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Democrats Contradict Themselves To Gain Power

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Democrats have sued to keep Tom Delay on the November ballot since Republicans technically exceeded the deadline for switching their candidate with somebody who isn't knee-deep in scandals. They are using "the law is the law" arguments.

http://www.fortbendnow.com/news/127...ning-order-in-attempt-to-keep-delay-on-ballot

Republicans are the "the law is the law" party. They have a valid point, so we won't fight the deadline...it's the law. But Democrats sure didn't give a rat's rectum about the law when it was their turn:

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/10/04/elec02.nj.s.torricelli.scotus/index.html


This, my friends, is called hypocrisy. Remember how much Democrats cared about adhering to election laws during the Election 2000 power grab? They have no principles that go beyond getting more power.
 
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I really don't like what the Democrats are doing to try and win this seat. I really don't. On the other side, there is nothing I can do about it because I am not a member of the Republican party and am not a resident of Texas.
 
In the Texas (DeLay) case

The question that was before the Federal District court was: If State Republican Party Chairwoman Tina Benkiser can rule Tom DeLay INELIGIBLE .

The Judge says NO.

“Political acumen, strategy, and manufactured evidence, even combined with sound policy in mind, cannot override the Constitution. The evidence presented in this case provides no basis for Benkiser’s declaration that Tom DeLay was not eligible to remain the nominee of the republican Party under state or federal law… there is no evidence that DeLay will still be living in Virginia tomorrow, let alone on November 7, 2006, the only day that matters under the Qualification Clause of the United States Constitution. DeLay himself testified that he does not know what will happen with his life in November, stating only that he plans to continue living in Virginia ‘indefinitely.’

<snip>

"DeLay was chosen as the Republican nominee by the voters in the Republican primary, and he is still eligible to be the party’s nominee. He may, of course, withdraw as is his right, but neither political parties, state legislatures, secretaries of state, nor the federal courts may rewrite the United States Constitution.” - Sam Sparks, United States District Judge.

DeLay still owns - and his wife, Christine, still lives in - his Sugar Land (TX) house.
The ruling is being appealed.


In the New Jersey case

Democrats filed suit seeking both a)declaratory judgment that it could proceed with the selection of a new candidate for the Senate and b) injunctive relief directing county clerks to print ballots with the name of the new candidate.(at the Democrats expense, I might add)

A declaratory judgment is a judgment of a court which determines the rights of parties without ordering anything be done or awarding damages. It is allowed to nip controversies in the bud.

In other words, the Democrats asked if it was OK to replace Sen. Robert Torricelli on the ballot and the court approved it.




On a side note the Republicans are trying to petition the 5Th circuit court (trying to entice a judge to be an activist judge?). As usual their dishonesty shines through (to an appellate court no less, have they no integrity)

Here is a copy of the petition. (my comments are in red)

Judges of the 5th Circuit,

Fair and open elections have been the hallmark of our democracy for more than 200 years now. One can only wonder how the residents of Texas Congressional District 22 can have a fair election when one party is attempting to keep their opponent completely off the ballot.
This is just toooo funny, the Dems aren't trying to keep DeLay OFF the ballot, the voters of TX-22 have decided who THEY want ON the ballot. Besides, the judge said DeLay can withdraw if he wants.

Each day that goes by with Democrats perverting the process and denying the public their choice of candidates is a travesty of justice. This deliberate subversion undermines the will of the people and sets a horrible precedent for future elections.
The public had their choice of candidates and the will of the people was Tom DeLay.

Thererefore, I am urging you to do the following:

1) Remove the injunction against choosing our candidate
The VOTERS already chose their candidate.
2) Declare the Republican ballot position officially vacant
It can be officially vacant, all DeLay has to do is withdraw.
3) Allow the voters of CD 22 a fair choice of candidates
This is the biggest LIE of all. Do the Republicans really think that the 5th circuit court are so stupid that they don't know that, if they overturn the lower courts ruling that a COMMITTEE will select a candidate NOT the voters.

Signed,

[Your name here]

Petition
 
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aquapub said:
Democrats have sued to keep Tom Delay on the November ballot since Republicans technically exceeded the deadline for switching their candidate with somebody who isn't knee-deep in scandals. They are using "the law is the law" arguments.

http://www.fortbendnow.com/news/1272/texas-democrats-get-restraining-order-in-attempt-to-keep-delay-on-ballot

Republicans are the "the law is the law" party. They have a valid point, so we won't fight the deadline...it's the law. But Democrats sure didn't give a rat's rectum about the law when it was their turn:

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/10/04/elec02.nj.s.torricelli.scotus/index.html


This, my friends, is called hypocrisy. Remember how much Democrats cared about adhering to election laws during the Election 2000 power grab? They have no principles that go beyond getting more power.

Hello pot, meet kettle. The "law is the law" party produced Nixon, Delay, Libby, Iran Contra....shall I go on. If I am not mistaken, there are far more convicted Nixon and Reagan Administration officials than Clinton and Carter Administration officials. So I fail to see your point.

It's called politics. Each party does what it takes to win. Thats how it works. If Delay was not about the most crooked man in Washington since LBJ, you would not have to worry about loosing the seat in the first place.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Hello pot, meet kettle. The "law is the law" party produced Nixon, Delay, Libby, Iran Contra....shall I go on. If I am not mistaken, there are far more convicted Nixon and Reagan Administration officials than Clinton and Carter Administration officials. So I fail to see your point.


I think Bill Clinton himself outnumbers the amount of felonies Reagan and Nixon's administrations committed combined.

Speaking of Nixon, did you know he had an election just like 2000, in which it was too close to call between him and Nixon...and "in the interest of the country" withdrew instead of trying to fight it out and change the rules on little issues to manufacture a win like Gore did?

THAT's what I mean by the party of law and order. When one of ours goes against the facts, pushes to NOT have to obey a law, it is the EXCEPTION. With liberals it's the RULE.
 
BWG said:
In other words, the Democrats asked if it was OK to replace Sen. Robert Torricelli on the ballot and the court approved it.


Yes, Democrats fought to get by the law when it was their guy, and are fighting to uphold the law now that it's Tom Delay...it's called hypocrisy.

Republicans, as I understand it, have dropped the issue, as is the standard when the law is clearly agains tthem. THAT is the difference between a law and order party and a party with "get power" as their only guiding principle.
 
aquapub said:
I think Bill Clinton himself outnumbers the amount of felonies Reagan and Nixon's administrations committed combined.

Actually no, a good number of Reagan and Nixon Administration members actually went to prison.

Speaking of Nixon, did you know he had an election just like 2000, in which it was too close to call between him and Nixon...and "in the interest of the country" withdrew instead of trying to fight it out and change the rules on little issues to manufacture a win like Gore did?

THAT's what I mean by the party of law and order. When one of ours goes against the facts, pushes to NOT have to obey a law, it is the EXCEPTION. With liberals it's the RULE.

Actually, your comparison is apples and oranges. In the case of Nixon/Kennedy, the vote was very close, but Nixon did not win the popular vote. You act as if less people voted for Gore than for Bush. It would only be prudent to conduct a recount in a state where the results were contested especially if nationwide, you got more votes than the other guy.

All that said, its neither here nor there. Many politicians are crooks, and you make yourself out to be an idiot by insinuating that only one party has a monopoly on them.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Actually no, a good number of Reagan and Nixon Administration members actually went to prison.


Actually, I said nothing about the number of people who went to prison, just the number of felonies. Perjury, sexual harrassment, rape, campaign finance fraud, treason, etc.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Actually, your comparison is apples and oranges. In the case of Nixon/Kennedy, the vote was very close, but Nixon did not win the popular vote. You act as if less people voted for Gore than for Bush. It would only be prudent to conduct a recount in a state where the results were contested especially if nationwide, you got more votes than the other guy.


Wrong. The popular vote count is irrelevant to whether or not you should conceed or try to change the rules halfway through an election and manufacture votes, divide the country.

By the rules our elections are governed by, Gore was doing nothing but trying to steal the election.

It is ridiculous to call two events that are 99.9% identical apples and oranges simply because of an irrelevant popular vote count. Republicans in their situation relented (and it turned out Kennedy actually did lose, but cheated) for the good of the country. Liberals wanted power and refused to accept defeat, period.
 
aquapub said:
Democrats have sued to keep Tom Delay on the November ballot since Republicans technically exceeded the deadline for switching their candidate with somebody who isn't knee-deep in scandals. They are using "the law is the law" arguments.

http://www.fortbendnow.com/news/127...ning-order-in-attempt-to-keep-delay-on-ballot

Republicans are the "the law is the law" party. They have a valid point, so we won't fight the deadline...it's the law. But Democrats sure didn't give a rat's rectum about the law when it was their turn:

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/10/04/elec02.nj.s.torricelli.scotus/index.html


This, my friends, is called hypocrisy. Remember how much Democrats cared about adhering to election laws during the Election 2000 power grab? They have no principles that go beyond getting more power.

Seems pretty consistent to me. Ever hear of State's Rights? It's a pretty important part of the constitution.

In NJ -2002 and Florida 2000 it was the same issue. The argument was, and is, that States have the right to decide electoral policy.

SCOTUS should have never annointed King George on 2000.
 
Let's compare felonious Presidential administrations:

There was Nixon's, with over 40 of his administration's officials
either indicted or convicted.

More in Ronald Reagan's Administration were convicted than any other in
the history of the country:

"By the end of his term, 138 Reagan administration
officials had been convicted, had been indicted, or had been the
subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or
criminal violations. In terms of number of officials involved, the
record of his administration was the worst ever."

Lyn Nofziger--Convicted on charges of illegal lobbying of White House
in Wedtech scandal.

Michael Deaver received three years' probation and was fined one
hundred thousand dollars after being convicted for lying to a
congressional subcommittee and a federal grand jury about his lobbying
activities after leaving the White House. . .

E. Bob Wallach, close friend and law classmate of Atty General Edwin
Meese, was sentenced to six years in prison and fined $250,000 in
connection with the Wedtech influence-peddling scandal.

Then there was:

James Watt, Reagan's Secretary of the Interior was indicted on 41
felony counts for using connections at the Department of Housing and
Urban Development to help his private clients seek federal funds for
housing projects in Maryland, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Puerto Rico
and the Virgin Islands. Watt conceded that he had received $500,000
from clients who were granted very favorable housing contracts after he
had intervened on their behalf. In testifying before a House
committee Watt said: "That's what they offered and it sounded like a
lot of money to me, and we settled on it." Watt was eventually
sentenced to five years in prison and 500 hours of community service.

The Iran-Contra scandal. In June, 1984, at a National Security
Council meeting, CIA Director Casey urged President Reagan to seek
third-party aid for the Nicaraguan contras. Secretary of State
Schultz warned that it would be an "impeachable offense" if the U.S.
government acted as conduit for such secret funding. But that didn't
stop them. That same day, Oliver North was seeking third-party aid
for the contras. But Reagan, the "teflon President" avoided serious
charges or impeachment. . .

Oliver North--Convicted of falsifying and destroying documents,
accepting an illegal gratuity, and aiding and abetting the obstruction
of Congress. Conviction overturned on appeal due to legal
technicalities. . .

John Poindexter, Reagan's national security advisor, --guilty of five
criminal counts involving conspiracy to mislead Congress, obstructing
congressional inquiries, lying to lawmakers, used "high national
security" to mask deceit and wrong-doing. . .

Richard Secord pleaded guilty to a felony charge of lying to Congress
over Iran-Contra. . .

Casper Weinberger was Secretary of Defense during Iran-Contra. In
June 1992 he was indicted by a federal grand jury on charges of
concealing from congressional investigators and prosecutors thousands
of pages of his handwritten notes. The personal memoirs taken during
high level meetings, detailed events in 1985 and 1986 involving the
Iran-Contra affair. Weinberger claimed he was being unfairly
prosecuted because he would not provide information incriminating
Ronald Reagan. Weinberger was scheduled to go on trial January 5,
1993, where the contents of his notes would have come to light and may
have implicated other, unindicted conspirators. While Weinberger was
never directly linked to the covert operations phase of the Iran-Contra
affair, he is believed to have been involved in the cover-up of the
ensuing scandal. According to Special Prosecutor Lawrence Walsh,
Weinberger's notes contain evidence of a conspiracy among the highest
ranking Reagan Administration officials to lie to congress and the
American public. Some of the notes are believed to have evidence
against then Vice-President George Bush who pardoned Weinberger to keep
him from going to trial. . .

Elliott Abrams was appointed by President Reagan in 1985 to head the
State Department's Latin American Bureau. He was closely linked with
ex-White House aide Lt. Col. Oliver North's covert movement to aid the
Contras. Working for North, Abrams coordinated inter-agency support
for the contras and helped solicit illegal funding from foreign powers
as well as domestic contributors. Abrams agreed to cooperate with
Iran-Contra investigators and pled guilty to two charges reduced to
misdemeanors. He was sentenced in 1991 to two years probation and 100
hours of community service but was pardoned by President George Bush. .
.

Robert C. McFarlane was appointed Ronald Reagan's National Security
Advisor in October 1983 and become well-known as a champion of the MX
missile program in his role as White House liaison to congress. In
1984, Mc Farlane initiated the review of U.S. policy towards Iran that
led directly to the arms for hostages deal. He also supervised early
National Security Council efforts to support the Contras. Shortly after
the Iran-Contra scandal was revealed in early 1987, McFarlane took an
overdose of the tranquilizer Valium in an attempt to end his life. In
his own words: "What really drove me to despair was a sense of having
failed the country." McFarlane pled guilty to four misdemeanors and was
sentenced to two years probation and 200 hours of community service.
He was also fined $20,000. He received a blanket pardon from
President George Bush. . .

Alan D. Fiers was the Chief of the Central Intelligence Agency's
Central American Task Force. Fiers pled guilty in 1991 to two counts of
withholding information from congress about Oliver North's activities
and the diversion of Iran arms sale money to aid the Contras. He was
sentenced to one year of probation and 100 hours of community service.
Fiers agreed to cooperate with prosecutors in exchange for having his
felonies reduced to misdemeanors and his testimony gave a boost to the
long standing criminal investigation of Lawrence Walsh, Special
Prosecutor. Fiers testified that he and three CIA colleagues knew by
mid-1986 that profits from the TOW and HAWK missile sales to Iran were
being diverted to the Contras months before it became public knowledge.
Alan Fiers received a blanket pardon for his crimes from President
Bush.
 
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... continued ...

Clair George was Chief of the CIA's Division of Covert Operations
under President Reagan. In August 1992 a hung jury led U.S. District
Judge Royce Lamberth to declare a mistrial in the case of Clair George
who was accused of concealing from Congress his knowledge of the
Iran-Contra affair. George had been named by Alan Fiers when Fiers
turned state's evidence for Lawrence Walsh's investigation. In a second
trial on charges of perjury, false statements and obstruction of
justice, George was convicted of lying to two congressional committees
in 1986. George faced a maximum five year federal prison sentence and
a $20,000 fine for each of the two convictions. Jurors cleared George
of five other charges including two counts of lying to a federal grand
jury. Those charges would have carried a mandatory 10 months in
prison upon conviction. Clair George received a blanket pardon for
his crimes from President George Bush. . .

Duane R. (Dewey) Clarridge was head of the CIA's Western European
Division under President Reagan. He was indicted on November 29, 1991
for lying to congress and to the Tower Commission that investigated
Iran- Contra. Clarridge was charged with five counts of perjury and
two counts of making false statements for covering up his knowledge of
a November 25, 1985 shipment of HAWK missiles to Iran. Clarridge was
also suspected of diverting to the Contras weapons that were originally
intended for the Afghan mujahaddeen guerrillas. Clarridge received a
blanket pardon for his crimes on Christmas Eve 1992 from President
George Bush. . .

Environmental Protection Agency's favoritism toward polluters.
Assistant administrator unduly influenced by chemical industry
lobbyists. Another administrator resigned after pressuring employees
to tone down a critical report on a chemical company accused of illegal
pollution in Michigan. The deputy chief of federal activities was
accused of compiling an interagency "hit" or "enemies" list, like those
kept in the Nixon Watergate period, singling out career employees to be
hired, fired or promoted according to political beliefs. . .

Anne Gorscuh Burford resigned amid accusations she politically
manipulated the Superfund money. . .

Rita Lavelle was fired after accusing a senior EPA official of
"systematically alienating the business community." She was later
indicted, tried and convicted of lying to Congress and served three
months of a six-month prison sentence. After an extensive
investigation, in August 1984, a House of Representatives subcommittee
concluded that top-level EPA appointees by Reagan for three years
"violated their public trust by disregarding the public health and the
environment, manipulating the Superfund program for political purposes,
engaging in unethical conduct and participating in other abuses.".

Neglected nuclear safety. A critical situation involving nuclear
safety had been allowed to develop during the Reagan era. Immense
sums, estimated at 200 billion or more, would be required in the 1990s
to replace and make safe America's neglected, aging, deteriorating, and
dangerous nuclear facilities. . .

Savings & Loan Bail-out. Hundreds of billions of dollars were needed
to bail out savings and loan institutions that either had failed during
the deregulation frenzy of the eighties or were in danger of
bankruptcy. . .

Reckless airline deregulation. Deregulation of airline industry took
too broad a sweep, endangering public safety.

Additionally:

Richard Allen, National Security adviser resigned amid controversy
over an honorarium he received for arranging an interview with Nancy
Reagan. . .

Richard Beggs, chief administrator at NASA was indicted for
defrauding the government while an executive at General Dynamics. . .

Guy Flake, Deputy Secretary of Commerce, resigned after allegations
of a conflict of interest in contract negotiations. . .

Louis Glutfrida, Director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency
resigned amid allegations of misuses of government property. . .

Edwin Gray, Chairman of the Federal Home Loan Bank was charged with
illegally repaying himself and his wife $26,000 in travel costs. . .

Max Hugel, CIA chief of covert operations who resigned after
allegations of fraudulent financial dealings. . .

Carlos Campbell, Assistant Secretary of Commerce resigned over
charges of awarding federal grants to his personal friends' firms. . .

Raymond Donovan, Secretary of Labor indicted for defrauding the New
York City Transit Authority of $7.4. million.

{ Republicans will point out that Donovan was acquitted. And that
really matters in Donovan's case, because he was a Republican. But it
didn't matter for Clinton or any of his cabinet, most all of whom were
acquitted, because THEY were Democrats!} * John Fedders, chief of
enforcement for the Securities and Exchange Commission resigned over
charges of beating his wife. . .

Arthur Hayes, Commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration
resigned over illegal travel reimbursements. . .

J. Lynn Helms, chief of the Federal Aviation Administration resigned
over a grand jury investigation of illegal business activities. . .

Marjory Mecklenburg, Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Department of
Health and Human Resources resigned over irregularities on her travel
vouchers. . .

Robert Nimmo, head of the Veterans Administration resigned when a
report criticized him for improper use of government funds. . .

J. William Petro, U.S. Attorney fired and fined for tipping off an
acquaintance about a forthcoming Grand Jury investigation. . .

Thomas C. Reed, White House counselor and National Security Council
adviser resigned and paid a $427,000 fine for stock market insider
trading. . .

Emanuel Savas, Assistant Secretary of HUD resigned over assigning
staff members to work on government time on a book that guilty to
expense account fraud and accepting kickbacks on government contracts.
. .

Charles Wick, Director of the U.S. Information Agency investigated
for taping conversations with public officials without their approval.

_______________________________________________________

Bush1's Administration would have beaten Reagan's in indictments and
convictions and sent Bush himself to prison, had Bush not pardoned
Caspar Weinberger (who destroyed his own diaries).

In Clinton's administration, ONE conviction (Henry Cisneros) for
failing to tell the FBI that he had given money to his mistress.

(Note: this post was pasted from a newsgroup. I didn't write it.)
 
aquapub said:
I think Bill Clinton himself outnumbers the amount of felonies Reagan and Nixon's administrations committed combined.

And your proof would be? ...

Here's some "Law and Order" for ya:roll:

Reagan Admin convictions

Ollie North - Iran Contra
Elliott Abrams- Iran Contra
Robert McFarlane - NSA
Alan Fiers -CIA
Richard Miller - Ollie North partner
Clair George - CIA
Richard Secord - lied to Congress
Tom Clineswas - Iran Contra
Carl Channel - Iran Contra
John Poindexter - NSA
James Watt- Sec of Interior
Phillip Winn - HUD
Thomas Demery - HUD
Deb Dean - Sam Pierce's Secretary
Catalina Villaponda - HUD
Joe Straus
Michael Deaver - Reagan's Chief of Staff
Lyn Nofziger -WH Press Sec.
Rita Lavelle - EPA

Then with Nixon we had G. Gordon Liddy, John Mitchell, HR Haldeman, John Ehrlichman, Chuck Colson, Gordon Strachan, Robert Mardian, Ken Parkinson.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Actually no, a good number of Reagan and Nixon Administration members actually went to prison.



Actually, your comparison is apples and oranges. In the case of Nixon/Kennedy, the vote was very close, but Nixon did not win the popular vote. You act as if less people voted for Gore than for Bush. It would only be prudent to conduct a recount in a state where the results were contested especially if nationwide, you got more votes than the other guy.

All that said, its neither here nor there. Many politicians are crooks, and you make yourself out to be an idiot by insinuating that only one party has a monopoly on them.
Here we go again... Grades School Civics - The STATES elect the President not the people. The people do tell the states who to vote for, but it ultimately the STATES who elect the President. I learned this in the 5th grade, where were you the day they taught this? Home with chicken pox?
 
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