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Same Sex Marriage

legalimmigrant said:
I have no problem if they are dumb enough to die for their country. When they are drunk here, it becomes my problem because these young idiots can kill me.

Voting, drinking, and smart phone age should be 25 or higher.
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If we'd stop treating alcohol as taboo and teach responsible drinking when kids are young (doesn't mean give your 8 year old a beer either), talk to them, we wouldn't have the same high levels of issues with irresponsible drinking.
 
Quag said:
If you are mature enough to fight/kill die for you country you are more than mature enough to drink.
If any of the 3 should require an older minimum age it should be voting, as that does affect everyone.
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You could say the same thing about having kids: if they are mature enough to die for their country, they are mature to have a couple of kids.

No, they are not! Any dumb 18-year-old can sign up and die from a random bullet. Before they die, they are told every strep of the way by their officers what, when, and how to do things. No maturity needed to be a robot.

To have kids, you have to have a job, be responsible managing money, have the necessary patience to deal with kids when they are crying while some stupid football game is on. That's maturity, and we all know so very well what wonderful parents 18-year-old pimply guys make.
 
legalimmigrant said:
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Sources: "Extent, Nature, and Consequences of Intimate Partner Violence," U.S. Department of Justice: Office of Justice Programs: 30; "Intimate Partner Violence," Bureau of Justice Statistics Special Report:11.

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Sources:Laumann, The Social Organization of Sexuality, 216; McWhirter and Mattison, The Male Couple: How Relationships Develop (1984): 252-253; Wiederman, "Extramarital Sex," 170.

Ah, the joy of same sex marriage.
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A study from 1984, prior to same sex marriage being legal anywhere.
 
roguenuke said:
A study from 1984, prior to same sex marriage being legal anywhere.
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Prior to most GBL types be "out" as well, so I call skewed results due to lack of a true representation.
 
roguenuke said:
If we'd stop treating alcohol as taboo and teach responsible drinking when kids are young (doesn't mean give your 8 year old a beer either), talk to them, we wouldn't have the same high levels of issues with irresponsible drinking.
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There is no such thing as "responsible drinking" unless you mean water.

Would you say the same about cocaine? Just read your own sentence with cocaine instead of alcohol and try not to burst out laughing at its stupidity. Here it is:

"If we'd stop treating cocaine as taboo and teach responsible snorting when kids are young (doesn't mean give your 8 year old a line either), talk to them, we wouldn't have the same high levels of issues with irresponsible snorting."

Please, do not insult me by the revelation that alcohol is legal and cocaine is not. If you do, I will re-edit the above and replace cocaine with chewing tobacco or smoking cigarettes, both cancer-causing activities. Just as alcohol damages liver.
 
legalimmigrant said:
There is no such thing as "responsible drinking" unless you mean water.

Would you say the same about cocaine? Just read your own sentence with cocaine instead of alcohol and try not to burst out laughing at its stupidity. Here it is:

"If we'd stop treating cocaine as taboo and teach responsible snorting when kids are young (doesn't mean give your 8 year old a line either), talk to them, we wouldn't have the same high levels of issues with irresponsible snorting."

Please, do not insult me by the revelation that alcohol is legal and cocaine is not. If you do, I will re-edit the above and replace cocaine with chewing tobacco or smoking cigarettes, both cancer-causing activities. Just as alcohol damages liver.
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Alcohol is very different than cocaine. It can be used in a responsible way that in some cases has been shown to provide health benefits.

Tylenol damages your liver too.
 
legalimmigrant said:
You could say the same thing about having kids: if they are mature enough to die for their country, they are mature to have a couple of kids.

No, they are not! Any dumb 18-year-old can sign up and die from a random bullet. Before they die, they are told every strep of the way by their officers what, when, and how to do things. No maturity needed to be a robot.

To have kids, you have to have a job, be responsible managing money, have the necessary patience to deal with kids when they are crying while some stupid football game is on. That's maturity, and we all know so very well what wonderful parents 18-year-old pimply guys make.
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Deciding when and who can have kids is unenforceable unless you want to have some sort of police state, even then it can only really be enforced by the use of mandatory abortions.
As to the military if you can fight/kill/die for your country it only stands as reasonable that you have a voice in who is chosen to make the decisions to send you to fight/kill/die.
If you really think 18 year olds are that irresponsible then you shouldn't want them to have access to such expensive and destructive weapons as they learn to use in the military.
 
legalimmigrant said:
There is no such thing as "responsible drinking" unless you mean water.

Would you say the same about cocaine? Just read your own sentence with cocaine instead of alcohol and try not to burst out laughing at its stupidity. Here it is:

"If we'd stop treating cocaine as taboo and teach responsible snorting when kids are young (doesn't mean give your 8 year old a line either), talk to them, we wouldn't have the same high levels of issues with irresponsible snorting."

Please, do not insult me by the revelation that alcohol is legal and cocaine is not. If you do, I will re-edit the above and replace cocaine with chewing tobacco or smoking cigarettes, both cancer-causing activities. Just as alcohol damages liver.
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Alcohol in moderation has also shown to have health benefits.
7 Health Benefits Of Drinking Alcohol
There is no logical reason to have the drinking age at 21
 
legalimmigrant said:
...said every alcoholic at least once.
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Said medical researchers.
There is no logical reason to have the drinking age at 21
Now if you want to ban everything you dont like please feel free to campaign for that, just dont expect to get very far.
 
Quag said:
There is no logical reason to have the drinking age at 21
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Yes, doctor, there is a reason. From Teens and Alcohol

"Your brain is still developing and will continue to develop until your early twenties. Drinking during this time may damage your brain. Teens who drink alcohol have more memory impairment than those who do not drink.
 
legalimmigrant said:
Yes, doctor, there is a reason. From Teens and Alcohol

"Your brain is still developing and will continue to develop until your early twenties. Drinking during this time may damage your brain. Teens who drink alcohol have more memory impairment than those who do not drink.
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Do you want to ban soda? cigarettes? None of them have any positive health benefits only negative. Should people only be allowed out of their houses if they are wearing helmets because they might fall and get injured?
etc etc....
And none of this has anything to do with SSM.
 
Quag said:
Do you want to ban soda? cigarettes? None of them have any positive health benefits only negative. Should people only be allowed out of their houses if they are wearing helmets because they might fall and get injured?
etc etc....
And none of this has anything to do with SSM.
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Are you capable of staying on the subject of drinking age?

Or do you really think I am going to chase you wherever your creative mind wants to run to hide from a reasonable argument you have no rebuttal to?
 
legalimmigrant said:
Are you capable of staying on the subject of drinking age?

Or do you really think I am going to chase you wherever your creative mind wants to run to hide from a reasonable argument you have no rebuttal to?
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You are in a thread about Same Sex Marriage. Look at the thread title. You are way off topic. Please don't accuse anyone of not staying on subject when you aren't.
 
legalimmigrant said:
...said every alcoholic at least once.
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Pretty sure you are not qualified to diagnose a person as an alcoholic over the internet. Plenty of non-alcoholics say it too. Because there is plenty of actual research to support it.
 
legalimmigrant said:
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Sources: "Extent, Nature, and Consequences of Intimate Partner Violence," U.S. Department of Justice: Office of Justice Programs: 30; "Intimate Partner Violence," Bureau of Justice Statistics Special Report:11.

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Sources:Laumann, The Social Organization of Sexuality, 216; McWhirter and Mattison, The Male Couple: How Relationships Develop (1984): 252-253; Wiederman, "Extramarital Sex," 170.

Ah, the joy of same sex marriage.
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The first graph that you provide is not present in the original source you cited. I looked for the statistics that the graph represented, and found that a different graph "comparing" violence in cohabitors had data "not available" for opposite sex-cohabitors. So the first graph you put up is an absolute fabrication.

The second source doesn't appear to be available online, so pardon me if I don't trust your documentation on that, either.
 
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legalimmigrant said:
...said every alcoholic at least once.
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:doh


You say that in response to a post that linked to this: 7 Health Benefits Of Drinking Alcohol

Each of the cited benefits links to the study that found the benefit, or both an article about a study and a study. Are all the researchers alcoholics now too or.....? Was there a point to your remark?
 
MinRogerCooper said:
Why does it seem that people, especially the Church at large, want to make it as though Marriage is all about religion? Marriage in this country is a civil institution that can be given religious connotations, but is overall a legal institution. I personally believe that marriage is a civil right and shouldn't be denied anyone, and when granted it shouldn't be ridiculed and judged by people who are SUPPOSED to love everyone. So I am asking what are you guys' opinions regarding same sex marriage and the Constitutionality of denying/ or granting marriages between people of the same sex.

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In some countries they're bright enough to separate marriage, a religious event, and a civil union, a sanctioning of a relationship by the government. In at least one of those countries, gays can obtain a civil union through the state which gives them all the rights, privileges, and responsibilities of heterosexual unions but then they have to find a church that will "marry" them.
 
Patrickt said:
In some countries they're bright enough to separate marriage, a religious event, and a civil union, a sanctioning of a relationship by the government. In at least one of those countries, gays can obtain a civil union through the state which gives them all the rights, privileges, and responsibilities of heterosexual unions but then they have to find a church that will "marry" them.
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Correct like the US, we already have them 100% factually separated.
Religious marriage has nothign to do with legal marriage and vice versa in the US.
 
AGENT J said:
Correct like the US, we already have them 100% factually separated.
Religious marriage has nothign to do with legal marriage and vice versa in the US.
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That should be true but it isn't. The Defense of Marriage Act and other laws that deny same-sex couples equal protection under the law exist. Marriage is as much a legal and political term as it is a religious term.
 
Patrickt said:
1.)That should be true but it isn't.
2.)The Defense of Marriage Act and other laws that deny same-sex couples equal protection under the law exist.
3.) Marriage is as much a legal and political term as it is a religious term.
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1.) wrong, actually its 100% factually true in the united states. Theres not one fact that supports otherwise
2.) whether they exist or not is meaningless as they deal with LEGAL marriage and has ZERO impact on religious marriage a completely 100% factually separate thing.
3.) meaningless to the fact they are 100% separate. Marriage is also a business term and chemistry term doesnt change the fact that religious marriage and legal marriage are factually different and separate things.

Seems you are severely confused, they are already 100% factually separate, nothing changes that fact.
 
AGENT J said:
1.) wrong, actually its 100% factually true in the united states. Theres not one fact that supports otherwise
2.) whether they exist or not is meaningless as they deal with LEGAL marriage and has ZERO impact on religious marriage a completely 100% factually separate thing.
3.) meaningless to the fact they are 100% separate. Marriage is also a business term and chemistry term doesnt change the fact that religious marriage and legal marriage are factually different and separate things.

Seems you are severely confused, they are already 100% factually separate, nothing changes that fact.
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With the same outstanding authority as you cited in your post, nonsense. I notice you don't deny that by laws in most states the U.S. gays cannot legally marry and are denied equal protection under the law.
 
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