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    Does the Constitution Really Say Freedom of Religion?

    My church showed a film by a group called the Wall-Builders that stated that the intent of the 1st amendment wasn't Freedom of Religion, but Freedom of Conscience. This was in the 2nd last week before the election. They followed that up with a video clip - a plea from Ben Carson for a vote for Republican candidates.

    I didn't think Freedom of Religion was questioned in this country. From what I've read, James Madison, who authored the Bill of Rights (the 1st ten amendments), took the exact text from the Virginia Bill of Rights. Thomas Jefferson was the governor of Virginia. He was a self-professed Deist, and constantly spoke about Freedom of Religion. Jefferson and Madison, both Virginians, were friends for over 50 years.

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    Re: Does the Constitution Really Say Freedom of Religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Media_Truth View Post
    My church showed a film by a group called the Wall-Builders that stated that the intent of the 1st amendment wasn't Freedom of Religion, but Freedom of Conscience. This was in the 2nd last week before the election. They followed that up with a video clip - a plea from Ben Carson for a vote for Republican candidates.

    I didn't think Freedom of Religion was questioned in this country. From what I've read, James Madison, who authored the Bill of Rights (the 1st ten amendments), took the exact text from the Virginia Bill of Rights. Thomas Jefferson was the governor of Virginia. He was a self-professed Deist, and constantly spoke about Freedom of Religion. Jefferson and Madison, both Virginians, were friends for over 50 years.
    Freak group. They also claim weed is killing people, Obama set Israel up for destruction , and Thomas Jefferson didn't **** slaves. If you belive this you are naive. If your church spewed this non sense to you, you should run, run fast.
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    Re: Does the Constitution Really Say Freedom of Religion?

    Unfortunately many American Christians don't believe we have freedom of religion, only a freedom to believe THEIR religion. Yes we have that constitutional right and you should avoid hanging around people who disagree or oppose it.

    And FYI, Jesus was the kind of person who tore down walls between people, not someone who erected them. I'd question how Christlike someone can be if they consider themselves a "Wall Builder".
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    Re: Does the Constitution Really Say Freedom of Religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Media_Truth View Post
    My church showed a film by a group called the Wall-Builders that stated that the intent of the 1st amendment wasn't Freedom of Religion, but Freedom of Conscience. This was in the 2nd last week before the election. They followed that up with a video clip - a plea from Ben Carson for a vote for Republican candidates.

    I didn't think Freedom of Religion was questioned in this country. From what I've read, James Madison, who authored the Bill of Rights (the 1st ten amendments), took the exact text from the Virginia Bill of Rights. Thomas Jefferson was the governor of Virginia. He was a self-professed Deist, and constantly spoke about Freedom of Religion. Jefferson and Madison, both Virginians, were friends for over 50 years.
    Why is your church preaching politics?

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    Re: Does the Constitution Really Say Freedom of Religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    Freak group. They also claim weed is killing people, Obama set Israel up for destruction , and Thomas Jefferson didn't **** slaves. If you belive this you are naive. If your church spewed this non sense to you, you should run, run fast.
    Good advice. I did just that. However, my wife continues to attend there.

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    Re: Does the Constitution Really Say Freedom of Religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Unfortunately many American Christians don't believe we have freedom of religion, only a freedom to believe THEIR religion. Yes we have that constitutional right and you should avoid hanging around people who disagree or oppose it.

    And FYI, Jesus was the kind of person who tore down walls between people, not someone who erected them. I'd question how Christlike someone can be if they consider themselves a "Wall Builder".
    I agree whoeheartedly, and the following week, I attended and discussed the "Wall-Builder" logic at a pre-church meeting, which was very well-attended.

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    Re: Does the Constitution Really Say Freedom of Religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Why is your church preaching politics?
    1.Because there is not a "one at a time" clause in the first amendment.Meaning they can preach about Jesus, run a newspaper, talk about politics, petition for a redress of grievances to the government, protest peacefully, and or talk about politics all at the same time.

    2.Its the duty of any good religious leader to inform his or her congregation/members what moral choices their members should be making including picking politicians who are moral. I know leftist and die hard atheists believe that when you go vote that you are supposed to tell what ever god you believe in to go **** him or herself that you are going to vote however you want regardless if the candidate contradicts those religious beliefs.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Does the Constitution Really Say Freedom of Religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Why is your church preaching politics?
    I live in a rural area of Colorado, and this is fairly commonplace here. I think it's a lot more commonplace everywhere, than you may think. Years ago, we were attending a large congregational church, and after the service, the week before the election, Christian Coalition pamphlets appeared on windshields in the parking lot. The large amount of early voting here in Colorado thwarts their efforts. But I think they have a huge impact elsewhere. Every vote becomes a 2-vote swing.

    2016 Voter Guide Project | Christian Coalition
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    Re: Does the Constitution Really Say Freedom of Religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Media_Truth View Post
    My church showed a film by a group called the Wall-Builders that stated that the intent of the 1st amendment wasn't Freedom of Religion, but Freedom of Conscience. This was in the 2nd last week before the election. They followed that up with a video clip - a plea from Ben Carson for a vote for Republican candidates.

    I didn't think Freedom of Religion was questioned in this country. From what I've read, James Madison, who authored the Bill of Rights (the 1st ten amendments), took the exact text from the Virginia Bill of Rights. Thomas Jefferson was the governor of Virginia. He was a self-professed Deist, and constantly spoke about Freedom of Religion. Jefferson and Madison, both Virginians, were friends for over 50 years.
    The 1st amendment is pretty "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". that means government can not prohibit any religion and has to take a neutral stance on religion.IE freedom of religion. Freedom of conscience is a by-product of that due to the fact that is part of exercising your religion.Much the same way the right to privacy is a by-product of the 4th amendment due to law enforcement needing warrants based on probable cause to search people and their belongings and to seize persons and property(people deliberately try to claim the 4th amendment is about privacy in order to say well since you are outside then you have no expectation of privacy in order to get around the 4th amendment ).
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Does the Constitution Really Say Freedom of Religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The 1st amendment is pretty "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". that means government can not prohibit any religion and has to take a neutral stance on religion.IE freedom of religion. Freedom of conscience is a by-product of that due to the fact that is part of exercising your religion.Much the same way the right to privacy is a by-product of the 4th amendment due to law enforcement needing warrants based on probable cause to search people and their belongings and to seize persons and property(people deliberately try to claim the 4th amendment is about privacy in order to say well since you are outside then you have no expectation of privacy in order to get around the 4th amendment ).
    Key statement being "neutral stance". Yes, the First Amendment requires the government be neutral on all matters religious. Some people have a hard time understanding that simple requirement.

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