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Perry Leads Republican Field in National Poll

Conservative said:
Spoken like a true big govt. liberal who believes it is the government's role to take on parental responsibilities.
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You have no sense of humor - that is now obvious - if there was any question remaining about it.
 
Gill said:
I'm sure the workers that designed and built that jet would disagree.
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Hardly the point. We are spending billions of dollars on weapons systems for which there is no opponent. We have developed state of the art air interceptors than have no enemies. Nobody wastes money like the defense industry wastes money. Given a choice between providing decent living conditions and training for it's soldiers or buying big ticket items like billion dollar aircraft carriers, they'll pick the aircraft carrier every time.

The purpose of spending money for weapons is not to provide defense contractors and their employees with big paydays. Perhaps you were unaware of that.
 
Gill said:
I'm sure the workers that designed and built that jet would disagree.
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I'm sure they are happy to get a paycheck. I'm not to sure they are to happy the thing cost 100 million or that it can not be used in combat so far.
 
winston53660 said:
I'm sure they are happy to get a paycheck. I'm not to sure they are to happy the thing cost 100 million or that it can not be used in combat so far.
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Yea, but you gotta admit the fighter jet probably looks pretty freakin' cool!
 
haymarket said:
Surpluses!?!?!?!?! Why do we need SURPLUSES to pay our obligations? We will have lots of revenue.
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no, we don't. in fact, we have rather historically low revenue at the moment, due to the fact that government has expanded way beyond it's post-war norm, taking up a much larger chunk of the economy.

we are currently running a trillion - plus deficit. in order to pay back the Trust Fund, we would have to be running a surplus so that we would have the extra money to do so. you can call it an "obligation", a "promise" a "debt to ourselves", whatever you like - that doesn't alter the fact that the money isn't there.

there are ways to get it, mind you; through cuts to other programs. unfortunately, the only program with enough cash to cover Social Security's shortfall.... is Medicare and Medicaid.
 
Not meaning to spoil anyone's debate or anything but I just thought you guys might want to check out Perry's words, and the validity thereof, perhaps helping you to ascertain how much Perry says that is true, not true, or outright politician bull****. We all have to expect some degree of bull**** coming out of a politicians mouth, and I was surprised to learn that Perry has even spoken words that were as much as half truthful. That put's him ahead of a lot of his political collegues. But still, the guy is full of ****. Is this the best we Americans can get out of our "leaders?" "Bull****" and "Only half-bull****?"

PolitiFact | Rick Perry's file
 
Captain America said:
Not meaning to spoil anyone's debate or anything but I just thought you guys might want to check out Perry's words, and the validity thereof, perhaps helping you to ascertain how much Perry says that is true, not true, or outright politician bull****. We all have to expect some degree of bull**** coming out of a politicians mouth, and I was surprised to learn that Perry has even spoken words that were as much as half truthful. That put's him ahead of a lot of his political collegues. But still, the guy is full of ****. Is this the best we Americans can get out of our "leaders?" "Bull****" and "Only half-bull****?"

PolitiFact | Rick Perry's file
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As Kinky Friedman said last not, "I would vote for Charlie Sheen over Barack Obama" and that speaks volumes since Friedman knows Perry first hand and ran against him in a very dirty campaign. Friedman is supporting Perry.
 
Conservative said:
As Kinky Friedman said last not, "I would vote for Charlie Sheen over Barack Obama" and that speaks volumes since Friedman knows Perry first hand and ran against him in a very dirty campaign. Friedman is supporting Perry.
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Gotta love Kinky! LOL! (Personally, I'd prefer Willy over either of them but I digress.)

But it surprises me none. He's a Texan. There are a LOT of crazy Texans backing Perry. Compared to the competition, Perry's MUCH whiter. It's Texas! The Lone Star State. Texas is famous for their independant craziness. Keep Austin weird. I can dig it!

Just sayin' it ain't gonna fly coast to coast. Texans might be somewhat entertaining in their "noble" heritage and the "bigger and better" facade, but that pretty much begins and ends at the festival gate for most Americans. Just sayin'.

Viva la Tejas. Don't mess with Texas. Yeeehaw!
 
Conservative said:
No problem, you are on. I will count on your keeping track of this bet. Who knows, I may not last here that long.
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OK, I have bookmarked this thread for future reference. To summarize: If Perry gets the nomination, and loses, then I win. If he gets elected, then you win. If he doesn't get the nomination, then it's a draw. Loser has to use a sig line chosen by the winner for a week, but no forum rules violations.
 
Dittohead not! said:
OK, I have bookmarked this thread for future reference. To summarize: If Perry gets the nomination, and loses, then I win. If he gets elected, then you win. If he doesn't get the nomination, then it's a draw. Loser has to use a sig line chosen by the winner for a week, but no forum rules violations.
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Exactly, works for me. I will think up a good sig line for you
 
Conservative said:
As Kinky Friedman said last not, "I would vote for Charlie Sheen over Barack Obama" and that speaks volumes since Friedman knows Perry first hand and ran against him in a very dirty campaign. Friedman is supporting Perry.
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How can Perry win a national election when he calls Social Security a Ponzi scheme?
 
pbrauer said:
How can Perry win a national election when he calls Social Security a Ponzi scheme?
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Not with the braindead who believe their money is in a lock box and waiting for them to retire. By definition SS is a ponze scheme

A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation that pays returns to separate investors so what would you call your money going to me or someone else at retirement?
 
Conservative said:
Not with the braindead who believe their money is in a lock box and waiting for them to retire. By definition SS is a ponze scheme

A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation that pays returns to separate investors so what would you call your money going to me or someone else at retirement?
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I see you can copy from Wikipedia, now answer my question.
 
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pbrauer said:
I see you can copy from Wikipedia, now answer my question.
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Yes, telling the truth is something that politicians don't do often enough so Perry can be elected. In fact anyone can beat Obama with the record he has generated. In the worlds of Obama, "let me be perfectly clear" Obamanomics is a failure.
 
Conservative said:
Yes, telling the truth is something that politicians don't do often enough so Perry can be elected. In fact anyone can beat Obama with the record he has generated. In the worlds of Obama, "let me be perfectly clear" Obamanomics is a failure.
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I will love the Sig line Dittohead not! comes up with.
 
winston53660 said:
And what if Bachmann gets it?
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I am with Kinky Friedman who said "I will vote for Charlie Sheen over Obama." Anyone beats the disaster in the WH right now even Bachmann although she will not win the nomination
 
Conservative said:
I don't know if Perry will get the nomination or whether it will be Romney, either one has my vote vs Obama
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Right now, I'd vote for Romney over anyone else who we know is running.

Perry and Bachmann are both nutcases, IMO.

Romney has a better chance than anyone else of leading this nation out of the quagmire it's currently in. I don't know whether he can do it or not, but if he can't, then probably none of the candidates on either side can.

Just my humble opinion. It could be wrong.

I was wrong about LBJ vs Goldwater. I voted for LBJ because I was afraid Goldwater would get us into a war. Such irony.
 
Conservative said:
I am with Kinky Friedman who said "I will vote for Charlie Sheen over Obama." Anyone beats the disaster in the WH right now even Bachmann although she will not win the nomination
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You do realize if she holds her promise of 2 $ a gallon gas that would most likely be very very bad for Texas.
 
Dittohead not! said:
I was wrong about LBJ vs Goldwater. I voted for LBJ because I was afraid Goldwater would get us into a war. Such irony.
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I find that funny because my mother told me in Sep/Oct 2008 that she wasn't voting for McCain because she was told that McCain supported having a tax penalty for not having health insurance.
 
roguenuke said:
I find that funny because my mother told me in Sep/Oct 2008 that she wasn't voting for McCain because she was told that McCain supported having a tax penalty for not having health insurance.
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LOL! Politics is full of such ironies.

How do any of the voters know what a candidate will really do when he/she gets elected? It's a crapshoot.

Right now, we're shooting for a ten.
 
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