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If Trump survives this...

I see two idiots. Obama doesn't have even close to a clue about what is going on with ISIS in our country or in the ME. Almost every statement that he has made about ISIS in the past two months has been wrong. His foreign policy sucks as bad as Hillary's did.

Then we have Trump that makes outlandish, over the top statements. At this point, as stupid as Trump sounds, he sounds smarter than Obama. At least he gets that there IS a problem with out immigration system and their lackadaisical way of handling immigration. All Obama does is pipe smoke up our skirts by telling us everything is okay, don't worry, be happy, the unicorns are on their way. Obama is making Trump look good because it isn't hard to shine when you stand next to a turd. Making Trump look good is quite a task. Only massive failure could do that.
 
Why would this hurt Trump? He has said enough to already condemn himself in the general election, and he has proven that it only helps him in the primary. I don't support an outright ban on Muslims, but if conservatives will feel better about it why not put refugees from more extreme places on a more in depth vetting process? Granted, it is impossible to know if someone with a clean record will commit a terrorist attack, but I think that this could be a good middle ground. As to why we should accept refugees in the first place, how about because we're human.
 
Natan said:
So was Madeleine Albright
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Albright was raised Catholic. She wasn't a refugee a during the war years -- her parents came here to seek asylum in 1948.

"Albright, who was born in Prague in 1937, spent the war years in London, returning with her family to Czechoslovakia in 1945 after its liberation from the Germans. Her parents were granted political asylum in the United States in 1948 after a communist coup in Czechoslovakia."

and she thought a million dead muslim children in Iraq was "worth it". Genocidal bitch.
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You sure you're not thinking of Bush, Cheney and the PNAC's?

I had never heard that line about Albright, so I looked it up. It was supposedly said in 1996.
We Think the Price Is Worth It FAIR

Then looked further:

"In Washington, I interviewed James Rubin, an under secretary of state who speaks for Madeleine Albright. When asked on US television if she thought that the death of half a million Iraqi children was a price worth paying, Albright replied: "This is a very hard choice, but we think the price is worth it."

When I questioned Rubin about this, he claimed Albright's words were taken out of context.

He then questioned the "methodology" of a report by the UN's World Health Organisation, which had estimated half a million deaths. Advising me against being "too idealistic", he said: "In making policy, one has to choose between two bad choices . . . and unfortunately the effect of sanctions has been more than we would have hoped." He referred me to the "real world" where "real choices have to be made". In mitigation, he said, "Our sense is that prior to sanctions, there was serious poverty and health problems in Iraq." The opposite was true, as Unicef's data on Iraq before 1990, makes clear.


The irony is that the US helped bring Saddam Hussein's Ba'ath Party to power in Iraq, and that the US (and Britain) in the 1980s conspired to break their own laws in order, in the words of a Congressional inquiry, to "secretly court Saddam Hussein with reckless abandon", giving him almost everything he wanted, including the means of making biological weapons. ..."


Were you against the Iraqi sanctions?
 
Paperview said:
Albright was raised Catholic. She wasn't a refugee a during the war years -- her parents came here to seek asylum in 1948.
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She was born from jewish parents who fled the Nazis and THEN converted to catholicism and eventually moved to the US.
 
...And this...

"The claim that sanctions killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children originated in a 1995 letter to The Lancet which, in turn, was based on a Baghdad survey done by Sarah Zaidi and colleagues. After other researchers identified anomalies in the survey data, Zaidi, to her great credit, re-investigated the work from the ground up. Having sub-contracted the original interviews to the Iraqi government, she traveled to Baghdad and re-interviewed many of the original households. When Zaidi failed to confirm quite a few of the reported deaths in these follow-up interviews, she retracted her results."



http://www.psmag.com/politics-and-law/the-iraq-sanctions-myth-56433
 
Paperview said:
...And this... "The claim that sanctions killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children originated in a 1995 letter to The Lancet which, in turn, was based on a Baghdad survey done by Sarah Zaidi and colleagues. After other researchers identified anomalies in the survey data, Zaidi, to her great credit, re-investigated the work from the ground up. Having sub-contracted the original interviews to the Iraqi government, she traveled to Baghdad and re-interviewed many of the original households. When Zaidi failed to confirm quite a few of the reported deaths in these follow-up interviews, she retracted her results." http://www.psmag.com/politics-and-law/the-iraq-sanctions-myth-56433
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I got the number claimed wrong, in the interview it was half a million. The actual number isn't even important, her claim such a toll is worth it, is telling.



Anyway, this is largely irrelevant. The point is just that picking one good person (Einstein) out as a representative of the entire group, is not all that correct.
 
Natan said:
She was born from jewish parents who fled the Nazis and THEN converted to catholicism and eventually moved to the US.
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No, she was raised catholic.


"In an interview last week, Albright, who was raised a Roman Catholic and now is an Episcopalian, said her father and mother never talked to her or her two siblings about the relatives' fate or their Jewish background. She said she found the new information "fairly compelling" but wanted to conduct her own research into her family and its fate. "Obviously it is a very personal matter for my family and brother and sister and my children," she said.

"The only thing I have to go by is what my mother and father told me, how I was brought up," Albright said.

She said her parents said of her relatives only that they died "during the course of the war."

Washingtonpost.com: Albright's Family Tragedy Comes to Light
 
TheDemSocialist said:
No idea.
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Considering the revelations of the Nazi Holocaust, taking in 100,000 German Jews may present a completely different picture than simply stating 100,000 Germans immigrated to the US during WWII. According to historical records, FDR enacted a plan via executive order to expedite the process.

History Lesson 5: U.S. Immigration Policy and Hitler's Holocaust


At the beginning of World War II, the U.S. government did not believe reports that Hitler was carrying out a plan to murder millions of European Jews. But by November 1942, the evidence was overwhelming. Once again, American Jewish leaders appealed to Roosevelt: If the president would ask Congress to change the immigration laws, more refugees could escape the Holocaust. Again, FDR refused. Instead, he joined the British in condemning the Nazi genocide (mass killing) of Jews.

Wartime brought on a sharp decline in immigration when the government imposed even stricter visa regulations. Officials feared that enemy spies and saboteurs might enter the country in the guise of refugees. But as the American public became aware of the enormity of the Nazi atrocities, people began to demand that the United States do something to rescue the remaining Jewish people of Europe. In November 1943, the Emergency Committee to Save the Jewish People of Europe introduced a rescue resolution in Congress.
Once again, the State Department objected. This angered Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthau Jr., a Jew, who was appalled by the Nazi mass killings. Since 1933, the State Department had opposed nearly every attempt to help Jewish refugees. On January 16, 1944, Morgenthau met with FDR and summarized a report prepared by his department. The report documented the long history of State Department obstructionism in refugee matters. (This report was originally titled, "Report to the Secretary on the Acquiescence of This Government in the Murder of the Jews.")

In response, Roosevelt signed an executive order instructing Congress to implement most of the provisions of the rescue resolution. The order created a War Refugee Board "to take all measures within its policy to rescue victims of enemy oppression in imminent danger of death."​
 
Paperview said:
No, she was raised catholic.
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I didn't deny that. She's born (in 1937) from jews (who converted in 1941) who fled the Nazis (in 1938).

Marie Jana Korbelová was born in 1937 in the Smíchov district of Prague, Czechoslovakia[7] to Czech diplomat Josef Korbel and Anna Spieglová.[8] At the time of her birth, Czechoslovakia had been independent for fewer than 20 years, having gained independence from Austria-Hungary after World War I. Josef was a supporter of the early Czech democrats Tomáš Garrigue Masaryk and Edvard Beneš.[9] Madeleine grew up with a younger sister named Katherine (born October 1942)[10] and a younger brother named John.[11] At the time of her birth, Josef was serving as press-attaché at the Czechoslovak Embassy in Belgrade. However, the signing of the Munich Agreement in September 1938 and the disintegration of Czechoslovakia at the hands of Adolf Hitler forced the family into exile because of their links with Beneš.[12]
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Soho gator said:
HA HA HA HA!!!!

Even funnier is the prospect of a "very conservative" person voting for a lib. He doesn't mean a word he says.
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I'm not voting for a lib. I'm not voting for Bush or Fiorina or Kasich. I'm voting for one of TWO real conservatives in this race. (Trump and Cruz).
 
ttwtt78640 said:
If we establish religion (alone) as a reason to keep folks out then what prevents using religion (alone) to deny any other benefits/rights? Should being a Muslim inside the US put one on a "watch list"? Can being on that "watch list" then be used to deny 2A rights?

The "Trump plan" is removing any requirement to be a Muslim extremist to be considered as the enemy - much like the good old days when all of Japanese descent were rounded up and placed in camps for "security" reasons. I see this as a perfect time for republicant voters to wake the **** up and drop voting for Trump from serious consideration.
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Your way has failed. Open borders and liberalism are now starting to cost LIVES within our shores. Only someone serious will vote for Trump. Only a TRAITOR will vote for anyone else.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Doubtful, Trump has gone so far with his xenophobia and racism that he might drags moderates and independents back into the booth in a general election against Hillary. Not because those groups agree with Hillary, but rather they understand the dangers that Trump brings on this nation if he were to become President. Hillary would literally get the fear vote as it is clear that Trump ends up being more isolationist than anyone else in the race in any party including Libertarians.
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A friend who normally votes Republican has said he would vote for Hillary because he's sure she won't get us involved in a nuclear war and can't say the same for Trump. While I might not go that far - I'm not sure even Trump is that bad - I will grudgingly vote for Ms. Clinton in a Trump / Clinton contest.
 
\He held the opposite position on every major policy position he's stated recently.
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As did Ronald Reagan. So what?
He welcomes mooslims to his properties and hotels. Do you think he's going to bar some rich Saudi from trump plaza?
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He never said he had a problem with Muslims. He has Muslim friends. He does business with Muslims. Maybe if you spent more time actually reading his exact words and less time LYING about him, you'd learn something.

He's playing you for a fool and you lap it up. Hilarious
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And the Republican establishment is playing you for a fool. And so far, those asshats gave us seven years of Obama, the WORST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY.

Maybe you should read more and post less.
 
ocean515 said:
Considering the revelations of the Nazi Holocaust, taking in 100,000 German Jews may present a completely different picture than simply stating 100,000 Germans immigrated to the US during WWII. According to historical records, FDR enacted a plan via executive order to expedite the process.

History Lesson 5: U.S. Immigration Policy and Hitler's Holocaust


At the beginning of World War II, the U.S. government did not believe reports that Hitler was carrying out a plan to murder millions of European Jews. But by November 1942, the evidence was overwhelming. Once again, American Jewish leaders appealed to Roosevelt: If the president would ask Congress to change the immigration laws, more refugees could escape the Holocaust. Again, FDR refused. Instead, he joined the British in condemning the Nazi genocide (mass killing) of Jews.

Wartime brought on a sharp decline in immigration when the government imposed even stricter visa regulations. Officials feared that enemy spies and saboteurs might enter the country in the guise of refugees. But as the American public became aware of the enormity of the Nazi atrocities, people began to demand that the United States do something to rescue the remaining Jewish people of Europe. In November 1943, the Emergency Committee to Save the Jewish People of Europe introduced a rescue resolution in Congress.
Once again, the State Department objected. This angered Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthau Jr., a Jew, who was appalled by the Nazi mass killings. Since 1933, the State Department had opposed nearly every attempt to help Jewish refugees. On January 16, 1944, Morgenthau met with FDR and summarized a report prepared by his department. The report documented the long history of State Department obstructionism in refugee matters. (This report was originally titled, "Report to the Secretary on the Acquiescence of This Government in the Murder of the Jews.")

In response, Roosevelt signed an executive order instructing Congress to implement most of the provisions of the rescue resolution. The order created a War Refugee Board "to take all measures within its policy to rescue victims of enemy oppression in imminent danger of death."​
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132,000 Jews total reached the US between 1933-1945 despite finding in "1939 pollsters found that 53 percent of those interviewed agreed with the statement "Jews are different and should be restricted.". https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-by-era/world-war-ii/resources/immigration-policy-world-war-ii

I cannot find statistics that break it down by nationality of the Jews reaching the US. But my point was being that Germans did still immigrate to the US despite their religion etc .
 
I state this:

Albert Einstein was a Jewish refugee.

I'm kinda glad we let him in.

And Nathan goes off with "genocidal bitch Albright."

It was a stupid comment for which she said she regretted.

"I must have been crazy; I should have answered the question by reframing it and pointing out the inherent flaws in the premise behind it. Saddam Hussein could have prevented any child from suffering simply by meeting his obligations…. As soon as I had spoken, I wished for the power to freeze time and take back those words. My reply had been a terrible mistake, hasty, clumsy and wrong. Nothing matters more than the lives of innocent people. I had fallen into the trap and said something I simply did not mean. That was no one’s fault but my own." -Albright

If she was so genocidal, why did the GOP majority congress confirm her the next year as SOS?

I'll ask again, were you against the Iraqi sanctions?

( Sanctions implemented in 1990 & 1991.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_661

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_687 ]
 
Gaius46 said:
A friend who normally votes Republican has said he would vote for Hillary because he's sure she won't get us involved in a nuclear war and can't say the same for Trump. While I might not go that far - I'm not sure even Trump is that bad - I will grudgingly vote for Ms. Clinton in a Trump / Clinton contest.
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Her former boss Obama just gave nukes to IRAN. So she has already gotten us involved in a nuclear war.

A vote for Hillary is treason to America.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
132,000 Jews total reached the US between 1933-1945 despite finding in "1939 pollsters found that 53 percent of those interviewed agreed with the statement "Jews are different and should be restricted.". https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-by-era/world-war-ii/resources/immigration-policy-world-war-ii

I cannot find statistics that break it down by nationality of the Jews reaching the US. But my point was being that Germans did still immigrate to the US despite their religion etc .
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Neither Jews nor Germans have been flying planes into tall New York City buildings.
 
reason10 said:
...he WILL be the next president.

Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US | Fox News



I predict not only will he survive it, the statement will propel him to victory in Iowa and New Hampshire. The nomination will be over by then.

And considering that Hillary's foreign policy snafus CREATED ISIS, I'd say that she will be a bug about to get squashed by his limo wheels.
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I agree with your assessment of Trump getting the nomination. But in the general election he will make Barry Goldwater in 64 look like the Miami Dolphins winning 17 straight.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
132,000 Jews total reached the US between 1933-1945 despite finding in "1939 pollsters found that 53 percent of those interviewed agreed with the statement "Jews are different and should be restricted.". https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-by-era/world-war-ii/resources/immigration-policy-world-war-ii

I cannot find statistics that break it down by nationality of the Jews reaching the US. But my point was being that Germans did still immigrate to the US despite their religion etc .
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Well, I believe the record shows Germans did immigrate to the US during WWII because of their religion.
 
haymarket said:
I agree with your assessment of Trump getting the nomination. But in the general election he will make Barry Goldwater in 64 look like the Miami Dolphins winning 17 straight.
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Barry Goldwater was up against someone who was coming off the high of the Kennedy assassination. (I say the high because it took an assassination to raise the Kennedy brand. Without that bullet in his head, he would not have been reelected. He was an ineffectual president at best.)

Lyndon Johnson was a powerful candidate. He went from SENATE MAJORITY LEADER to Vice President.

Hillary went from marrying a redneck in Arkansas to the Senate.

You can't seriously be comparing the two.

Trump will stomp her in nothing flat.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
132,000 Jews total reached the US between 1933-1945 despite finding in "1939 pollsters found that 53 percent of those interviewed agreed with the statement "Jews are different and should be restricted."
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and considering your literally hundreds of postings in one forum that does nothing but completely demonize the tiny little state in which they can exercise their self determination, should we assume your own opinion on the matter would follow suit?
 
reason10 said:
Barry Goldwater was up against someone who was coming off the high of the Kennedy assassination. (I say the high because it took an assassination to raise the Kennedy brand. Without that bullet in his head, he would not have been reelected. He was an ineffectual president at best.)

Lyndon Johnson was a powerful candidate. He went from SENATE MAJORITY LEADER to Vice President.

Hillary went from marrying a redneck in Arkansas to the Senate.

You can't seriously be comparing the two.

Trump will stomp her in nothing flat.
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I am simply comparing the results of 64 with what will happen in the GOP gets their death wish and the wannabe Mussolini with bad hair gets nominated.
 
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