ARealConservative

I think decent conservatives can disagree on the merits of the war.

We should not disagree on the need for a true declaration of war however.

Paul Calls for Congressional Declaration of War against Iraq

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The Joint Resolution was the required authorization. UN Security Council resolution 1511 confirms the authority to establish a Democratic Government in Iraq by the coalition forces:

The MNF mandate begins with Security Council Resolution 1511 of October 16, 2003. In spite of the growing evidence of a violent, corrupt and increasingly unpopular occupation, the Council acted again in a way that legitimated the Coalition. This resolution was a tradeoff in which the US and the UK acceded to pressure from France, Germany and others to establish near-term Iraqi political institutions, including a constitution and an elected parliament – in return for the force mandate. It was widely assumed at the time that the occupation would end soon – no later than the establishment of Iraqi political institutions.

The Council has renewed the MNF mandate three times, first with Resolution 1546 (June 8, 2004) which provided a more extensive description of the mandate. The subsequent renewals were adopted under Resolution 1637 (November 11, 2005) and Resolution 1723 (November 28, 2006). The later renewals, given the well-known situation in Iraq, show how unwilling Council members have been to question the US-UK enterprise.

The “Multinational Force” Mandate and Related Security Council Action on Iraq during the Occupation - UN Security Council - Global Policy Forum

I am constantly fascinated by the idiotic notion that we need a DIFFERENT type of "declaration." Maybe if more people were better informed and actually READ the documents we wouldn't keep wallowing in such abject denial.

Ron Paul is a whacko who thinks we need to go back to the Gold Standard and be isolationists.

http://www.c-span.org/resources/pdf/hjres114.pdf

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ARealConservative

I said decent conservatives.

alphieb

I was for Hillary and I know why now. I can't believe Barak wants tax payers to bailout Wall street, ummm "so does the master of decisions, Bush." The fact that he agrees with Bush should scare everyone.

I will not vote for any of the jokers running for chief.....Biden is OK and that's it....... Sarah Palin thinks she's up to foreign relations because Russia is close to Alaska....and she wears lipstick while being a soccer mom....Geeze, what has our Country come to.....Like Obama's Mentor said....God Damn America.

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donsutherland1

Alphieb,

Even as it might appear that the financial rescue legislation is a "bailout for Wall Street," it is really intended to recapitalize the financial system. The financial system is increasingly strained. Credit is drying up. Interest rates for interbank lending are rising sharply e.g., overnight rates reached as high as 11% in Europe earlier today.

What the political leaders have not communicated very well are the implications of the intensifying credit crisis. Some of those implications are as follows:

• Banks could hoard cash or invest excess cash into Treasurys and cease lending to one another, businesses and individuals.

• Banks that are unable to meet their capital requirements on account of an inability to obtain overnight loans could face failure, especially if depositors learn of the issue and begin withdrawing funds.

• Banks that have a lot of long-term assets relative to short-term liabilities could shift from a profitable position to massive losses on account of the rise in interest costs on short-term borrowing.

• The commercial paper market that is key to financing auto loans, credit cards, etc., is increasingly impaired. That could translate into fewer auto loans, even for people with outstanding credit, higher credit card rates, etc.

• Banks could cease financing lines of credit to companies that often use such lines to finance inventory or meet payroll.

• Banks could exercise "market disruption" clauses that permit them to substantially raise interest rates on funds previously borrowed by corporations. That could increase financial pressures on corporations, reduce corporate investment, and lead to layoffs.

• In a worst-case scenario, the breakdown of money market functionality could trigger a systemic financial crisis. Using systemic crises in developed countries during the 1990s, the mean fiscal cost of such crises (based on % of GDP) came to the equivalent of $1.6 trillion. Economic costs (lost output) came to 1.5 to 2.0 times that figure.

All said, even as the political leaders haven't communicated very effectively on the legislation, the bill is intended to prevent a systemic financial crisis. It is intended to protect all Americans from the destructive consequences of such a crisis.

neilsimon

Thanks for sharing this. Google's not coming up with straight-up answers to my queries.

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Truth Detector

Ad hominem; Carry on.

Truth Detector

Obama thinks he is up to foreign relations because he has traveled overseas and given speeches.

It’s telling that you agree with Reverend Wright and Obama’s hate of America as well.

Carry on. I am looking forward to the idea of an Obama Presidency and huge majority of Democrats in the House and Senate. They won’t be able to lie to the American people and blame Republicans this time and America will see them for the despicable lying pile of refuse the Democrats in Washington have truly become.

Yes, folks, I am almost tempted to vote Democrat myself so that we can guarantee this new vast majority in Washington and end the blame game once and for all so that Americans can see what a steaming pile of **** they have gotten themselves into.

Perhaps then, the memory of the collective citizens will last beyond the first month of 9-11.

John1234

Not that this means a whole lot, but there is clearly more than you are representing...

"He then transferred to Columbia University in New York City, where he majored in political science with a specialization in international relations"

Its not as though he got his expertise from being in close proximity to Russia.
He actually studied International Relations and graduated top of his class.

McCain studied how to fly a plane, and Palin studied how to be a weather reporter.

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