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Rick Perry suggests US military role in Mexico drug war

MKULTRABOY said:
A) Half of Columbia belongs to marxist rebels
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this is incorrect - FARC has been put on the ropes by first President Uribe and now President Gutierrez; the security gains in that nation have been nearly - miraculous; which goes a long way towards explaining why they changed the Constitution to keep Uribe a second time, and there was large popular support for doing so a third time (he instead chose to step down).

B) It's within another nations borders... not along our own.
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:doh

if we are neighbors, and I shoot at you from my yard, so you come into my yard and perform a citizens arrest, are you or are you not defending yourself and your property?
 
MKULTRABOY said:
O yeah:

C) Perry is talking out of his rear and would never be able to do this.



Cant forget that one.
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Your probably right but, to put our federal government back in the box where it belongs, it will take the states reasserting states rights and defunding thousands of unconstitutional programs and agencies and this would only just be a start.
 
cpwill said:
:doh

if we are neighbors, and I shoot at you from my yard, so you come into my yard and perform a citizens arrest, are you or are you not defending yourself and your property?
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Oh... offense is defense dr strangelove get them before they get us kindof thing like Iraq or somethin right?
 
MKULTRABOY said:
Oh... offense is defense dr strangelove get them before they get us kindof thing like Iraq or somethin right?
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the best defense is a good offense. :)
 
MKULTRABOY said:
Im sure mexico will be thrilled.
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given the tens of thousands of deaths, and the loss of much of their sovereign territory that has occurred lately, i would bet yes, they probably would be.
 
cpwill said:
given the tens of thousands of deaths, and the loss of much of their sovereign territory that has occurred lately, i would bet yes, they probably would be.
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What makes you think the US is going to have any success? That's pretty darned optimistic... considering they wouldnt know what the **** they were doing down there :lol:. Youd be converting US soldiers into police work.
 
Any endeavors into any country in support of or out right aggression in the name of fighting a war on drugs is unconstitutional, all these drug lords do is move from one place to another. The best defense is to take the profit out of the equation.
 
MKULTRABOY said:
What makes you think the US is going to have any success? That's pretty darned optimistic... considering they wouldnt know what the **** they were doing down there :lol:. Youd be converting US soldiers into police work.
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gosh, I haven't done that in Iraq lately :roll: no ones' done that in Afghanistan lately, either. Go after a sub-national heirarchy noted for it's violence and connected to drug smuggling? why, that's completely out of the recent experience of the US military. :lol:

given the ease of transition into the language and culture, the comparative weak grip the narco groups have on the populace, the fact that we would be operating within easy driving distance of our own facilities rather than at the end of a world-wide supply chain, and the large number of hispanics in the US forces, compared to what we've been doing lately, Mexico would be like going from the Superbowl to playing against the Junior Varsity.
 
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Yes it actually is. :|

The current conflict is defined as targeting terrorists. Similar in several ways but far different than US soldiers doing law enforcement. As if the mexican police didnt know what they were doing already. It was really a mouthcrap for political points from a bag of hot air that started this thread. Im not sure if what he says is even possible. Firstly in that mexico would likely never cooperate. Secondly for a billion reasons im not interested enough to place mental effort into.
 
MKULTRABOY said:
Yes it actually is. :|

The current conflict is defined as targeting terrorists
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I work in targeting. Only a small portion of the current conflict consists of actually targeting high value or high payoff members of terror networks.

Similar in several ways but far different than US soldiers doing law enforcement.
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that's much of what the rest of the effort is consumed by. I helped train and patrol with Iraqi police and Iraqi Army who were serving in local security roles; just as plenty of others I know have done the same job with the Afghans.

As if the mexican police didnt know what they were doing already
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many of them don't, and many many many more are scared or lack the means to do so. they need firepower, support, combined arms, superior training, and the ability to call upon a QRF that will actually R Q. In case you haven't been noticing, the mexican security forces are generally losing.

It was really a mouthcrap for political points from a bag of hot air that started this thread. Im not sure if what he says is even possible
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not only is it possible, it would be comparably easy.

Firstly in that mexico would likely never cooperate
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i think you meant to say that in mexico, most of the populace would not cooperate. fortunately, you are incorrect about this - the US military has put quite a lot of thought over the last decade into population-centric warfare, and we've gotten pretty good at it. the vast majority of Mexicans loathe and fear the cartels, and would love to be rid of them. they have no idealogical or religious connections to them that we would have to break through, as we have had to do in Iraq and Afghanistan. there are even local (mostly passive, online) resistance groups springing up inside mexico now - ready made networks of informants and local guides.

If I can suggest some reading fir you:

The Counter Insurgency Field Manual
 
cpwill said:
the best defense is a good offense. :)
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Then when will the DOD get honest?

Instead of calling themselves the Department of Defense, they should call themselves the Department of Offense. :2wave:

Plus, I see that you are from Japan. Didn't Japan just recently throw a "hissy fit" over American bases? Why can't American troops leave Japan?
 
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I would rather just go back to the Department of War.
 
cpwill said:
i think you meant to say that in mexico, most of the populace would not cooperate. fortunately, you are incorrect about this - the US military has put quite a lot of thought over the last decade into population-centric warfare, and we've gotten pretty good at it. the vast majority of Mexicans loathe and fear the cartels, and would love to be rid of them. they have no idealogical or religious connections to them that we would have to break through, as we have had to do in Iraq and Afghanistan. there are even local (mostly passive, online) resistance groups springing up inside mexico now - ready made networks of informants and local guides.

If I can suggest some reading fir you:

The Counter Insurgency Field Manual
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I meant the government.
 
MKULTRABOY said:
I meant the government.
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:shrug: the government is a mixed bag - but they are less important than the populace in this kind of a campaign - you can fix government forces relatively easily, but it's tough to fix a populace.
 
Rick Perry is correct. The drugs comeing into United States by way of Mexico, is going to be a more severe problem if it's not delt with. Those simple mind liberals that say Perry's wrong, is because they could give a rats fart about what's happening.
They need and use the drugs comeing across the borders.
Some of the biggest drug lords and dealers are resideing in our back yards in the U.S.
They keep the ignorant American society well supplied...And liberal politicians like it that way.
 
cpwill said:
thank goodness; it's about f/ing time. put the guard of the border states on the border, and have other states rotate in; meanwhile, we need to embed with select Mexican units, train others, and allow the counter-narco-terror effort to access our technical means.
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Or we could just legalize recreational drugs.
 
cpwill said:
this is precisely the kind of thing he needs to do to combat the "weak on immigration" image that hurt him so badly coming out of the last debate.
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So would legalizing recreational drugs by allowing immigrants to work in that industry and earn money that way than rather criminalizing drugs which causes narco-terrorism in Mexico and South America that causes those immigrants to flee their homeland and come to the US for safety and to work in jobs that have nothing to do with the drug cartels which currently control the Mexican economy.
 
dixiesolutions said:
Rick Perry is correct. The drugs comeing into United States by way of Mexico, is going to be a more severe problem if it's not delt with.
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Everybody agrees that the troubles within Mexico needs to be dealt with. Where the disagreements happen is exactly how to deal with it.

dixiesolutions said:
Those simple mind liberals that say Perry's wrong, is because they could give a rats fart about what's happening.
They need and use the drugs comeing across the borders.
Some of the biggest drug lords and dealers are resideing in our back yards in the U.S.
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Yes, the biggest drug lords and dealer are, indeed, residing in our backyards in the US. But are you seriously going to tell me that not one card-carrying member of the Republican Party who is a conservative has never used a drug recreationally in the past 40 years? If so, then you are just proving your own partisan hackery and intellectual dishonesty.

dixiesolutions said:
They keep the ignorant American society well supplied...And liberal politicians like it that way.
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And conservative politicians like the influx of cheap laborers to exploit when illegal immigrants come across the border, so I guess they're just as bad too, huh?
 
Funny how the Republicans are so fragmented on the subject of war...
They supported Iraq, they now disapprove of Afghanistan (purely because of Obama), they are mostly more war-minded than liberals, and now Perry is advocating a confrontation in Mexico.
I know that Conservative/Republican ideals are not rules, there are changes and own individuals' beliefs, yet the Republican stance on war in general seems at best...confusing
 
Proud South Korean said:
Funny how the Republicans are so fragmented on the subject of war...
They supported Iraq, they now disapprove of Afghanistan (purely because of Obama), they are mostly more war-minded than liberals, and now Perry is advocating a confrontation in Mexico.
I know that Conservative/Republican ideals are not rules, there are changes and own individuals' beliefs, yet the Republican stance on war in general seems at best...confusing
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I was just thinking the same about liberals. They are all for assassination as long as liberals are conducting the assassination. This is after lobbying to prosecute alleged (can't say the word too loud because it isn't politically correct, Islamic terrorists).

:allhail
 
samsmart said:
So would legalizing recreational drugs by allowing immigrants to work in that industry and earn money that way than rather criminalizing drugs which causes narco-terrorism in Mexico and South America that causes those immigrants to flee their homeland and come to the US for safety and to work in jobs that have nothing to do with the drug cartels which currently control the Mexican economy.
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while I agree on the effectiveness of legalizing marijuana - it doesn't have the same electoral punch in a Republican primary that putting the military on the border and going after the cartels does. Perry needs something to demonstrate that he's hard on the border rather than soft on illegals
 
Proud South Korean said:
Funny how the Republicans are so fragmented on the subject of war...
They supported Iraq, they now disapprove of Afghanistan (purely because of Obama)
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no, generally those who disapproved of Afghanistan before (Ron Paul) disapprove of it now, and the same is true of the support. the main Republican criticism of Obama over Afghanistan is not that we are there, but that his withdrawal date is artificially designed to benefit him politically rather than ensure victory.
 
Sending troops into Mexico is absurd. It is beyond stupid, but so is Perry. A lot of people don't understand how interconnected states like Arizona are with Mexico. Mexico is a good neighbor. We have many social, medical, commercial and emergency agreements with Mexico. Many of our border towns are simply split in half. Nogales, Arizona is the northern half of Nogales, Sonora.

So we send troops into Mexico because America is the largest drug addicted nation on earth. It's Mexico's fault, no? Goddam Mexico! If they would stop selling meth to Americans Americans would stop buying meth. Brilliant logic.
 
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