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    Re: The rights of man and the duty of citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Master PO View Post
    the democrat party made the swing to the left in the very early 1970's after kennedy which is why there is the contrast of the two
    At first, though, Johnson and the Great Society should have been a warning that FDR policies were on their way to over reach in economic terms, the Democrats looked like they were going in the right direction with civil rights and all that. But out of the just cause has become a party of Neo-Liberal bigotry that is as you say diametrically opposed to the pre 1970 party policy.

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    Re: The rights of man and the duty of citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    This is a political debate
    What kind of "debate" did you honestly expect to have by starting a thread just to say the left sucks?



    It's just a trolling/baiting thread.

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    Re: The rights of man and the duty of citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Person View Post
    What kind of "debate" did you honestly expect to have by starting a thread just to say the left sucks?



    It's just a trolling/baiting thread.
    You could start by showing how current Democrat candidates are still in agreement with Kennedy and others of his era. If you can't/won't, then current Democrats are out of phase, as I said.

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    Re: The rights of man and the duty of citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The Left sure has changed 180 degrees. Quite astounding considering that Kennedy is probably thought to be one of the best Democrat presidents.
    Neither of those statements are in anyway contradictory to liberal ideas. It's republicans who seem to want free passes by dodging their tax burdens and robbing Americans of their basic human rights.

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    Re: The rights of man and the duty of citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWonka View Post
    Neither of those statements are in anyway contradictory to liberal ideas. It's republicans who seem to want free passes by dodging their tax burdens and robbing Americans of their basic human rights.
    Speaking of dodging tax burdens, who was Obama's first Sect Treasury?

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    Re: The rights of man and the duty of citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You could start by showing how current Democrat candidates are still in agreement with Kennedy and others of his era. If you can't/won't, then current Democrats are out of phase, as I said.
    You cited a lofty speech by JFK, not a truly great action. As an actual President, he wasn't so great despite his popularity. Bay of Pigs, Cuban Missile Crisis, constantly running women in and out of the WH, etc. He just wasn't that good and his constant philandering showed disrespect for the office. (Meanwhile today, people get spastic about Clinton's beej...)

    I'd say the Democrats are precisely in phase. Obama gave tons of lofty speeches. It's what he's best at. But as an actual President, he just wasn't all that good.




    The only reason JFK is remembered so fondly is that he was murdered at such a young age. He's practically been sainted because of it. If he'd served out his term, he wouldn't be so beloved.

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    Re: The rights of man and the duty of citizens

    People can be religious and still remain completely in harmony with the Constitution personally.

    The Constitution covers our laws and morality just fine without needing to resort to religious principles. There are many areas of overlap.
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    Re: The rights of man and the duty of citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    You also have a right to have a nose and ears…using that reasoning. But if you want to participate meaningfully in the discussion in context…you probably should leave those things out.
    False dilemma. You don't have a right to a nose because not everyone is born with one. Nor are all creatures on our planet born with a nose. Yet what is the one characteristic ALL creatures born on Earth share? The drive/desire to survive.

    Every living organism on Earth has this drive and they act in one way or another to do so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    Go try to exercise your right to self-expression in Pyongyang…and then tell me about how you exercise it on your own. See how that works out.
    It does not matter "how it works out." What matters is that I can do so of my own free will regardless of the consequences. Fear of consequences are irrelevant. Only MY choice to act or not to act is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    ny rights you have, within the context of JFK’s remarks (and my response), are rights people have fought and died for…not rights granted by any gods.
    Who mentioned God(s)? I spoke of FREE WILL. You think free will is a gift from deity? Or is it an innate characteristic of any sentient being?

    So I repeat. My rights to self-defense and self-expression are beholden to no government or any other person. They are exercised by my own free will and to the best of my ability.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: The rights of man and the duty of citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually there is a difference between your ability to defend yourself and a legal right to exercise self defense. The first is a mere physical ability of our species and most organisms as part of the instinct of self preservation. It has nothing at all to do with any rights one has as it is an ability.

    The second is a recognition by the nation you live in and its legal system that there are certain situations and conditions under which the law will excuse you taking physical actions against another which would otherwise be viewed as a possible assault or attack but under a legal provision of self defense are accepted as legitimate.

    The two are different and distinct.
    Sorry but no. All the law does is recognize that each person has a pre-exiting right to defend themselves. The law does not grant it, the law acknowledges it as a valid defense when this action causes death or harm to others.
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    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: The rights of man and the duty of citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Sorry but no. All the law does is recognize that each person has a pre-exiting right to defend themselves. The law does not grant it, the law acknowledges it as a valid defense when this action causes death or harm to others.
    Where exactly did this so called RIGHT pre-exist before government decided it was a right?
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