Gas prices

Misterveritis said:

Are you one of those who believe we should trade blood for oil? More people will die in the Marxist's egg cart cars. Is that what you are after?

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Oh no! Not another, "Let's by a newer tank for that 50 mile commute!" person? Who would have guessed? :lol:

Misterveritis said:

I believe the one term Marxist flexible president Barrack Hussein Obama's policies did more damage to the gulf region that an accidental spill.

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Ok Stephen Colbert, we know its you, you can stop now.

Misterveritis said:

I believe the one term Marxist flexible president Barrack Hussein Obama's policies did more damage to the gulf region that an accidental spill.

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Regardless of your beliefs, the fisheries in the Gulf still need to be protected. It's okay to drill in the Gulf, but only if they can prove they can do it safely. That's what Obama is trying to do. This way, two industries are protected, not just one. The president has to look out for everyone, not just your buddies at BP.

Misterveritis said:

Are you objecting to the one term Marxist flexible president Barrack Hussein Obama's name?
I can understand objecting to him. But his name? Am Marxist by any other name would still stink.


Do you like paying more for everything?

Keep it up and anyone who can move their businesses out of this foolhardy nation will.

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No, but I do like how the right is now blaming the president for high gas prices when 4 years ago, when there was a Republican in the White House, they said the president doesn't control gas prices, market forces do ...

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I think there are some basic things that affect the price of gas.

#1: Supply and demand. Currently supply is not keeping up with demand worldwide. Whatever the supply is, it is not enough to reduce the price. Whatever supply may have increased, it is not enough. There are countries that are experiencing amazing economic and technological growth (the main one being China) and this is increasing the world demand. Worldwide population growth also contributes to demand. All this drives up the price. Whatever the level is now, it needs increased.

To increase supply more drilling needs to happen and more American refineries need to be built. Additionally as far as the United States is concerned, if we drill more and increase supply, we will be less dependent on foreign oil especially oil from the Middle East. This would mean wars in Middle East would have a reduced effect on our economy.

#2: The value of the dollar. The dollars' worth is not what it used to be, and unless you are paying for a prostitute in Columbia, it doesn’t buy as much as it used to. Part of the reason for that is the irresponsible spending by the U.S. Government by both parties (however, one is way worse than the other).

No matter how long it would take for more drilling and more refineries to happen it is worth starting right now. Who cares if it takes 10 years, we have to start somewhere, otherwise 10 years from now the problem will be exponentially worse. Besides the whole "speculators" piece of this would be immediately affected by just making serious aggressive plans to increase supply. Especially if a country such as the United States seriously increased drilling to keep up with demand and started building more refineries it would have an effect on the global market. If countries like Saudi Arabia increase their output, or if the strategic reserve is tapped, it seems to have an effect, so why wouldn’t the United States increasing drilling and oil refineries have an effect?

All this can be done safely; there are plenty of lessons learned from the recent accident by British Petroleum.

And increasing oil production does not take away from alternative fuel research and development that of course should still go on, but not by sacrificing our current main energy system that we are very much dependent on for just about everything.

I like the idea of doing some drilling. I think it's an important part of an overall plan.

Of course, increased supply of crude does not necessarily translate into increased supply of gas. There are a lot of products based on petroleum, gasoline being only one of them. Oil companies know this, and I'm sure that they feel the supply of gas is enough as they are making a profit off of it. As has been pointed out many times, there's a lot of gasoline that is refined in the US which is then shipped overseas.

In other words, drilling only equals more crude. How much of that gets turned into gasoline is something that refiners and oil companies will calculate to maximize their profits. That's just business.

MoSurveyor said:

And production is up 14% anyway.
As for Keystone, the Republicans dug their own grave on that one. Plan reviews require a plan. Would you start building a ship if you didn't even know how long the keel was going to be? If you want to blame someone for Keystone's delay then blame Nebraska for taking three years to decide they didn't like it's original location.

Ed:
None of Keystone will be used in the US anyway. Hell, dude, the Canadians import oil. If it was actually good enough oil to use they'd keep it themselves. Keystone will pipe tar oil from Canada to Texas where it'll be refined in special refineries then shipped out.

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Thanks to President Bush...He started the increases...If you going to continue to blame GWB for everything then you have to give him credit when he does something right....

Theres really no reason to not drill for more oil. even if the liberals are right, and it doesn't decrease gas prices that much (it sure couldn't hurt) it would still be great for the economy, jobs and all. the environmental impacts are always blown out of proportion and don't happen as often as the hippies would like us to believe.

MoSurveyor said:

Oh no! Not another, "Let's by a newer tank for that 50 mile commute!" person? Who would have guessed? :lol:

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I suppose you believe the government should increase the numbers of people who will be killed in car accidents. Who would have guessed?
Some people just cannot help themselves. You just might be one of those people.
What is it about freedom that frightens you so?

EagleAye said:

Regardless of your beliefs, the fisheries in the Gulf still need to be protected. It's okay to drill in the Gulf, but only if they can prove they can do it safely. That's what Obama is trying to do. This way, two industries are protected, not just one. The president has to look out for everyone, not just your buddies at BP.

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You give him too much credit. He is driving up the cost of energy. That is all he is doing. No president, Marxist, flexible, or not, should have this power. It is not constitutional.

Sheik Yerbuti said:

No, but I do like how the right is now blaming the president for high gas prices when 4 years ago, when there was a Republican in the White House, they said the president doesn't control gas prices, market forces do ...

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I understand your desire to support the Marxist. No problem.

Misterveritis said:

You give him too much credit. He is driving up the cost of energy. That is all he is doing. No president, Marxist, flexible, or not, should have this power. It is not constitutional.

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It is unconstitutional to not overstep powers set up in the constitution (in this case anyway)? What do you think of Jefferson buying the Louisianna Purchase?

Edit: There are 535 senators and congressman and you are putting the blame on one person.

Navy Pride said:

Thanks to President Bush...He started the increases...If you going to continue to blame GWB for everything then you have to give him credit when he does something right....

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Give him credit for what? Oil companies drilling on NON-Federal land?!? You're kidding, right?

As for blame, were you up in arms four years ago when gas was as expensive or more expensive than it is now? Were you blaming Bush as much as you've been blaming Obama? Come on, tell the truth ...



Ed:
On the other hand, I wasn't blaming Bush for gas prices - nor do I blame Obama now.

Misterveritis said:

I suppose you believe the government should increase the numbers of people who will be killed in car accidents. Who would have guessed?
Some people just cannot help themselves. You just might be one of those people.
What is it about freedom that frightens you so?

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I'm not afraid of freedom. You're still tripping off the fumes from that gas guzzler.

You want to decrease highway fatalities? Lower the national speed limit back to 55 MPH. If you don't want to do that then YOU'RE the one sending babies to the grave, not me.

Misterveritis said:

You give him too much credit. He is driving up the cost of energy. That is all he is doing. No president, Marxist, flexible, or not, should have this power. It is not constitutional.

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LOLOLOL..

When the safety audit procedures went thru changes in March of 2011, the drillers said it would add $5 a barrel to the ppb.

I take it that you have NEVER set foot in an oilfield.. offshore or otherwise and don't know the meaning of ROI.

MoSurveyor said:

I'm not afraid of freedom. You're still tripping off the fumes from that gas guzzler.

You want to decrease highway fatalities? Lower the national speed limit back to 55 MPH. If you don't want to do that then YOU'RE the one sending babies to the grave, not me.

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Do you honestly think lowering the speed limit makes much of a difference at all?

And how exactly is someone send babies to the grave by not lowering the speed limit?

Henrin said:

Do you honestly think lowering the speed limit makes much of a difference at all?

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Backing up your point, an accident is as likley to kill at 30mph as 70mph. My Grandfather rear-ended a car going 70mph while she was stopped, not wearing a seatbelt, has heart problems, and is quite old. "All" he suffered was a broken femur and cracked knee cap and the other lady was fine

Henrin said:

Do you honestly think lowering the speed limit makes much of a difference at all?

And how exactly is someone send babies to the grave by not lowering the speed limit?

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Yes.
If lowering the speed limit also lowers fatalities then the answer to your question is obvious.

Crash severity increases based on the speed at impact. Chances of death or serious injury double for every 10 MPH over 50 MPH a vehicle travels.

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After the 55 MPH National Maximum Speed Limit (NMSL) was established in 1974, highway fatalities dropped by almost 9,000, or 16 percent, while miles traveled decreased only 2 percent. This was the greatest single-year decrease in highway deaths since World War II.

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www.nhtsa.gov/people/injury/enforce/pub/speed96.pdf

Which differs slightly from:

Institute studies show that deaths on rural interstates increased 25-30 percent when states began increasing speed limits from 55 to 65 mph in 1987. In 1989, about two-thirds of this increase — 19 percent, or 400 deaths — was attributed to increased speed, the rest to increased travel.

A 1999 Institute study of the effects of the 1995 repeal of the national maximum speed limit indicated this trend had continued. Researchers compared the numbers of motor vehicle occupant deaths in 24 states that raised speed limits during late 1995 and 1996 with corresponding fatality counts in the 6 years before the speed limits were changed, as well as fatality counts from 7 states that did not change speed limits. The Institute estimated a 15 percent increase in fatalities on interstates and freeways.

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www.iihs.org | Q&A: Speed and speed limits


Leading me to believe they were different studies that came to the same basic conclusion.
Not only that, one is from government and one is from private industry.

TheLastIndependent said:

It is unconstitutional to not overstep powers set up in the constitution (in this case anyway)? What do you think of Jefferson buying the Louisianna Purchase?

Edit: There are 535 senators and congressman and you are putting the blame on one person.

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I see. If Jefferson doubled the size of the US by overstepping the bounds of the Constitution then the one term Marxist can do whatever he wants? Is that your argument? Do you believe that Jefferson's acting without Constitutional cover one time is the equivalent of the one term Marxist behaving as if he is our King?

MoSurveyor said:

I'm not afraid of freedom. You're still tripping off the fumes from that gas guzzler.

You want to decrease highway fatalities? Lower the national speed limit back to 55 MPH. If you don't want to do that then YOU'RE the one sending babies to the grave, not me.

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Time and time again you show that you have the heart of a tyrant. I get it. Freedom just isn't for everybody.

Misterveritis said:

Time and time again you show that you have the heart of a tyrant. I get it. Freedom just isn't for everybody.

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I get it, too.

If it's your life then it's important.
If it's someone else's life then it's not.

If it's your inconvenience then it's tyranny.
If you're imposing then it's freedom.

If you put others in jeopardy it's their tough luck.
If you're in jeopardy then it's the Devil's Work.

Yes, it's all very clear. I've seen the same antics from politicians for decades. You've done a good job imitating them. Your political masters would be proud.

Misterveritis said:

I see. If Jefferson doubled the size of the US by overstepping the bounds of the Constitution then the one term Marxist can do whatever he wants? Is that your argument? Do you believe that Jefferson's acting without Constitutional cover one time is the equivalent of the one term Marxist behaving as if he is our King?

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No. He is not acting like a king. If he was, this country would either be much worse or much better. But back to your question: how do you feel about Jackson and Abe? How about Eisenhower going to a war without declaring war through congress? How about the creation of our air force? How about the creation of the cabinent? What you fail to get through your thick paranoid skull is that all of the good presidents and a batch of some others have overstepped the constitution. But wait, if Jefferson wrote the very document then why would he break it? Answer me that. Did he truly break the very document that he wrote? Was he really as much of a strict constructionist as he said he was? Or did he believe that the governent could and should extend where need be? Based on the fact that the necessary and proper clause is part of said document, I believe the latter.

The EIA is predicting that average gas prices will stay below $4 this year and fall a bit more in 2013.

I hope the prediction is correct.

... the Energy Information Administration (EIA) said the pain at the pump could soon be less painful,with average prices staying below $4.

In its "Short-term Energy Outlook," the EIA forecast regular-grade gasoline retail prices to average $3.95 gallon nationally this summer, which it defines as the period from April through September. If realized, that would mark a 6.3-percent increase from the year prior summer season when gasoline sold at retail outlets averaged $3.71 gallon nationally.

The EIA expects prices to hit a peak of $4.01 in May, as CSNews Online previously reported.

For the full year 2012, the EIA is forecasting a $3.81 gallon national average for regular-grade retail gasoline while averaging $3.73 gallon in 2013. That is 20 cents above the 2011 average of $3.53 per gallon.

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http://www.csnews.com/top-story-summer_gas_prices_forecast_below_$4_per_regular_ga%20llon-60880.html

Gas prices are falling almost daily in my area, so by some peoples logic President Obama should be given the credit, right?

Henrin said:

Do you honestly think lowering the speed limit makes much of a difference at all?

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It does make a difference in that basically everybody knows that the "real" speed limit is usually about 10 mph above the posted limit. So if the posted limit is 55, everybody goes 65. If it's 75, everybody goes 85. Generally the slower you go, the easier it is to stop. Sorry if that offends you, but that's just physics.