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Is it getting time to invoke the Declaration of Independence again?

WWithout the Declaration of Independence the Constitution has obviously no time to be attached for her existence. (Year of our Lord is the same issue but another extension). Try to remove the year of the Independence and the year of our Lord form the Constitution, then you must have also nulified the Constitution.

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I'm not sure what exactly you're trying to say here. The declaration is a tremendously important document, but it's not law, never has been, and never will be. Sorry you don't like that, but nothing you can argue will change that fact.
 
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I'm not sure what exactly you're trying to say here. The declaration is a tremendously important document, but it's not law, never has been, and never will be. Sorry you don't like that, but nothing you can argue will change that fact.

Why must you slight what you said "It really has no application today, since we as a country are not subservient to any other country"? When it has application, what kind of application do you conceive it had? When did the application end? How does the Constitution remove its application in the following statement found in the Constitution: "... present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of... the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In Witness..." As I told you previously, try to remove "the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth", then what is left to you would be an invalid document.
 
Why must you slight what you said "It really has no application today, since we as a country are not subservient to any other country"? When it has application, what kind of application do you conceive it had? When did the application end? How does the Constitution remove its application in the following statement found in the Constitution: "... present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of... the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In Witness..." As I told you previously, try to remove "the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth", then what is left to you would be an invalid document.

Well, how would the declaration apply today? Are we the subject of a despot? Are we not given representation in our government? Has this despot made our representatives go to "places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures"? Is the judiciary subject to this despot's will? (and so on...)
 
Well, how would the declaration apply today? Are we the subject of a despot? Are we not given representation in our government? Has this despot made our representatives go to "places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures"? Is the judiciary subject to this despot's will? (and so on...)
Since you intentionally skip many times answering my question how it was applied in the past and when the application was ended, I have full reason to believe that you try to escape from facing the question that you proposed: "The Declaration has no application today". On the contrary, I am able to answer your question regarding the past and present application.

An absolute fundamental application of the Declaration is her function and application to make the Constitution valid, and the validity of the Constitution must depend on the Declaration forever. Once the Constitution is allowed to isolate from the Declaration, the constitution is no longer the same thing that the founding fathers intend it to be.

Second, you cannot imagine that the removal of the Declaration can leave the Constitution to survive the grasp of some despots. This topic can be quite involved, I'll leave it for your understanding and imagination. However, if you insist me to furnish you with some thorough explanation, I will not hesitate to do that. I will not escape. But, at least, do you see how many amendments the Constitution has allowed herself to have? Without the principle guidance from the Declaration, some force can eventually make the Constitution gradually drift along some direction that another group of people do not agree. You can say that in a society, different groups of people always disagree with each other. But, if the Declaration is allowed to apply, one group of people can silence the other group with principle that both groups have accepted. Other wise, the silence will be realized through force, power, violence.

"Are we the subject of a despot?" The despot is in the formation; an embryo has been obvious. In fact, where did the founding fathers find the principle that forbade them from having a Constitution that was governed by a despot (but only so far)? The Declaration!

"Are we not given representation in our government?" Yes, we do; so did Soviet Union of Russia, so do Communist China, North Korea.

"Has this despot made our representatives go to "places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures?"
When the Black Panther members waved the baseball bet at the voting station, I did feel uncomfortable to go there; but some of our representatives did make some other representative not to pursuit the case, even the law should have been against the panthers (oops, I forget them being human beings, sorry). Can I reach my hand to your pocket to get $10? You'll say "F*** off". However, someone has been able to force the government to reach deep in some working people's pocket for money to feed someone who does not work. The despot's meat grounding machine has not been able to fully operate yet; it is on the way.
"Is the judiciary subject to this despot's will?" What do you think of that a mosque is escorted to be erected with triumph next to the place we feel heartbroken? What do you think of that our border must be maintained fully opened for criminals' pleasure?
 
Since you intentionally skip many times answering my question how it was applied in the past and when the application was ended, I have full reason to believe that you try to escape from facing the question that you proposed: "The Declaration has no application today". On the contrary, I am able to answer your question regarding the past and present application.

I haven't intentionally skipped anything; I honestly can't understand what point you're trying to make.

An absolute fundamental application of the Declaration is her function and application to make the Constitution valid, and the validity of the Constitution must depend on the Declaration forever. Once the Constitution is allowed to isolate from the Declaration, the constitution is no longer the same thing that the founding fathers intend it to be.

All of the important concepts in the Declaration are also in the Constitution, and the Constitution is law. This means the Declaration is not needed for our laws. It is still needed as an important historical document.

Second, you cannot imagine that the removal of the Declaration can leave the Constitution to survive the grasp of some despots. This topic can be quite involved, I'll leave it for your understanding and imagination. However, if you insist me to furnish you with some thorough explanation, I will not hesitate to do that. I will not escape. But, at least, do you see how many amendments the Constitution has allowed herself to have? Without the principle guidance from the Declaration, some force can eventually make the Constitution gradually drift along some direction that another group of people do not agree. You can say that in a society, different groups of people always disagree with each other. But, if the Declaration is allowed to apply, one group of people can silence the other group with principle that both groups have accepted. Other wise, the silence will be realized through force, power, violence.

"Are we the subject of a despot?" The despot is in the formation; an embryo has been obvious. In fact, where did the founding fathers find the principle that forbade them from having a Constitution that was governed by a despot (but only so far)? The Declaration!

"Are we not given representation in our government?" Yes, we do; so did Soviet Union of Russia, so do Communist China, North Korea.

"Has this despot made our representatives go to "places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures?"
When the Black Panther members waved the baseball bet at the voting station, I did feel uncomfortable to go there; but some of our representatives did make some other representative not to pursuit the case, even the law should have been against the panthers (oops, I forget them being human beings, sorry). Can I reach my hand to your pocket to get $10? You'll say "F*** off". However, someone has been able to force the government to reach deep in some working people's pocket for money to feed someone who does not work. The despot's meat grounding machine has not been able to fully operate yet; it is on the way.

Ah, now I understand! Why didn't you just say you were one of those irrational tea party crazies who believe that whenever the majority decides something you don't like, it's a dictatorship? OK, I get it now. I'll stop arguing, since it's a waste of time.
 
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All of the important concepts in the Declaration are also in the Constitution, and the Constitution is law. This means the Declaration is not needed for our laws. It is still needed as an important historical document.
You are quite right but not accurate enough. For example, the Declaration openly declares this country to be a country of Christianity, but the Constitution opens a door for anti-Christianity to take advantage, although not intentionally.

Ah, now I understand! Why didn't you just say you were one of those irrational tea party crazies...
Because I am not one of them, sorry, but I am a tea tanker. Do you want me to have been more rational as to label you with a political group and called you crazies two or more messages before?

...who believe that whenever the majority decides something you don't like, it's a dictatorship? OK, I get it now. I'll stop arguing, since it's a waste of time.
With the images you present as what the tea party dislikes, am I too far away to figure you are siding with the people you called majority who are
1. welfare recipients
2. insisting to have our border maintained wide open for criminals' pleasure,
3. escorting the will of those people who triumph next to where we feel grief,
4. shouting on streets to kill crackers of whatever color?
Please, with you rational thinking, tell me how a nation will not crumble with her majority of people coming out of the above backgrounds or camps.
If you cannot, please do not hijack the term of majority on your side. Stalin, Mao Tse-Tung, Saddam Hussein all did this, declaring they had the majority all the time, persecuting those who are against their "majority" and call them dictators. I do not believe you want to place you as low as these thugs.
 
Is it getting time to invoke the Declaration of Independence...

It's been way past time for many of us for a while now...

...living it is so much more glorious than simply philosophizing about it.

SHORT LIVE THE USSA!
 
It's hard to invoke a document with no legal authority, but I'm sure someone else has pointed that out already.
 
He clearly gave it respect by saying it was an important part of our history, but he is completely right by saying it has NO legal standing, which was the opposite from what creb was saying

No I'll tell you what the argument is. People that argue it isn't law, want to somehow make the argument that what's it says has no legal basis. This is total bull****. The Naturual Law supports everything in the DoI, Jefferson was merely making a case about what was already known. You want to take this to court and argue that I don't have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness....bring it on brother.
 
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