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    Re: The rights of man and the duty of citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    No one grants me the right to self-defense. I exercise that right of my own free will and to the best of my personal ability.
    Actually there is a difference between your ability to defend yourself and a legal right to exercise self defense. The first is a mere physical ability of our species and most organisms as part of the instinct of self preservation. It has nothing at all to do with any rights one has as it is an ability.

    The second is a recognition by the nation you live in and its legal system that there are certain situations and conditions under which the law will excuse you taking physical actions against another which would otherwise be viewed as a possible assault or attack but under a legal provision of self defense are accepted as legitimate.

    The two are different and distinct.
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    Re: The rights of man and the duty of citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    I liked JFK...very much. He was a popular president with a hot wife.

    I know of very few who think he was one of the best Democratic presidents, though.

    FDR was a great Democratic president; Harry S Truman was a great Democratic president; LBJ was a damn good Democratic president.

    JFK got some things done...and made us feel good about politics for a while.

    And while I acknowledge he was a Democrat...he was far from a leftist...so your 180 turn comment was self-serving.
    LBJ was a racist POS.

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    Re: The rights of man and the duty of citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Casper View Post
    Has it changed or has the propaganda been fed long enough that some people have come to believe it.
    The Welfare State started before McGovern, but the pacifist character began with McGovern and continued on. Lots of it promoted for politics and power.

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    Re: The rights of man and the duty of citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Inaugural Address of President John F. Kennedy
    Washington, D.C.
    January 20, 1961

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    The Left sure has changed 180 degrees. Quite astounding considering that Kennedy is probably thought to be one of the best Democrat presidents.
    Nice work at cherry picking. Clearly you have no use for Kennedy's message in it's totality, just the part that you can understand.

    Re-read, or listen to the address in it's entirety...if that is easier for you. You may then understand Kennedy's Democrat principles.

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    Re: The rights of man and the duty of citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The Welfare State started before McGovern, but the pacifist character began with McGovern and continued on. Lots of it promoted for politics and power.
    Never said otherwise, but the idea that Liberals do not understand service to their Nation or believe in God is pure hogwash (propaganda).

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    Re: The rights of man and the duty of citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Casper View Post
    Never said otherwise, but the idea that Liberals do not understand service to their Nation or believe in God is pure hogwash (propaganda).
    This is a political debate, don't forget that. Listen to Bernie Sanders, then get back to me.

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    Re: The rights of man and the duty of citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by 1751Texan View Post
    Nice work at cherry picking. Clearly you have no use for Kennedy's message in it's totality, just the part that you can understand.

    Re-read, or listen to the address in it's entirety...if that is easier for you. You may then understand Kennedy's Democrat principles.
    I think it's you who needs to reread it. I'm sure it's quite alien to you.

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    Re: The rights of man and the duty of citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I think it's you who needs to reread it. I'm sure it's quite alien to you.
    Kennedy's Democrat principle alien to me...

    You picked two lines out his address that fit your false narrative and left all his other Democrat principles out why? ...because they do not fit your narrative.

    You just can't discount the body of Kennedy's address and pretend the few lines you cited are Kennedy's Democrat principles...that is ridiculous.

    You may not agree with Kennedy's Democrat principles, and you may wish to ignore them...that does not mean he did not espouse them.

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    Re: The rights of man and the duty of citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    This is a political debate, don't forget that. Listen to Bernie Sanders, then get back to me.
    I know what Bernie is and it is why I would never vote for him. His following is mainly among the young that seem to think the old Professor is some sort of genius, nothing could be further from the truth.

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    Re: The rights of man and the duty of citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Inaugural Address of President John F. Kennedy
    Washington, D.C.
    January 20, 1961

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    The Left sure has changed 180 degrees. Quite astounding considering that Kennedy is probably thought to be one of the best Democrat presidents.
    the democrat party made the swing to the left in the very early 1970's after kennedy which is why there is the contrast of the two

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