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Emails Show Hillary Clinton Rejected Libya Peace Talk In 2011.....

dimensionallava said:
is this still going on? I thought since Mccarthy admitted that this whole thing is just a partisan attack against hillary this garbage was going to stop?
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So a sovereign of a country is looking for a deal to avoid war, hillary rejects it, and your main concern is protecting her from criticism.
 
annata said:
I have to look thru it more carefully. I know the French were pushing this ( UN Resolution) and now it looks like they thought it would be a benefit to them.

But thi is all new from the Emails ( like Blumenthal was),and I haven't bee able to integrate it -exactly what all the French motives were.

It's good to know, but in the final analysis, Hillary was a driving force behind removing/killing Qadaffi.
Qadaffi for all his problems was a reliable allie on terrorism - he warned al-Qaeda would flood Libya if he was overthrown.

The fact Hillary didn't get this, plus all her correspondence with Blumenthal, looks to me like she was willingly led by both
the French, and her sycophant Blumenthal.
Her arrogance in "we came we saw he died" ( he quote of qaddafi's demise) is further proof she never did understand how badly this was screwed up.

She makes some excuses in her book "hard choices" that somehow if we had only engaged the NTC this would have worked out shows
just how misguided and craven she is
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I just gave the French's points. Looks like Hillary caved to the French. I told ya.....they outplayed Rice and they never even told Rice, Powers, or Hillary that they were recognizing the TNC. Just went and did it and told us later.

Right then and there.....we should have told the French. Then you go and take Gadhafi out. On your own. Let us see for once in 100 years that the French can actually handle their own business for a change rather than crying and whining to get others to do their dirty work for them.
 
dimensionallava said:
the thing i don't like about this argument is that it implies the republicans had another option where things would be better, which is like criticizing specifically the republicans for invading afghanistan, as if democrats wouldve reacted to that situation any differently. which only leads to wild speculation, conspiracy theories, and impossible to prove "what if" scenarios

Iraq however was heavily contested by the democrats and fairly questionable, arguably illegal tactics were used by the bush administration to invade Iraq. Yet 11 years later there are no "iraq hearings" or "WMD" hearings only benghazi and libya hearings
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Hillary voted to go into Iraq, after her husband made regime change there official US policy.

She helped to out another relatively stable and cooperative govt in Libya, and later after terrorists took over, they killed 4 Americans including a sitting US senator.

I expect this to come up in a few weeks when Hillary testifies to the Benghazi committee.
 
US Conservative said:
Hillary voted to go into Iraq, after her husband made regime change there official US policy.

She helped to out another relatively stable and cooperative govt in Libya, and later after terrorists took over, they killed 4 Americans including a sitting US senator.

I expect this to come up in a few weeks when Hillary testifies to the Benghazi committee.
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Yeah and after she is done testifying. Thats when Gowdy should hit her up telling her. This isn't going to be your only testimony. Unless you are willing to plead the 5th and ensure your guilt, traitor.
 
BrewerBob said:
I'm no fan of Hillary but this is a damned if you do damned if you don't scenario. If she DID allow the peace talks then the Right would have accused her of negotiating with terrorists.
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I don't think so. Qaddafi was already a moderated power in Africa, and an active opponent of Al Qaeda. Most people knew that the "civil war" in Libya was nothing more than an Al Qaeda operation disguised as a student revolt.
 
MMC said:
Heya EB.:2wave: The Demos and Hillary are desperate now, so they show some poutage and ramble their mouths off to deflect with the issue. Like always and with most things concerning the left. Its all about the deflection. Although, this is how much the French was involved.


Amid these fifty memos, which sometimes include factual errors and misinterpretations since they were written in “real time” as the situation was changing every day in Libya since the outbreak of the rebellion in Benghazi on 17 February 2011, there is an alternative reading of the role of France in this conflict. Alternative because it does not correspond at all to the official version put forward by Nicolas Sarkozy and his entourage. Alternative because it raises many questions about the real objectives of the French government that did everything it could to overthrow the Gaddafi regime.

1. Sarkozy sees an opportunity to restore the military prestige of France. <<<<< :lamo
2. “How the French created the National Transitional Council, or how money talks “.
3. Sarkozy, concerned about the influence of the Islamists, demanded that BHL assess that issue.
4. French Special Forces trained the rebels
5. Sarko of Arabia.
6. The DSGE worked closely with the rebels.
7. French businessmen: “Humanitarian” thieves.
8. Bernard Henry-Levi as Sarkozy’s commercial representative
9. “Qaddafi will be summarily executed”
10. Sarkozy wants contracts for French enterprises
11. The French demand 35% of Libyan contracts and push for the partition of the country.....snip~

Hillary Clinton emails reveal how French destroyed Libya | Veterans Today



Now.....when did the French think they had to the Right to Demand anything. Why wasn't the French told to STHU and take their pansy asses back to France?

Quite interesting that the French wanted Gadhafi summarily executed. May be we should do that to their Leader. See if they want to start something. See if they want to man up like they did with Libya. Lets see them try that **** with us.
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it all fits.Blumenthal was copy and pasting from that Bernard-Henri Levy guy ( what capacity was here there in?)

without a doubt the French were prime movers in all this at the UN, so this background shows why -their motivations..
I'll have to study it for awhile..

Once again though Hillary's fingerprints are all over this; albeit being spoon fed from Blumenthal
 
annata said:
it all fits.Blumenthal was copy and pasting from that Bernard-Henri Levy guy ( what capacity was here there in?)

without a doubt the French were prime movers in all this at the UN, so this background shows why -their motivations..
I'll have to study it for awhile..

Once again though Hillary's fingerprints are all over this; albeit being spoon fed from Blumenthal
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Here check this out AT. It was one of the emails.....explaining who this French mope is and why we should put the French in check with all those resolutions they file in the UN about others countries.





8. Bernard Henry-Levi as Sarkozy’s commercial representative.....


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MMC said:
More on Hillary and her incompetence. Good thing Gowdy included her Libyan Policy besides Benghazi.


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Speaking of irony....

A black man is elected president of the United States, who is awarded a Nobel Peace prize, who appoints an incompetent Secretary of State who turns a air support campaign into a war of regime change and refuses a call for peace.

Only in America
 
Fearandloathing said:
Speaking of irony....

A black man is elected president of the United States, who is awarded a Nobel Peace prize, who appoints an incompetent Secretary of State who turns a air support campaign into a war of regime change and refuses a call for peace.

Only in America
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Yeah F&L. Check out, "just" what that email says. Levy told the Libyan rebels that the Jewish Leaders in France criticized Sarkosy. How did you like that part about the Libyans admitting the Israelis came and saved the day for some Palestinians?
 
MMC said:
Here check this out AT. It was one of the emails.....explaining who this French mope is and why we should put the French in check with all those resolutions they file in the UN about others countries.





8. Bernard Henry-Levi as Sarkozy’s commercial representative.....


Mails_Blums_8.jpg
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Thanks. That's a big clarifier.
It was all about business , I assume oil had to be a big part of that....

I'll have to work it into my ongoing coverage. I'm covering the Qadaffi assassination now ( he was killed on Oct. 20, 2011),
in that it came up a bit with the continual failing of a "unity government" ( Tobruk's House of Representatives, and Tripoli's Libya Dawn)
being brokered by the UN.
Libyan Civil War 2014 - Present | DCJunkies
 
annata said:
Thanks. That's a big clarifier.
It was all about business , I assume oil had to be a big part of that....

I'll have to work it into my ongoing coverage. I'm covering the Qadaffi assassination now ( he was killed on Oct. 20, 2011),
in that it came up a bit with the continual failing of a "unity government" ( Tobruk's House of Representatives, and Tripoli's Libya Dawn)
being brokered by the UN.
Libyan Civil War 2014 - Present | DCJunkies
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Now do you feel bad, that the French are being overran by Muslims? Looks like poetic justice to me.



10. Sarkozy wants contracts for French enterprises.....

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11. The French demand 35% of Libyan contracts and push for the partition of the country.....

Mails_Blums_11.jpg
 
BrewerBob said:
Hypothetical? Yes. If you think it is nonsense then you haven't been paying attention to US politics.
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In fact I do follow US politics and know you have nothing whatsoever to support this empty claim of yours. It's not even a good guess.
 
BrewerBob said:
I'm not saying it was the right choice. I am saying if she made that choice the Right still would have criticized her for it. Do you honestly believe the Republicans would have rallied around her choice?
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What the Republicans would or would not do is not the topic and remains useless speculation. We can deal with the facts as we know them and advance the debate from there.
 
annata said:
the millon $ question. I have to assume arrogance of power - Much the same way Hillary meddled in Syria with her
"Friends of Syria" initiative, that weakened Assad in favor of organizing international opposition ..Hilary is a screw up. She has no success as Sec of State -all she can point to is 'frequent flier miles'
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This should be so obvious to anyone following the situation that any further debate would seem unnecessary. In fact, as I'm sure you've noticed, the responses are largely off topic or incoherent. Often both.
 
MMC said:
Now do you feel bad, that the French are being overran by Muslims? Looks like poetic justice to me.



10. Sarkozy wants contracts for French enterprises.....

Mails_Blums_10.jpg

11. The French demand 35% of Libyan contracts and push for the partition of the country.....

Mails_Blums_11.jpg
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If I understand this, it shows Blumenthal c/p
to Hillary what is being supplied by that ex-CIA guy?

*Jeese* everything about Libya is 'down the rabbit hole'
 
American said:
I thought Obama and Clinton were all anti-war and stuff. :shrug:
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It seems not because following their foolish policies there is more wars being waged in far more places than there was when they took charge. Why would anyone who hates war encourage it? Whether it was deliberate or out of ignorance can be debated, but the increase in the number of innocent lives now being lost cannot.
 
Grant said:
This should be so obvious to anyone following the situation that any further debate would seem unnecessary. In fact, as I'm sure you've noticed, the responses are largely off topic or incoherent. Often both.
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the problem is the disconnect between "Bengazi" and Libya itself. Same thing in Syria; if Hillary's initiative hadn't opened up the
FSA -could the regime have beaten back the Islamists? ( al-Nusra ,etc)

But in Libya we did this -we flew the most sorties /did command and control /and used the most missiles.
So while the French might have led,it was Hillary ( along with Rice and Powers) that really got Obama
to go all in for regime change.

All the other stuff we see ( like not taking the phone call from Qadaffi's kid) is more proof she was instrumental in the fall of Libya
to what it's become -as well as Bengazi itself
 
annata said:
If I understand this, it shows Blumenthal c/p
to Hillary what is being supplied by that ex-CIA guy?

*Jeese* everything about Libya is 'down the rabbit hole'
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What is totally hilarious is the French was one of the first to run to Iran. All to try and get contracts with the Iranians. Wanted to do the same with Syria their other screw up too.

What is good.....is the French isn't getting **** from the Libyans nor Syrians. Which leaves them the Iranians who they want to kiss ass with.
 
dimensionallava said:
the thing i don't like about this argument is that it implies the republicans had another option where things would be better, which is like criticizing specifically the republicans for invading afghanistan, as if democrats wouldve reacted to that situation any differently. which only leads to wild speculation, conspiracy theories, and impossible to prove "what if" scenarios

Iraq however was heavily contested by the democrats and fairly questionable, arguably illegal tactics were used by the bush administration to invade Iraq. Yet 11 years later there are no "iraq hearings" or "WMD" hearings only benghazi and libya hearings
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Recall that Barrack Obama said Afghanistan was a Good War and Iraq a Bad War. Now we see that he lost the peace in Iraq and thus the Middle East. Human suffering has been going on since his 2011 retreat and will continue for years to come, quite likely reshaping the world in a way few envisioned.

The probable reason no one is having an investigation into Iraq is because the majority of both parties voted for it, including then Senator Hillary Clinton. I don't think the Democrats would want to move in that direction, seeing as how they approved of the war and then abandoned Iraq years before it was ready. What's happening in the Middle East now, and Europe, can be traced directly back to their inept and politically driven policies.
 
annata said:
the problem is the disconnect between "Bengazi" and Libya itself. Same thing in Syria; if Hillary's initiative hadn't opened up the
FSA -could the regime have beaten back the Islamists? ( al-Nusra ,etc)

But in Libya we did this -we flew the most sorties /did command and control /and used the most missiles.
So while the French might have led,it was Hillary ( along with Rice and Powers) that really got Obama
to go all in for regime change.

All the other stuff we see ( like not taking the phone call from Qadaffi's kid) is more proof she was instrumental in the fall of Libya
to what it's become -as well as Bengazi itself
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Yeah AT, and that General should be busted down in rank for listening to Hillary in the first place. He should have told her STHU and go fly a kite or knit a blanket for her granddaughter or something. She wouldn't have liked it.....but who gives a **** what Hillary likes.
 
Grant said:
Recall that Barrack Obama said Afghanistan was a Good War and Iraq a Bad War. Now we see that he lost the peace in Iraq and thus the Middle East. Human suffering has been going on since his 2011 retreat and will continue for years to come, quite likely reshaping the world in a way few envisioned.

The probable reason no one is having an investigation into Iraq is because the majority of both parties voted for it, including then Senator Hillary Clinton. I don't think the Democrats would want to move in that direction, seeing as how they approved of the war and then abandoned Iraq years before it was ready. What's happening in the Middle East now, and Europe, can be traced directly back to their inept and politically driven policies.
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Yep Grant. :2wave: He lost the peace in Irag.....and then he lost the War in Afghanistan. Not to mention he is losing the Cyber war with the Chinese and Russians.

Truly he is a incompetent feckless inept stuttering fool.
 
annata said:
I have to look thru it more carefully. I know the French were pushing this ( UN Resolution) and now it looks like they thought it would be a benefit to them.

But thi is all new from the Emails ( like Blumenthal was),and I haven't bee able to integrate it -exactly what all the French motives were.

It's good to know, but in the final analysis, Hillary was a driving force behind removing/killing Qadaffi.
Qadaffi for all his problems was a reliable allie on terrorism - he warned al-Qaeda would flood Libya if he was overthrown.

The fact Hillary didn't get this, plus all her correspondence with Blumenthal, looks to me like she was willingly led by both
the French, and her sycophant Blumenthal.
Her arrogance in "we came we saw he died" ( he quote of qaddafi's demise) is further proof she never did understand how badly this was screwed up.

She makes some excuses in her book "hard choices" that somehow if we had only engaged the NTC this would have worked out shows
just how misguided and craven she is
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The problem with both Hillary and Obama is that they have seriously overestimated their own personal intelligence. Obama learned all he did from attending University and Hillary as First Lady. Somehow they both felt this experience translated into an insightful understanding of the way international power politics works. I believe they they sincerely felt that a 'charm' offensive, or 'empathy' would genuinely be effective. I can think of no other explanation.
 
Grant said:
The problem with both Hillary and Obama is that they have seriously overestimated their own personal intelligence. Obama learned all he did from attending University and Hillary as First Lady. Somehow they both felt this experience translated into an insightful understanding of the way international power politics works. I believe they they sincerely felt that a 'charm' offensive, or 'empathy' would genuinely be effective. I can think of no other explanation.
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Cmon Grant, the only thought those lames had in their heads.....was how they could lie to the American people and get away with it.
 
MMC said:
Here check this out AT. It was one of the emails.....explaining who this French mope is and why we should put the French in check with all those resolutions they file in the UN about others countries. 8. Bernard Henry-Levi as Sarkozy’s commercial representative.....
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It seems that it was only Americans who were being blamed for it being "All About Oil" yet we see repeatedly that others were quite open about their ambitions, including those who would harm the democracies and form a Caliphate that oil did play a central role. Of course it meant a lot to Saddam Hussein as well.
 
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