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    Supreme Recursion

    Dear Debate Politics Members,

    Both California and "United States of America" seem claiming republic status.

    Wondering how two peoples and two representative sets may both claim supreme power.

    With regard,

    Anthony Brian Mallgren

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    Re: Supreme Recursion

    Califirnia isn't going anywhere. They just have trouble accepting adversity that is not of their own making.

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    Re: Supreme Recursion

    Quote Originally Posted by Latium View Post
    Dear Debate Politics Members,

    Both California and "United States of America" seem claiming republic status.

    Wondering how two peoples and two representative sets may both claim supreme power.

    With regard,

    Anthony Brian Mallgren
    They don't, in the case of California "Republic" is just a term of usage within the State. The official name is the State of California. Technically they are sovereign within their State borders, but subordinate to the Federal government for national policy, etc. It comes from the short history of the existence of California as a Republic:

    The California Republic was a short-lived, unrecognized breakaway state that, for twenty-five days in 1846, militarily controlled the area to the north of the San Francisco Bay in the present-day state of California.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Republic

    It's similar to a Texan saying he is from the Republic of Texas.

    On March 1, 1836 the Convention of 1836 came to order, and the next day declared independence from Mexico, establishing the Republic of Texas. On October 13, 1845, a large majority of voters in the republic approved both the American offer and the proposed constitution that specifically endorsed slavery and emigrants bringing slaves to Texas.[29] This constitution was later accepted by the US Congress, making Texas a US state on the same day annexation took effect, December 29, 1845.
    Texas had just under 10 years of Independence before becoming a U.S. State.

    Other States call themselves other things like the Commonwealth of New York.
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    Re: Supreme Recursion

    I guess I don't understand the question. California can't call themselves a republic? Why not? They have a constitution and a representative legislature that upholds it.

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    Re: Supreme Recursion

    At one time in america states were actually republics, however that is no longer true.

    Why you may ask, because today referendums and the electoral process within a state is democratic, where it once was not.

    The states have been turned into democratic forms by the people and the USSC.

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    Re: Supreme Recursion

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    They don't, in the case of California "Republic" is just a term of usage within the State. The official name is the State of California. Technically they are sovereign within their State borders, but subordinate to the Federal government for national policy, etc. It comes from the short history of the existence of California as a Republic:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Republic

    It's similar to a Texan saying he is from the Republic of Texas.



    Texas had just under 10 years of Independence before becoming a U.S. State.

    Other States call themselves other things like the Commonwealth of New York.
    Additionally, Vermont was an independent republic before joining the Union, and Hawaii was an independent kingdom.
    If you feel a need to "reinterpret" the Constitution, you must know that what you want to do is unconstitutional.
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