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The Trump Phenomenon: A Closer Look

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Looking further into the Trump phenomenon, it appears that some of the literature on leadership may help explain the durability of that support despite Trump's increasingly outrageous rhetoric directed at Latinos and Muslims.

From Conger's and Kanungo's "Toward a Behavioral Theory of Charismatic Leadership in Organizational Settings:"

The term charisma often is used in political science and sociology to describe a subset of leaders who "by the force of their personal abilities are capable of having profound and extraordinary effects on followers" (House & Baetz, 1979, p.399). Followers perceive the charismatic leader as one who possesses superhuman qualities and accept unconditionally the leader's mission and directives for action (Willner, 1984).

Trump fits many of the attributes set forth in the paper's framework for such leaders. He is "opposed to the status quo," he is willing to incur "great personal risk" (reputational risk by stating he does not "care" if his remarks are "politically incorrect"), his conduct is "unconventional or counternormative", and strongly articulates his vision.

Because his followers "accept unconditionally" Trump's vision, they automatically assume that his narrow experience in the real estate field makes him the strongest leader, that his description of the problems/challenges affecting the nation (ranging from "political correctness" to immigrants/Muslims) is accurate, and his policy remedies (building a wall along Mexico's border, expelling all undocumented immigrants, establishing a database for Muslims, monitoring Mosques, barring Muslim immigrants/tourists) are appropriate, even as some of those remedies raise profound ethical and constitutional issues. That unconditional support is the reason that Trump commands "brand loyalty" no matter how outrageous or extreme his rhetoric and policy proposals. The unconditional nature of that support undercuts the kind of pragmatic questioning and loss of support one would typically see when a candidate diverges into extreme perspectives and policies. It precludes any serious questioning about the radical shift from his own past political positions.

IMO, it's that phenomenon of unconditional follower loyalty that likely has insulated Trump from political destruction when he maligned John McCain, and then proceeded from there toward increasingly extreme positions. The absence of empirical support for his gloomy perspective, high cost/ineffective outcomes tied to his immigration policies, ethical and unconstitutional issues of his approach toward Muslims, and estimated $10 trillion cost of his tax proposal don't dissuade his supporters. They believe unconditionally in him and whatever ideas he may lay out. For them, reasoned and empirical arguments and objections no longer matter. They have given Trump their full commitment and they will stay with him regardless of where his crusade leads. They have internalized Trump's mission as linked to their own personal welfare.

If failure is the outcome, they will not blame Trump for that outcome. Instead, they will blame his opponents and/or society, particularly the members of society Trump has most vilified. They will see Trump's defeat as proof that the nation is in irreversible decline and that society is corrupt or worse.

All said,Trump's support is comprised of a base of passionate hard-core followers who have unconditionally committed to him. A smaller share of supporters has not offered unconditional support, but they currently see him as preferable to alternatives. Trump continues to try to build the base of unconditional supporters and skillfully points to the durability of support as offering a powerful narrative for others to join his cause.

Finally, in the larger context of Republican Party politics, all of this was avoidable had the RNC Chair had a measure of political courage to deny Trump the opportunity to run for the GOP nomination upon Trump's earlier rhetoric. Instead, fear of an a third party run by Trump and overall timidity, led to the RNC's allowing him to pursue the nomination. Trump's candidacy and the positions he is taking and articulating will shape the GOP brand in a damaging fashion. Other Republicans who lack the charisma to compete with Trump and/or the ability to frame and articulate messages clearly may object to the shifting brand, but their efforts will likely prove futile for the short- and perhaps medium-term. The GOP will face a growing risk that its alienation with Latino voters, women, and Muslims could be enduring, much as its loss of African American support has been enduring. Political timidity has high costs, especially when one allows a charismatic leader to rebrand the Party.
 
It certainly reads as an accurate synopsis to me. I'm a Green, but am somewhat sympathetic to the Trump "anti status quo" charisma. I don't like Dem or Repub politics and Trump doesn't seem to represent either one. That doesn't make him "my guy" by any means, but it surprises me that I can see a positive side to Trump.
 
I found the OP "wanting". It "explains" why Trump's supporters stick with him despite Trumps wacky plans by saying they "accept unconditionally the leader's mission and directives for action". That's merely stating an obvious fact and does nothing to explain *WHY* they accept it unconditionally.

Also I'm not buying the "charisma" argument. He has none. His personality is detestable. People overlook it because they like what he says, IOW, his message(s) allow people to overlook his personality; not the other way around
 
I found the OP "wanting". It "explains" why Trump's supporters stick with him despite Trumps wacky plans by saying they "accept unconditionally the leader's mission and directives for action". That's merely stating an obvious fact and does nothing to explain *WHY* they accept it unconditionally.

Also I'm not buying the "charisma" argument. He has none. His personality is detestable. People overlook it because they like what he says, IOW, his message(s) allow people to overlook his personality; not the other way around

His "charisma" stems from him saying what his followers believe others are afraid to say. Hence, he is perceived as having large stones. And, big balls are charismatic. :)
 
Trump is popular among Republicans because he is rich, and they think that he would make America rich. They believe that a successful business man is exactly what America needs.
And they bought into a character that Trump played on a popular tv show.
 

1. They can't prevent him from running. As far as I know, all the states have laws requiring any qualified candidate to be allowed to run for nomination in a primary.

2. Instead of psychobabbling, one could just, say, listen to his supporters. They support him because he's a man, he's not a politically correct stooge.
 
Looking further into the Trump phenomenon, it appears that some of the literature on leadership may help explain the durability of that support despite Trump's increasingly outrageous rhetoric directed at Latinos and Muslims.

From Conger's and Kanungo's "Toward a Behavioral Theory of Charismatic Leadership in Organizational Settings:"

The term charisma often is used in political science and sociology to describe a subset of leaders who "by the force of their personal abilities are capable of having profound and extraordinary effects on followers" (House & Baetz, 1979, p.399). Followers perceive the charismatic leader as one who possesses superhuman qualities and accept unconditionally the leader's mission and directives for action (Willner, 1984).

Trump fits many of the attributes set forth in the paper's framework for such leaders. He is "opposed to the status quo," he is willing to incur "great personal risk" (reputational risk by stating he does not "care" if his remarks are "politically incorrect"), his conduct is "unconventional or counternormative", and strongly articulates his vision.

Because his followers "accept unconditionally" Trump's vision, they automatically assume that his narrow experience in the real estate field makes him the strongest leader, that his description of the problems/challenges affecting the nation (ranging from "political correctness" to immigrants/Muslims) is accurate, and his policy remedies (building a wall along Mexico's border, expelling all undocumented immigrants, establishing a database for Muslims, monitoring Mosques, barring Muslim immigrants/tourists) are appropriate, even as some of those remedies raise profound ethical and constitutional issues. That unconditional support is the reason that Trump commands "brand loyalty" no matter how outrageous or extreme his rhetoric and policy proposals. The unconditional nature of that support undercuts the kind of pragmatic questioning and loss of support one would typically see when a candidate diverges into extreme perspectives and policies. It precludes any serious questioning about the radical shift from his own past political positions.

IMO, it's that phenomenon of unconditional follower loyalty that likely has insulated Trump from political destruction when he maligned John McCain, and then proceeded from there toward increasingly extreme positions. The absence of empirical support for his gloomy perspective, high cost/ineffective outcomes tied to his immigration policies, ethical and unconstitutional issues of his approach toward Muslims, and estimated $10 trillion cost of his tax proposal don't dissuade his supporters. They believe unconditionally in him and whatever ideas he may lay out. For them, reasoned and empirical arguments and objections no longer matter. They have given Trump their full commitment and they will stay with him regardless of where his crusade leads. They have internalized Trump's mission as linked to their own personal welfare.

If failure is the outcome, they will not blame Trump for that outcome. Instead, they will blame his opponents and/or society, particularly the members of society Trump has most vilified. They will see Trump's defeat as proof that the nation is in irreversible decline and that society is corrupt or worse.

All said,Trump's support is comprised of a base of passionate hard-core followers who have unconditionally committed to him. A smaller share of supporters has not offered unconditional support, but they currently see him as preferable to alternatives. Trump continues to try to build the base of unconditional supporters and skillfully points to the durability of support as offering a powerful narrative for others to join his cause.

Finally, in the larger context of Republican Party politics, all of this was avoidable had the RNC Chair had a measure of political courage to deny Trump the opportunity to run for the GOP nomination upon Trump's earlier rhetoric. Instead, fear of an a third party run by Trump and overall timidity, led to the RNC's allowing him to pursue the nomination. Trump's candidacy and the positions he is taking and articulating will shape the GOP brand in a damaging fashion. Other Republicans who lack the charisma to compete with Trump and/or the ability to frame and articulate messages clearly may object to the shifting brand, but their efforts will likely prove futile for the short- and perhaps medium-term. The GOP will face a growing risk that its alienation with Latino voters, women, and Muslims could be enduring, much as its loss of African American support has been enduring. Political timidity has high costs, especially when one allows a charismatic leader to rebrand the Party.

Wow. Very powerful.
 
I found the OP "wanting". It "explains" why Trump's supporters stick with him despite Trumps wacky plans by saying they "accept unconditionally the leader's mission and directives for action". That's merely stating an obvious fact and does nothing to explain *WHY* they accept it unconditionally.

I was explaining why Trump’s increasingly extreme rhetoric and positions have not led to the collapse of his candidacy.

The paper I cited earlier explains how such leaders nurture unconditional support. It states, in part:

…the greater the discrepancy of the goal from the status quo, the more likely followers will attribute extraordinary vision to the leader. By presenting an idealized goal to followers, a leader provides a challenge and a motivating force for change… Since the idealized goal represents a perspective shared by the followers and promises to meet their hopes and aspirations, it tends to be within the latitude of acceptance in spite of the extreme discrepancy. A leader becomes charismatic when he/she succeeds in changing his/her followers’ attitudes to accept the advocated vision…

It is the shared perspective of the charismatic leader’s idealized vision and its potential for satisfying followers’ needs that makes the leader likable. Both the perceived similarity between followers and their leader and the perceived potential of the leader to satisfy followers’ needs form the basis of their interpersonal attraction…

Charismatic personal power stems from the elitist idealized vision, the entrepreneurial advocacy of radical changes, and the depth of knowledge and expertise to help achieve desired objectives. All these personal qualities appear extraordinary to their followers, and they form the basis of charisma… Charismatic leaders…transform their followers.


The relationship between Trump’s idealized goal and his followers’ needs/desires has produced “interpersonal attraction.” With Trump skillfully and repeatedly framing his narrative to position himself as the leader who will (not just can) bring about that idealized outcome, he has fostered mutually-reinforcing support that has transformed that attraction into unconditional belief.

If one steps back and takes a look at Trump, one finds:

• Simple problem narrative: America is no longer great. It is growing weaker. It is under threat from abroad and within. People’s lives are growing more difficult.

• Simple diagnosis: America’s problems result from weak leadership that has allowed the country to be exploited by foreign state/non-state actors and within (weak culture, people who don’t share American values, etc.).

• Simple vision: He will “make America great again.”

• Simple rationale: Trump has built a great business empire. He is an extraordinary leader. His lack of political experience is an asset, because experienced political leaders brought the country to its current terrible state of affairs. Trump has built a great company. He can restore the nation’s greatness.

All of these pieces are tightly interconnected. Trump exploits public unease or dissatisfaction (which often exists in the wake of recent events that have a severe impact e.g., the Great Recession, spread of radical Islamist terrorism, etc.). He offers an idealized goal of making the nation “great gain.” He promises an outcome that has powerful appeal to his followers’ needs and desires. He articulates a message that is extreme, but against the narrative he creates that message is perceived as an example of the kind of honesty one sees in a transformational leader who has unwavering determination to bring about his/her vision. He uses his biography as proof that he will succeed.

The end result is that the intensity of support for Trump is sufficiently great that he has the latitude to take extreme policy positions without losing that support. His core followers don’t question the ethics or efficacy of his simplistic diagnoses and proposed solutions. They are sold on his message. They are inoculated against the external criticism his diagnoses and proposed solutions bring.

Of course, even charisma can be squandered over time. But that does not always happen and the bounds are large. Not surprisingly, some past charismatic leaders have carried out radical or revolutionary change that others’ might never have attempted.
 
This looks like a good place to post this.

How Republicans And Polls Enable Donald Trump | FiveThirtyEight

...the media’s obsession over the daily fluctuations in the polls — even when the polls don’t predict very much about voter behavior and don’t necessarily reflect people who are actually likely to vote — may help enable Trump. Republicans are afraid to criticize Trump in part because it rarely produces instant gratification in a “win-the-morning” political culture that keeps score based on polls.5 Without seeing any repercussions, Trump goes farther out on a limb...
 
All said,Trump's support is comprised of a base of passionate hard-core followers who have unconditionally committed to him. A smaller share of supporters has not offered unconditional support, but they currently see him as preferable to alternatives. Trump continues to try to build the base of unconditional supporters and skillfully points to the durability of support as offering a powerful narrative for others to join his cause.

Finally, in the larger context of Republican Party politics, all of this was avoidable had the RNC Chair had a measure of political courage to deny Trump the opportunity to run for the GOP nomination upon Trump's earlier rhetoric. Instead, fear of an a third party run by Trump and overall timidity, led to the RNC's allowing him to pursue the nomination. Trump's candidacy and the positions he is taking and articulating will shape the GOP brand in a damaging fashion. Other Republicans who lack the charisma to compete with Trump and/or the ability to frame and articulate messages clearly may object to the shifting brand, but their efforts will likely prove futile for the short- and perhaps medium-term. The GOP will face a growing risk that its alienation with Latino voters, women, and Muslims could be enduring, much as its loss of African American support has been enduring. Political timidity has high costs, especially when one allows a charismatic leader to rebrand the Party.
Yawn. Supporters never blame their guy for failures. Look at how many Republicans supported Bush in Iraq even though it was a complete disaster. It was years until he was out of office before Republicans would even consider criticizing his policies. Polls even show that many Republicans are blaming Obama for the federal government's disastrous Katrina response. These are a lot of words to describe phenomena that's not unique at all and it's not insightful for those who follow politics.
 
It is the shared perspective of the charismatic leader’s idealized vision and its potential for satisfying followers’ needs that makes the leader likable. Both the perceived similarity between followers and their leader and the perceived potential of the leader to satisfy followers’ needs form the basis of their interpersonal attraction…

Charismatic personal power stems from the elitist idealized vision, the entrepreneurial advocacy of radical changes, and the depth of knowledge and expertise to help achieve desired objectives. All these personal qualities appear extraordinary to their followers, and they form the basis of charisma… Charismatic leaders…transform their followers. [/i]

The relationship between Trump’s idealized goal and his followers’ needs/desires has produced “interpersonal attraction.” With Trump skillfully and repeatedly framing his narrative to position himself as the leader who will (not just can) bring about that idealized outcome, he has fostered mutually-reinforcing support that has transformed that attraction into unconditional belief.

Thanks for going into more detail. I had taken "charisma" to mean something more personal. That is, that there was something about his personality that people found appealing. Instead, this paper uses charisma to describe how a potential leaders personal characteristics (in this example, Trumps business acumen, wealth, etc) combined with an idealistic vision can create a charisma of leadership.

That makes more sense to me.
 
Looking further into the Trump phenomenon, it appears that some of the literature on leadership may help explain the durability of that support despite Trump's increasingly outrageous rhetoric directed at Latinos and Muslims.

From Conger's and Kanungo's "Toward a Behavioral Theory of Charismatic Leadership in Organizational Settings:"

The term charisma often is used in political science and sociology to describe a subset of leaders who "by the force of their personal abilities are capable of having profound and extraordinary effects on followers" (House & Baetz, 1979, p.399). Followers perceive the charismatic leader as one who possesses superhuman qualities and accept unconditionally the leader's mission and directives for action (Willner, 1984).

Trump fits many of the attributes set forth in the paper's framework for such leaders. He is "opposed to the status quo," he is willing to incur "great personal risk" (reputational risk by stating he does not "care" if his remarks are "politically incorrect"), his conduct is "unconventional or counternormative", and strongly articulates his vision.

Because his followers "accept unconditionally" Trump's vision, they automatically assume that his narrow experience in the real estate field makes him the strongest leader, that his description of the problems/challenges affecting the nation (ranging from "political correctness" to immigrants/Muslims) is accurate, and his policy remedies (building a wall along Mexico's border, expelling all undocumented immigrants, establishing a database for Muslims, monitoring Mosques, barring Muslim immigrants/tourists) are appropriate, even as some of those remedies raise profound ethical and constitutional issues. That unconditional support is the reason that Trump commands "brand loyalty" no matter how outrageous or extreme his rhetoric and policy proposals. The unconditional nature of that support undercuts the kind of pragmatic questioning and loss of support one would typically see when a candidate diverges into extreme perspectives and policies. It precludes any serious questioning about the radical shift from his own past political positions.

...
Trump is certainly charismatic. The frenzy that he works himself up to reminds me a lot of newsreels about Adolf.

If he can work his viewers into a frenzy as well then he will become a powerful and potentially dangerous POTUS.

I sure hope he does not become like Nixon and ignores the Constitution -- either letter or spirit of it.

Otherwise I look forward to Donald Trumps enthusiastic support of 2A.
 
Yeah, I dunno. Maybe that's part of it, but I believe the answer may be a bit simpler.

1) His support is nowhere near as big as it seems. He's probably only capturing about 5-6% of the US public right now. That's enough to fill a lot of stadiums, but not enough to win a primary.

1a) The media pays far more attention to him that even his polls warrant.

2) He is, for the most part, saying what those individuals want to hear. He's talking to the xenophobic wing of the Republican base.

3) I'd also say he is appealing to the people who have no tolerance for complex solutions in a complex world; no patience for processes that take a long time; no perspective on the diverse opinions of Americans.

He isn't saying things that outrage his adherents. He is still appealing to the same people.

I expect he could easily say something that would outrage his current supporters. E.g. if he said something positive about Obama, he would not be forgiven easily for that. ;)
 
I found the OP "wanting". It "explains" why Trump's supporters stick with him despite Trumps wacky plans by saying they "accept unconditionally the leader's mission and directives for action". That's merely stating an obvious fact and does nothing to explain *WHY* they accept it unconditionally.

Also I'm not buying the "charisma" argument. He has none. His personality is detestable. People overlook it because they like what he says, IOW, his message(s) allow people to overlook his personality; not the other way around

He has more charisma than any other candidate in the race. The media can't get enough of him. His appearances get record ratings.

Maybe you should look at some of his actual personal appearances and not go by those idiots at the CRACK PIPE POST.

Open your mind.

 
1) His support is nowhere near as big as it seems. He's probably only capturing about 5-6% of the US public right now. That's enough to fill a lot of stadiums, but not enough to win a primary.

Dream on. He has captured the SILENT MAJORITY. Forget the primaries. He is going to be the next president.

1a) The media pays far more attention to him that even his polls warrant.

That part is true. He OWNS the media.
2) He is, for the most part, saying what those individuals want to hear. He's talking to the xenophobic wing of the Republican base.
That's a LIE. He's probably the ONLY candidate who is telling the truth in this race. Certainly he's not pandering to the asshats like Sanders or Clinton.

3) I'd also say he is appealing to the people who have no tolerance for complex solutions in a complex world; no patience for processes that take a long time; no perspective on the diverse opinions of Americans.

Actually, Fuhrer Obama is the one who gave America's diverse opinions the finger. Trump SPEAKS for America. No other candidate does.
He isn't saying things that outrage his adherents. He is still appealing to the same people.

The SILENT MAJORITY.
I expect he could easily say something that would outrage his current supporters. E.g. if he said something positive about Obama, he would not be forgiven easily for that. ;)

He started out by being positive about Obama. He claimed that he had high hopes that Obama would unite the country. He then echoed the sentiments of most of America, that Obama is the most incompetent president in history.
 
Trump is certainly charismatic. The frenzy that he works himself up to reminds me a lot of newsreels about Adolf.

And yet, we have a president today who IS Adolf.
If he can work his viewers into a frenzy as well then he will become a powerful and potentially dangerous POTUS.

Dangerous to people who want to hurt us. I've got no problem with that.
I sure hope he does not become like Nixon and ignores the Constitution -- either letter or spirit of it.

MY GOD MAN! Obama has RAPED the Constitution so many times that the document should be renamed: the Juanita Broderick file.
 
Dream on. He has captured the SILENT MAJORITY. Forget the primaries. He is going to be the next president.



That part is true. He OWNS the media.

That's a LIE. He's probably the ONLY candidate who is telling the truth in this race. Certainly he's not pandering to the asshats like Sanders or Clinton.



Actually, Fuhrer Obama is the one who gave America's diverse opinions the finger. Trump SPEAKS for America. No other candidate does.


The SILENT MAJORITY.


He started out by being positive about Obama. He claimed that he had high hopes that Obama would unite the country. He then echoed the sentiments of most of America, that Obama is the most incompetent president in history.
Good grief.
 
And yet, we have a president today who IS Adolf.


Dangerous to people who want to hurt us. I've got no problem with that.


MY GOD MAN! Obama has RAPED the Constitution so many times that the document should be renamed: the Juanita Broderick file.

Doubling down on the stupid, I see.
 
Trump is only charismatic to the ignorant. The rest of us see that when Trump talks he has to self affirm that what he is saying is working. He says something then says it again as if to convince himself that he is right. Then he just keeps doing it, sounding like a elderly person in the early stages of dementia. That and it sounds like he spends too much time reading infowars. If Trump gets the nod perhaps he should run Alex Jones as his running mate?
 
CNN had trump supporters on this morning, trying to ascertain why they were supporting the man

there were varied reasons, but mostly it came down to the fact that he is not a bought and paid for politician

he wont cater to the money and power of the party.....

he will do and say what he wants, and to hell with how the party likes or doesnt like it

the older white lady in front was a fiery little one....

these were STAUNCH supporters....

and all said they would support him as an independent if the pubs made him run as one

that ladies and gentlemen is the support he has....

maybe it is only 25-30% of america right now....i dunno

but it is strong support, and it isnt wavering
 
all said they would support him as an independent if the pubs made him run as one

that ladies and gentlemen is the support he has....

maybe it is only 25-30% of america right now....i dunno
It's nowhere near that number, it's more like 5%. He has the support of around 25% of likely Republican primary voters.

FYI, 28% of Americans identify as Republican, and another 14% or so are Republican-leaning Independents. (Dems are 30%, 14% of Independents are Dem-leaning)

but it is strong support, and it isnt wavering[/QUOTE]
 
Yeah, I dunno. Maybe that's part of it, but I believe the answer may be a bit simpler.

1) His support is nowhere near as big as it seems. He's probably only capturing about 5-6% of the US public right now. That's enough to fill a lot of stadiums, but not enough to win a primary.

1a) The media pays far more attention to him that even his polls warrant.

2) He is, for the most part, saying what those individuals want to hear. He's talking to the xenophobic wing of the Republican base.

3) I'd also say he is appealing to the people who have no tolerance for complex solutions in a complex world; no patience for processes that take a long time; no perspective on the diverse opinions of Americans.

He isn't saying things that outrage his adherents. He is still appealing to the same people.

I expect he could easily say something that would outrage his current supporters. E.g. if he said something positive about Obama, he would not be forgiven easily for that. ;)

not only a primary....but the nomination

wonder how some of you are now feeling about what you wrote just a few short months ago?
 
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