this? Or are you trolling us here?
 
ARealConservative said:
you want a large percent of the population to support a racist xenophobe because it allows your guy/girl to win

that is seriously ****ed up thinking. I would even argue it is a sign of sociopathic behavior.
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Um, no. I'd call it "trying to break the conservatives' fever dream"...because if Trump is nominated, he'll get crushed. Would it be a Reagan-level landslide? No...but he'd still get soundly defeated...and hopefully, once that happens, the establishment Republicans will figure out a way to take back their party from the tea-party idiots who've turned it into a crazy-train ride. Maybe then they'd figure out that yeah, it's better to shut down the (very vocal but still a small minority) xenophobes in the party and instead getting back to looking out for all the people, not just the ones that the xenophobes like.
 
jamesrage said:
You poor poor deluded fool. Democrats want Trump to win the primary the same reason Republicans want Sanders to win the primary. A Trump primary victory ensures democrats wins the main election and a Sanders primary victory only ensures the Republicans win the main election. If you think the liberal media hit Trump with everything then you ain't seen nothing yet. If Trump wins the primary we are going to see stories of little old ladies whose homes he took, stories asking why isn't Trump charged with bribery, interviews of alleged black employees having to hide whenever Trump arrived at his casinos and anything else they can demonize Trump with. Right now the media is being nice to him having him on Saturday Night Live, Late night talk shows, having rival republican candidates promote Trump by asking candidates questions about Trump, and **** they use to promote Trump. That is because they want Trump to win the primary. Trump is also a progressive, so should hell freeze over and the democrats loose the main election they still get a progressive with Trump.
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I'd expect that the dems are already building a stone bucket they can leverage against Trump in the media. However, they have a problem, he's hidden NONE of it. AND he has a large bevy of Hollywood and NY luminaries ready to testify, and take press time, that he has confessed his sins publically and been forgiven. They can't even hang the racist thing on him as anyone who has ever watched The Apprentice will tell you. Having the reality show has absolutely shielded him from most of these charges.

On the other hand, Hillary has hidden all of her boondoggles and they are one by one being exposed as she ducks and weaves furiously for all to see.
 
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SenorXm/Sirius said:
So they are going to vote for Trump because he knows he's a sinner? And he's repentant for his sins? He no longer swears? He no long flaunts and brags about his wealth? He sold his casinos and strip clubs?

You honest to God believe this? Or are you trolling us here?
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I'm not an evangelical voter. I'm voting for Trump because he says what I've been dying to hear a national politician say. I believe he'll always put America first in global negotiations.

But the rest of that question you asked betrays how little you understand the evangelicals.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Um, no. I'd call it "trying to break the conservatives' fever dream"...because if Trump is nominated, he'll get crushed. .
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trump's nomination means more then a liberal victory, it means a rise of some truly horrific views. I would question the sanity of anyone that wants such an event to transpire.
 
ARealConservative said:
trump's nomination means more then a liberal victory, it means a rise of some truly horrific views. I would question the sanity of anyone that wants such an event to transpire.
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Somebody needs to break y'all's fever dream. Somebody needs to make the conservative rank-and-file step back and say, "hey - have we really gone this far down the crazy-train road???"

What I want far more than a liberal victory - and I'm not kidding about this - is for the conservatives to return to what they once were, a party that supported the voting rights act, a party that knew better than to march on Baghdad, a party that knew to listen when the overwhelming majority of the world's scientists were all telling them the same thing.

I've said before that I understand to some extent why Reagan said that he didn't leave the Democratic party, but the Democratic party left him. More and more, it seems like I didn't leave the GOP as much as the GOP left me. I don't know if you recall, but I've posted many times that I hold Bush 41 as having been a very good president, and I give him more credit for the 90's economic boom than Clinton. I've posted many times that Reagan was one of our top five presidents ever.

Seeing all that, does it look like I'm just another "liberal shill"? What liberal shill would say such things?

Bring the REAL Republican party back, the one that gave a damn about the poor, the one that knew when to stand up for principle...and when to be pragmatic. I want the GOP that knew how and when to compromise, like Reagan's bromance with Tip O'Neill.

But the GOP of today? No. The GOP of today is closer to Mussolini-style fascism than it is to the party of Reagan, Bush 41, and Bob Dole.
 
clownboy said:
I believe he'll always put America first in global negotiations.
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So his 35% tax on overseas US companies is a good idea? Him pissing off and threatening our trading partners is good? I guess you won't mind paying $5,000 for the computer you're typing on now. That is of course if you can find 1 to buy. Words have consequences. The US doesn't live in a vacuum, we actually have to deal with other countries.

clownboy said:
But the rest of that question you asked betrays how little you understand the evangelicals.
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I understand them, and their belief in family values very well. Trump ain't their kind of guy.

He's trolling you guys and telling you what you want to hear.

When it gets tough and he bows out I'll be here to say 'I told you so'. But I promise I'll only say it once. ;)
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Somebody needs to break y'all's fever dream. Somebody needs to make the conservative rank-and-file step back and say, "hey - have we really gone this far down the crazy-train road???"

What I want far more than a liberal victory - and I'm not kidding about this - is for the conservatives to return to what they once were, a party that supported the voting rights act, a party that knew better than to march on Baghdad, a party that knew to listen when the overwhelming majority of the world's scientists were all telling them the same thing.

I've said before that I understand to some extent why Reagan said that he didn't leave the Democratic party, but the Democratic party left him. More and more, it seems like I didn't leave the GOP as much as the GOP left me. I don't know if you recall, but I've posted many times that I hold Bush 41 as having been a very good president, and I give him more credit for the 90's economic boom than Clinton. I've posted many times that Reagan was one of our top five presidents ever.

Seeing all that, does it look like I'm just another "liberal shill"? What liberal shill would say such things?

Bring the REAL Republican party back, the one that gave a damn about the poor, the one that knew when to stand up for principle...and when to be pragmatic. I want the GOP that knew how and when to compromise, like Reagan's bromance with Tip O'Neill.

But the GOP of today? No. The GOP of today is closer to Mussolini-style fascism than it is to the party of Reagan, Bush 41, and Bob Dole.
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If that's your true view, and it seems genuine, how can you not apply that equally to the democrats and Hillary? That includes your last statement.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
So his 35% tax on overseas US companies is a good idea? Him pissing off and threatening our trading partners is good? I guess you won't mind paying $5,000 for the computer you're typing on now. That is of course if you can find 1 to buy. Words have consequences. The US doesn't live in a vacuum, we actually have to deal with other countries.



I understand them, and their belief in family values very well. Trump ain't their kind of guy.

He's trolling you guys and telling you what you want to hear.

When it gets tough and he bows out I'll be here to say 'I told you so'. But I promise I'll only say it once. ;)
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No thanks, I don't do Apple computers. :lamo

Really though, it's as if you haven't heard a word anyone who doesn't kneejerk against Trump has said. Yes, we have to deal with other countries. I'd rather do it from strength and using genius negotiators rather than the weak stuff we've become accustomed to the last eight years. I don't want my President to level the global playing field, I want him/her to negotiate for our advantage.

And no, from what you post, you don't have one iota of understanding where it comes to evangelicals, you're literally out of your element.

You can say I told you so all you want if that happens, because odds are good you're going to be hearing it quite a lot in upcoming months and years.
 
clownboy said:
No thanks, I don't do Apple computers. :lamo

Really though, it's as if you haven't heard a word anyone who doesn't kneejerk against Trump has said. Yes, we have to deal with other countries. I'd rather do it from strength and using genius negotiators rather than the weak stuff we've become accustomed to the last eight years. I don't want my President to level the global playing field, I want him/her to negotiate for our advantage.

And no, from what you post, you don't have one iota of understanding where it comes to evangelicals, you're literally out of your element.

You can say I told you so all you want if that happens, because odds are good you're going to be hearing it quite a lot in upcoming months and years.
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Genius negotiators?

And we've only been weak the past 8 years huh? All these US companies have been moving to other countries, and these trade deals have been just happening over the past 8 years huh? Nothing like that happened before Obama? Now I know FOR SURE where you are coming from.

Good night.
 
clownboy said:
Is that you Alec? Why not claim you're moving to Canada if Trump is elected?

Btw, someone with guts and who believed in their crap as you seem to, wouldn't make such a childish bet, especially one they know they'd never honor. Show your stuff - if Trump wins the presidency you leave all political forums forever. That should convey the proper petulant tone you're going for.
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sorry - the whole ALEC thing is something I do not follow.

I put my beliefs and predictions on the line and asked you to do the same but you backed down.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Genius negotiators?

And we've only been weak the past 8 years huh? All these US companies have been moving to other countries, and these trade deals have been just happening over the past 8 years huh? Nothing like that happened before Obama? Now I know FOR SURE where you are coming from.

Good night.
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Well then you know less about me than you do about evangelical voters. And that's says a lot.

Of course it hasn't just been just the last eight years. Presidents have been bucking the will of the people on globalization and leveling the playing field since the JFK era. It's been especially heinous since Nixon. That includes Reagan. I highlighted the last eight years because that is where we start to see the real effects of that leveling.

Republicans and Democrats have been actively involved in this nonsense for quite some time. And that makes Trump an outlier - he wants America to have the advantage. He's not for leveling the playing field. And yes, he is a genius negotiator, knows how to hire and motivate other genius negotiators, whereas our most recent POTUS is a weak kitten in that regard.
 
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clownboy said:
If that's your true view, and it seems genuine, how can you not apply that equally to the democrats and Hillary? That includes your last statement.
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That's just it. The GOP moved the goalpost on their end of the field...and so the new 50-yard line is somewhere to the right of where it used to be (as Nate Silver quantified on his blog). Y'all don't seem to realize that with the exception of gay rights, the Democrats are in several respects farther to the right than they were in the 1990's. The heart of Obamacare - the individual mandate - came straight from the Heritage Foundation. Obama set a record for deportation of illegal immigrants. Under Obama, Big Oil's pumped more than ever before.

And you don't have to take my word for it - see what The American Conservative said in 2014: Obama is a Republican. Frankly, there's been a lot of liberals saying the same thing...with more than a little buyer's regret. Ezra Klein from the Washington Post said the same doggone thing.

But among conservatives, how many actually realize just how much closer to Reagan than to Bernie Sanders President Obama really is? Apparently, as far as most of you are concerned, he's the most insanely liberal politician who's ever lived (or words to that effect).

So to answer your question, seeing as how the Dems - including Obama and Hillary - are in several respects farther to the right than they were in the 1990's when I really began questioning what the GOP was doing, my complaints can't be "applied equally" - the policies of the Dems of today (again, not counting LGBT rights) are closer to what I believed as a Reagan Republican than are the policies of today's GOP.
 
clownboy said:
Well then you know less about me than you do about evangelical voters. And that's says a lot.

Of course it hasn't just been just the last eight years. Presidents have been bucking the will of the people on globalization and leveling the playing field since the JFK era. It's been especially heinous since Nixon. That includes Reagan. I highlighted the last eight years because that is where we start to see the real effects of that leveling.

Republicans and Democrats have been actively involved in this nonsense for quite some time. And that makes Trump an outlier - he wants America to have the advantage. He's not for leveling the playing field. And yes, he is a genius negotiator, knows how to hire and motivate other genius negotiators, whereas our most recent POTUS is a weak kitten in that regard.
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Trump's a genius negotiator? "If NBC doesn't pay me $5M, I won't participate in the debate!" NBC didn't pay. Was he there, or not?

And...how many bankruptcies has he had? Better yet, when it comes to negotiations, how many divorces has he had? The better negotiator a guy is, the less likely he's going to have to get divorced in the first place!
 
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