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    The rights of man and the duty of citizens

    Inaugural Address of President John F. Kennedy
    Washington, D.C.
    January 20, 1961

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    Vice President Johnson, Mr. Speaker, Mr. Chief Justice, President Eisenhower, Vice President Nixon, President Truman, Reverend Clergy, fellow citizens:

    We observe today not a victory of party but a celebration of freedom--symbolizing an end as well as a beginning--signifying renewal as well as change. For I have sworn before you and Almighty God the same solemn oath our forbears prescribed nearly a century and three-quarters ago.

    The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe--the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God.

    We dare not forget today that we are the heirs of that first revolution. Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans--born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage--and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world.

    Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.

    This much we pledge--and more.

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    In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shrink from this responsibility--I welcome it. I do not believe that any of us would exchange places with any other people or any other generation. The energy, the faith, the devotion which we bring to this endeavor will light our country and all who serve it--and the glow from that fire can truly light the world.

    And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you--ask what you can do for your country.

    My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.

    Finally, whether you are citizens of America or citizens of the world, ask of us here the same high standards of strength and sacrifice which we ask of you. With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God's work must truly be our own.
    The Left sure has changed 180 degrees. Quite astounding considering that Kennedy is probably thought to be one of the best Democrat presidents.

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    Re: The rights of man and the duty of citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Inaugural Address of President John F. Kennedy
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    January 20, 1961

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    The Left sure has changed 180 degrees. Quite astounding considering that Kennedy is probably thought to be one of the best Democrat presidents.
    When JFK was done with his speech, did he provide any actual verifiable evidence for his two statements of belief
    1- in God
    2- that God gives us rights independent of any involvement or action by man?
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    Re: The rights of man and the duty of citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    When JFK was done with his speech, did he provide any actual verifiable evidence for his two statements of belief
    1- in God
    2- that God gives us rights independent of any involvement or action by man?
    You are arguing with a duly elected official.

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    Re: The rights of man and the duty of citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You are arguing with a duly elected official.
    And a dead one. From your answer I take it the answer to both is a firm NO HE DID NOT PROVIDE ANY EVIDENCE.
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    Re: The rights of man and the duty of citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Inaugural Address of President John F. Kennedy
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    January 20, 1961

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    The Left sure has changed 180 degrees. Quite astounding considering that Kennedy is probably thought to be one of the best Democrat presidents.
    Has it changed or has the propaganda been fed long enough that some people have come to believe it.

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    Re: The rights of man and the duty of citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Inaugural Address of President John F. Kennedy
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    January 20, 1961

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    The Left sure has changed 180 degrees. Quite astounding considering that Kennedy is probably thought to be one of the best Democrat presidents.
    I liked JFK...very much. He was a popular president with a hot wife.

    I know of very few who think he was one of the best Democratic presidents, though.

    FDR was a great Democratic president; Harry S Truman was a great Democratic president; LBJ was a damn good Democratic president.

    JFK got some things done...and made us feel good about politics for a while.

    And while I acknowledge he was a Democrat...he was far from a leftist...so your 180 turn comment was self-serving.
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    Re: The rights of man and the duty of citizens

    By the way...the ONLY rights we have are rights that people (human beings) have fought and died for. And they are FAR from inalienable. We can lose them tomorrow if we screw up.

    Politicians of all stripes who talk about what the gods give us...are just serving up the pap many of us demand.
    To acknowledge what you do not know, is a display of strength; to pretend you know what you truly do not, is a display of weakness.

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    Re: The rights of man and the duty of citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    By the way...the ONLY rights we have are rights that people (human beings) have fought and died for. And they are FAR from inalienable. We can lose them tomorrow if we screw up.

    Politicians of all stripes who talk about what the gods give us...are just serving up the pap many of us demand.
    No one grants me the right to self-defense. I exercise that right of my own free will and to the best of my personal ability.

    No one grants me the right of self-expression. I also exercise that right of my own free will and to the best of my ability.

    I can be killed, and I can die naturally. Thus the right to life is not absolute.

    I can be incarcerated, and I can be forcibly muzzled, but those types of actions only inhibit my freedoms to a certain extent. They do not abolish my free will.

    It's like the right to rebel mentioned in the Declaration of Independence. In each case above you have the right to act, but it does not mean that you have a right to succeed.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: The rights of man and the duty of citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    No one grants me the right to self-defense. I exercise that right of my own free will and to the best of my personal ability.
    IF you want to consider that a right, in the context of this discussion…you win.

    You also have a right to have a nose and ears…using that reasoning. But if you want to participate meaningfully in the discussion in context…you probably should leave those things out.


    No one grants me the right of self-expression. I also exercise that right of my own free will and to the best of my ability.
    Go try to exercise your right to self-expression in Pyongyang…and then tell me about how you exercise it on your own. See how that works out.

    I can be killed, and I can die naturally. Thus the right to life is not absolute.
    IF you want to consider that a right, in the context of this discussion…you win.

    You also have a right to have a nose and ears…using that reasoning. But if you want to participate meaningfully in the discussion in context…you probably should leave those things out.



    I can be incarcerated, and I can be forcibly muzzled, but those types of actions only inhibit my freedoms to a certain extent. They do not abolish my free will.
    Any rights you have, within the context of JFK’s remarks (and my response), are rights people have fought and died for…not rights granted by any gods.



    It's like the right to rebel mentioned in the Declaration of Independence. In each case above you have the right to act, but it does not mean that you have a right to succeed.

    Okay. I never spoke to the question of succeeding in various acts.
    To acknowledge what you do not know, is a display of strength; to pretend you know what you truly do not, is a display of weakness.

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    Re: The rights of man and the duty of citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    I liked JFK...very much. He was a popular president with a hot wife.

    I know of very few who think he was one of the best Democratic presidents, though.

    FDR was a great Democratic president; Harry S Truman was a great Democratic president; LBJ was a damn good Democratic president.

    JFK got some things done...and made us feel good about politics for a while.

    And while I acknowledge he was a Democrat...he was far from a leftist...so your 180 turn comment was self-serving.
    Do you really think its fair to take apart that OP with facts like you just did?
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