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Bernie the Bonehead wants us to be like Denmark. Seriously?

GunFora said:
Clearly you do not understand Socialism. Here is some help:
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Oh Please, like I really need you to google search and copy/paste the definition of Socialism. I have a B.A. in Political Science.

So if you have an issue with the list I provided of Socialist policies enacted here in the United States, please let me know.
 
DaveFagan said:
Socialism scares the crap out of Republicans. That's probably a good thing. Less disruptive than ExLax.
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It should scare ANY rational person. Understandable why it doesn't scare Democrats. They're barely smart enough to be able to walk without pissing their pants.
 
BrewerBob said:
So I am looking all over the intervent and everything I find has the suicide rate in Denmark comparable to the US, around 10-11%.

Also, the World happiness Index rates Denmark at #3 and the US at #15. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report

Yep. They pay higher taxes. Sounds like it is working for them.
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It works if they work in government. If they have a real job, it's an ass reaming.
 
MrT said:
Oh Please, like I really need you to google search and copy/paste the definition of Socialism. I have a B.A. in Political Science.

So if you have an issue with the list I provided of Socialist policies enacted here in the United States, please let me know.
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Evidently you did need me to do just that. Having a police department is not an example of a Socialist society. Sorry.
 
MrT said:
Which one?
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Police and military certainly and probably 40 hours workweek as well as child labor both to a limited degree.
 
Re: the car point. People don't use cars in Denmark. In Copenhagen car ownership is at 29%.
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Who the hell can afford a car in that ****ehole of a country?

The Danish ride public transport and bikes. The tax is more like 200% now rather than 180%, btw.
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Finally, a country that makes Nazi Germany look like utopia by comparison.
What then happens is you get breaks on the car depending on it's fuel/environmental efficiency. They also give a $40,000 tax break on electric cars.
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But nobody can afford an electric car, now having to pay most of your fcking money out in taxes.
And as for the cost. Denmark is expensive. Cost of living is expensive. However, wages are high.
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And most of those wages are gobbled up in TAXES.

Minimum wage is $20/hr. Median income is higher than OEDC average. Unemployment is lower than OEDC average. Hours worked are lower than OEDC average. If all you do is look at one side of things then of course you're going to terrify yourself.
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Who wants to work and be productive when most of your money is taken away?
 
reason10 said:
It should scare ANY rational person. Understandable why it doesn't scare Democrats. They're barely smart enough to be able to walk without pissing their pants.
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I demand you produce a link to prove that or admit to ignorance and bigotry.
 
Just a few observations:
1. The US is not Denmark and will never be, not even if we elect Bernie Sanders president. We're too big and too diverse for their system to work here. It works for them, however.
2. Denmark's economic and social system does not meet the definition of "socialism" that Gunfora posted above.
3. Some things are of collective benefit, and should be paid for collectively. Others are of individual benefit, and should be paid for by the individual. Things like roads and bridges are, most would agree, in the first category. More controversial are such things as schools, universities and hospitals.
4. People who are against paying collectively for such things as universities and hospitals like to scream "socialism", even though doing so does not meet the actual definition of socialism. People for paying collectively like to say they're free, which is equally wrong. Nothing is free.

Would we be better off paying for heath care and higher education collectively than individually? I think so. Some people don't. That doesn't make me a socialist or them conservatives.

Inventing new meanings for common words adds nothing to any discussion.
 
More CON game- who makes 20 bucks an hour here?
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In AMERICA, people who are WORTH 20 bucks an hour are paid that.
What hidden taxes do we pay like health insurance, student loans???
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A tax is something you pay INVOLUNTARILY. And it ALWAYS goes to the government. Did you even graduate kindergarten?

CONs love to leave out a good portion of the income we don't get to spend and try and claim if we make 20 bucks an hour we get to spend all that money... :roll:
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You really didn't graduate kindergarten.
 
GunFora said:
Evidently you did need me to do just that. Having a police department is not an example of a Socialist society. Sorry.
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How do you get a police department? Well, a central figure (i.e. the government) collects enough revenue (taxes) from the community to then direct that the police officers produce safety and enforcement for that given community.

No, police departments are not evidence of a socialist society. Police Departments are the capable result of a Socialist policy.
 
Do you understand that many aspects of America - namely the Roads, Police, Military, 40 hour work weeks, Weekends off from work, No Child Labor, etc. - are Socialist policies in action?

Roads? Police? Military? Socialism? Did YOU ever graduate kindergarten? Or were you smoking crack during middle school civics class?

40 hour work weeks actually WERE part of the 1929 SOCIALIST platform, and they wound up in the economy crippling New Deal.

By the way, Einstein, child labor when it was first instituted was the ONLY thing saving children from starvation.
 
joG said:
Police and military certainly and probably 40 hours workweek as well as child labor both to a limited degree.
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40 hour work week and child labor laws were opposed by most businesses before they become law. Capitalism does not mandate protection for the individual worker - that is the result of a Socialist policy.

And the Military is the single BIGGEST socialist ideal in the United States. The Government collects a large amount of revenue from the collective population in order to produce the safety and enforcement that the military provides - in some instances, they even demand the community to "volunteer" their physical person for this service.
 
reason10 said:
Do you understand that many aspects of America - namely the Roads, Police, Military, 40 hour work weeks, Weekends off from work, No Child Labor, etc. - are Socialist policies in action?

Roads? Police? Military? Socialism? Did YOU ever graduate kindergarten? Or were you smoking crack during middle school civics class?

40 hour work weeks actually WERE part of the 1929 SOCIALIST platform, and they wound up in the economy crippling New Deal.

By the way, Einstein, child labor when it was first instituted was the ONLY thing saving children from starvation.
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I can't decide if you're a troll or just that absurd. Insinuating that a law school graduate "smoked crack" or sarcastically referring to me as Einstein does not bode well for your argumentative tactics.

And seriously? Child Labor saved the children?
 
MrT said:
How do you get a police department? Well, a central figure (i.e. the government) collects enough revenue (taxes) from the community to then direct that the police officers produce safety and enforcement for that given community.

No, police departments are not evidence of a socialist society. Police Departments are the capable result of a Socialist policy.
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Ok...I'll play. I was mocking Socialism in my OP. Your response was to tell me how roads, the military ect. are the result of Socialist policies. So is it your contention that Socialism is our form of govt.? Last I knew, we have a Constitutional Republic.
 
This has been a very fun thread to read :popcorn2: Love the OP trying to defend his illogical reasoning.
 
MrT said:
40 hour work week and child labor laws were opposed by most businesses before they become law. Capitalism does not mandate protection for the individual worker - that is the result of a Socialist policy.

And the Military is the single BIGGEST socialist ideal in the United States. The Government collects a large amount of revenue from the collective population in order to produce the safety and enforcement that the military provides - in some instances, they even demand the community to "volunteer" their physical person for this service.
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Businesses will dislike many things that are not socialist. And security is the quintessential public good. The important thing is the question of what government activity improves the society's efficiency compared to private productiin.
 
GunFora said:
Ok...I'll play. I was mocking Socialism in my OP. Your response was to tell me how roads, the military ect. are the result of Socialist policies. So is it your contention that Socialism is our form of govt.? Last I knew, we have a Constitutional Republic.
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No, our government is not Socialist. It just happens to use some elements of Socialist policies in order to make the Constitutional Republic operate effectively.
 
MrT said:
Do you understand that many aspects of America - namely the Roads, Police, Military, 40 hour work weeks, Weekends off from work, No Child Labor, etc. - are Socialist policies in action?
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Wow...

Roads - part of the Constitutional powers of the government and not all roads are federal roads. Some are state or county or municipality roads and even some are private roads.

Police - You just have to be kidding me? Police are socialist policy? Maybe if they're used to suppress freedoms, but that's not what the US police forces do.

Military - part of the Constitutional powers of the government, and one of the FEW reasons to have a government at all.

40 hour work week, days off and no child labor are not Socialist policies. You seriously need to rethink your position based on the actual definition of Socialism versus societal consensus moral application through regulation.

Again - wow. (military is socialism?)
 
ludin said:
who cares if you are making 20 bucks an hour when you are handing at minimum 40% of it over to the government?
you aren't making 20 bucks at that point. your making 12 bucks an hour.

in the US if you make 20 you are taxed at about 10% or so. so you are making 18 an hour.
I will take the 18 vs 12.

the reason minimum wage is so friggen high is so people can pay the tax and scrape together a meager living.
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Wages & cost-of-living vary around the country - from where I'm sitting minimum I don't consider minimum wage "so freggen high" at all!
 
Beaudreaux said:
Socialism is not compatible with the US Constitution. However, based solely on the Netherlands women's field hockey team, they must be doing something right...

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If that's what single-payer healthcare gets us - I'm in!
 
Chomsky said:
They pay higher taxes & fees - in exchange they get receive better services & have a higher quality of life.

It would seem to be like like most things in life: "You get what you pay for"!

There's no free ride.
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You always get an inefficient allocation of resources, when you supply private goods publicly. The only question is where the negative impact to society hits. That is not so easy to say, because of the cross-dependency inherent to the economy.
 
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