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    Why we have an electoral college [W:196]

    There was a lot of discussion regarding the fact that Hillary won the popular vote and should therefore have won the election. The fact of the matter is that we DO elect our president via popular vote but we do so indirectly. Your vote counts at the state level and then the states vote for president. You might not like it but that's the way it works.....and here's why the system was designed that way -

    Politico has the popular vote count at 62.5M for Hillary and 61.2 M for Trump. That's a difference of 1.3M votes and I've heard suggestions that the final total will be Hillary by more than 2 million votes. That's a pretty compelling argument but if you look into it:

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    From the LA County Recorder's office, Hillary got over 2.1 million votes in the county while Trump got less than 700k.

    That alone is 1.4 million of Hillary's overage.

    Here's the NY Times figures for NY.
    http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/new-york

    The 5 Boroughs that are generally considered to be New York City are Manhattan, Brooklyn, Bronx, Queens and Staten Island. If you look at the votes in those boroughs you'll find that Hillary beat Trump by 1.5 Million votes.

    Just TWO CITIES accounted for roughly 150% of Hillary's popular vote win.

    THAT, folks, is why we have an electoral college. It prevents the possibility that voters in just two cities can control the election of a president.

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    Re: Why we have an electoral college

    Shamelessly cribbed from our member known as "American":

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/govern...ctoral+college

    I don't mean to step on your thread, merely amplify it. Without the electoral college, the country could easily split into several regions like Mexico where neither police or military go. Most of our US military members are from the red states.
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    Re: Why we have an electoral college

    And when you take out all the illegal immigrants that Obama that were told by Obama to vote in this election, Hillary might not have even won the popular vote.

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    Re: Why we have an electoral college

    More than that:

    1) Increases political power of states who ordinarily would not have much influence as a bloc or by themselves.

    2) Serves as an additional check against the demos, who at times favor demagoguery.

    Obviously, this time around, it failed to uphold one of those checks. No system is perfect.
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    Re: Why we have an electoral college

    This was the exact reason that the EC was put in place.
    In fact many of the writers of the constitution didn't like pure democracy due to the corruption of the system.

    The EC is in fact a balance of power.

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    Re: Why we have an electoral college

    correct.... the offices of congress and the president are all meant to be balanced AGAINST EACH OTHER by having each office elected by a different process


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    Re: Why we have an electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    THAT, folks, is why we have an electoral college. It prevents the possibility that voters in just two cities can control the election of a president.
    That's kind of true but it's equally true that with the EC, one or two states can control the election and, as you demonstrate, one or two cities can control those states. I don't deny the problem but I do deny that the EC is some magical solution to it. It's really just a different way with it's own unique flaws and complications.

    The other caveat I'd offer is that in your example, it isn't really those relatively small population of voters who determine the result of a popular vote but, by definition, every voter. You can split and categorise voters in all sorts of different ways but at the end of the day, they each get a single equal vote.

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    Re: Why we have an electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    There was a lot of discussion regarding the fact that Hillary won the popular vote and should therefore have won the election. The fact of the matter is that we DO elect our president via popular vote but we do so indirectly. Your vote counts at the state level and then the states vote for president. You might not like it but that's the way it works.....and here's why the system was designed that way -

    Politico has the popular vote count at 62.5M for Hillary and 61.2 M for Trump. That's a difference of 1.3M votes and I've heard suggestions that the final total will be Hillary by more than 2 million votes. That's a pretty compelling argument but if you look into it:

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    From the LA County Recorder's office, Hillary got over 2.1 million votes in the county while Trump got less than 700k.

    That alone is 1.4 million of Hillary's overage.

    Here's the NY Times figures for NY.
    http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/new-york

    The 5 Boroughs that are generally considered to be New York City are Manhattan, Brooklyn, Bronx, Queens and Staten Island. If you look at the votes in those boroughs you'll find that Hillary beat Trump by 1.5 Million votes.

    Just TWO CITIES accounted for roughly 150% of Hillary's popular vote win.

    THAT, folks, is why we have an electoral college. It prevents the possibility that voters in just two cities can control the election of a president.
    And why let a little thing like historical truth to get in the way of that modern explanation?

    Here is Alexander Hamilton from his Federalist 68 explaining why have the Electoral College

    It was desirable that the sense of the people should operate in the choice of the person to whom so important a trust was to be confided. This end will be answered by committing the right of making it, not to any preestablished body, but to men chosen by the people for the special purpose, and at the particular conjuncture.
    It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations.
    Hamilton says it was to give the actual choice - not to people regardless of where they lived - but to men most capable ... men who had the information and discernment necessary to pick somebody they liked if the masses picked somebody who failed to meet with the approval of this elite body so empowered.

    In simple English - the Constitution created the EC to thwart the will of the people if this elite body did not like the will of the people.

    No nonsense about who lives where or the city mouse and the country mouse and all that goes with it.

    Se lets all get on the same page of reality here as to why we really have the EC.
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    Re: Why we have an electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    THAT, folks, is why we have an electoral college. It prevents the possibility that voters in just two cities can control the election of a president.
    It actually isn't why we have it, though.

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