Official Poll: Do we need a VP?

sangha · Nov 24, 2014

There has been some discussion about whether or not we need a Vice President for this convention and I have decided that, in the interests of consensus, it be put to a vote.

If the majority votes that we should have a VP, nominations will begin after which a vote will be held where all the nominees will be listed. If no one candidate wins a majority, we will have run-off election between the two candidates who received the greatest # of votes in the initial election.

***IMPORTANT NOTE: The changing of votes will not be allowed. However you vote in the poll is how your vote will be counted, so please be careful when selecting your choice.

EMNofSeattle · Nov 24, 2014

Aye, and I announce my candidacy.... If I can do that...

sangha · Nov 24, 2014

EMNofSeattle said:
Aye, and I announce my candidacy.... If I can do that...

There's nothing wrong with you stating an interest in running for the position. However, the motion has to pass first and then the nomination process starts. Of course, you can always nominate yourself during the nomination process but statements in this thread don't count as a nomination.

joko104 · Nov 24, 2014

Is participate in this still limited to those who voted "yes" on the original poll? Just asking, not arguing.

Declan · Nov 24, 2014

Perhaps we need a Prime Minister.

sangha · Nov 24, 2014

joko104 said:
Is participate in this still limited to those who voted "yes" on the original poll? Just asking, not arguing.

Anyone can vote in the poll. Whether or not that vote will be counted is up to the Sec'y and I really doubt the votes of posters who are not members of the convention will be counted.

EMNofSeattle · Nov 24, 2014

Declan said:
Perhaps we need a Prime Minister.

I think we need a special advisor to the under secretary of the department of redundancy department

Declan · Nov 24, 2014

EMNofSeattle said:
I think we need a special advisor to the under secretary of the department of redundancy department

Well as the delegate from the State of Indifference I am concerned that my constituents may balk at the idea that your advisor is labeled "special" though I admittedly am not 100% certain as my people are hard to read most of the time.

joko104 · Nov 25, 2014

sangha said:
Anyone can vote in the poll. Whether or not that vote will be counted is up to the Sec'y and I really doubt the votes of posters who are not members of the convention will be counted.

I read that as a "no" in terms of having a vote that counts. V can clarify if I read that wrong. It is reasonable to ask who's votes will be counted.

The most relevant question about all is will being able to vote with votes that count continue exclude 90+% of forum members and all new members when there are votes and polls on actual issues?

The Mark · Nov 25, 2014

If I might inquire, are we assigning any duties to the VP, if any, beyond "backup Pres."?

sangha · Nov 25, 2014

The Mark said:
If I might inquire, are we assigning any duties to the VP, if any, beyond "backup Pres."?

At the present moment, there are no formal rules that have been voted on so, for the present we're going with "advise the President and Sec'y", "backup President" and "share the load". However, I expect we will get to putting up some more concrete rules and having the convention vote on them. I also have some ideas that include some more concrete duties for the VP (which will also be subject to a vote)

Paleocon · Nov 25, 2014

This thread is now defunct as the results of the Presidential election have been clarified.

I am now Vice-President.

vasuderatorrent · Nov 25, 2014

Official Announcement from the Secretary of the Debate Politics Constitutional Convention

Here is the official vote count for the Debate Politics Constitutional Convention Presidential runoff after taking changed votes into consideration:

sangha (42)
Paleocon (21)
invalid votes (4)

The vote count concludes that there will be no Vice Presidential position. However, since the vote was so close the President has decided to hold a vote in order to receive input from all members of the Convention regarding this matter. It is important to the President and the Secretary that a spirit of Democracy be upheld whenever practical. Day to day administrative operations can be performed by utilizing Democratically elected officials without consulting the entire Convention. In big matters like this it is best to consult the entire organization for input. Please be patient and wait to hear the will of the Debate Politics Constitutional Convention.

Official Announcement from the Secretary of the Debate Politics Constitutional Convention

joko104 · Nov 25, 2014

Paleocon said:
This thread is now defunct as the results of the Presidential election have been clarified.

I am now Vice-President.

You are the only member of this forum to get rejected in 3 elections in a row.

But, then, look to the number of "likes" you have received for your messages? By that count your messages are among the most disliked on this forum. The extremely low number of likes you've received - and the low number you've given too - tell a lot about your personality, including not a personality to have any leadership position for that convention.

You have posted thousands of messages and yet in 1 1/2 years only 321 likes? You have read tens of thousands of messages, yet only liked 611? There is something seriously wrong in that compared to other members - and those numbers confirm what many people were posting about the election and you.

More people initially interested in the convention stated they were bailing out because of you more than any other reason they gave. Even of those still involved realized that about you - and I think Sangha and V came to realize this too.

Your begging and misinformation campaign failed. You lost for Prez. You lost for Secretary. And lost the run-off for Prez.

joko104 · Nov 25, 2014

Once again, other than for officers, is the convention going to remained closed in terms of counting votes in polls to everyone but those who voted "yes" on the original poll?

sangha · Nov 25, 2014

joko104 said:
You are the only member of this forum to get rejected in 3 elections in a row.

But, then, look to the number of "likes" you have received for your messages? By that count your messages are among the most disliked on this forum. The extremely low number of likes you've received - and the low number you've given too - tell a lot about your personality, including not a personality to have any leadership position for that convention.

You have posted thousands of messages and yet in 1 1/2 years only 321 likes? You have read tens of thousands of messages, yet only liked 611? There is something seriously wrong in that compared to other members - and those numbers confirm what many people were posting about the election and you.

More people initially interested in the convention stated they were bailing out because of you more than any other reason they gave. Even of those still involved realized that about you - and I think Sangha and V came to realize this too.

Your begging and misinformation campaign failed. You lost for Prez. You lost for Secretary. And lost the run-off for Prez.

first off, you don't speak for me

Secondly, if you are truly interested in contributing to this forum even though you did not join it (a premise I am willing to assume for the moment) then I would like to suggest that you take a few moments and a few deep breaths and then consider this:

YOU ARE NOT HELPING

This convention is based on consensus and attacking other members of the convention is not the way to build consensus nor is the kind of behavior that is conducive to the sort of discussions we're trying to promote here. I'm asking you to cut it out.

And for the record, Paleo has put in a lot of time and effort into this and has made some valuable contributions, IMO. If you think something he has done is something less than him farting rainbows and nuggets of gold, bear in mind that he's just another person and is not perfect. Instead of going after a contributing member, consider how you might contribute to the convention and if you have any concerns about the behavior of anyone here, I suggest you contact an officer of the convention through a PM

Zyphlin · Nov 25, 2014

Moderator's Warning:

Yeah, this isn't the basement no matter how bad certain members seem to want to treat it like it is. Lets stick to the topic of what you all are trying to discuss and ignore those trying to disrupt threads

vasuderatorrent · Nov 25, 2014

joko104 said:
I read that as a "no" in terms of having a vote that counts. V can clarify if I read that wrong. It is reasonable to ask who's votes will be counted.

The most relevant question about all is will being able to vote with votes that count continue exclude 90+% of forum members and all new members when there are votes and polls on actual issues?

At this time the only people that are excluded are those who voted 'no' in the original thread. That only accounts for 16 people. That is less that 90% of forum members as you have suggested. Since you have brought this issue up there are talks about what we should do about those 16 people. It has made it no further than talks at this point.

We may or may not have methods of membership that would extend to those 16 people in the future. At this time a person must vote 'yes' in the original thread to be a member of the Convention.

Your suggestion is worthy of consideration. I do appreciate your input.

vasuderatorrent · Nov 26, 2014

Voting is good for the soul.

29A said:
Yes

Agent J said:
Yes

AlbqOwl said:
Yes

Amandi said:
Yes

American said:
Yes

Americanwoman said:
Yes

Apacherat said:
Yes

azgreg said:
Yes

Beaudreaux said:
Yes

Bigfoot 88 said:
Yes

BrewerBob said:
Yes

Buck Ewer said:
Yes

Cardinal (doesn't want to be contacted)

chromium said:
Yes

Citizen.Seven said:
Yes

d0gbreath said:
Yes

DaveFagan said:
Yes

ernst barkmann said:
Yes

FreedomFromAll said:
Yes

Gaius46 said:
Yes

gdgyva said:
Yes

Geoist said:
Yes

Grand Mal said:
Yes

grip said:
Yes

hallam said:
Yes

Hamster Buddha said:
Yes

Hatuey said:
Yes

haymarket said:
Yes

imagep said:
Yes

Jango said:
Yes

jet57 said:
Yes

Kal'Stang said:
Yes

Kobie said:
Yes

Korimyr the Rat said:
Yes

Kushinator said:
Yes

Lovebug said:
Yes

Luftwaffe said:
Yes

mak2 said:
Yes

Navy Pride said:
Yes

Nilly said:
Yes

NIMBY said:
Yes

Northern Light (doesn't want to participate)

OrphanSlug said:
Yes

paddymcdougall said:
Yes

Paleocon said:
Yes

PirateMk1 said:
Yes

Poiuy said:
Yes

Psychoclown said:
Yes

rabbitcaebannog said:
Yes

radioman said:
Yes

RedAkston said:
Yes

Removable Mind said:
Yes

rjay said:
Yes

roguenuke said:
Yes

sangha said:
Yes

TeleKat said:
Yes

The Mark said:
Yes

TheDemSocialist said:
Yes

Threegoofs said:
Yes

tres borrachos said:
Yes

TurtleDude said:
Yes

US Conservative said:
Yes

vasuderatorrent said:
Yes

Wiggen said:
Yes

Your Star said:
Yes

29A
Agent J
AlbqOwl
Amandi
American
Americanwoman
Apacherat
Azgreg
Beaudreaux
Bigfoot 88
BrewerBob
Buck Ewer
Cardinal (doesn't want to be contacted)
Chantal
chromium
Citizen.Seven
CycloneWanderer
d0gbreath
DaveFagan
Declan
DifferentDrummr
EMNofSeattle
ernst barkmann
FreedomFromAll
Gaius46
gdgyva
Geoist
Grand Mal
grip
hallam
Hamster Buddha
Hatuey
haymarket
iliveonramen
imagep
Jango
Jesse Booth
jet57
jog
JP Hochbaum
Kal'Stang
Kobie
Korimyr the Rat
Kushinator
Lovebug
Luftwaffe
mak2
ModerateGOP
Moot
Navy Pride
Nilly
NIMBY
Northern Light (doesn't want to participate)
Ockham
OrphanSlug
paddymcdougall
Paleocon
PirateMk1
Poiuy
Psychoclown
rabbitcaebannog
radioman
RedAkston
Removable Mind
rjay
roguenuke
sangha
sookster
Superfly
TeleKat
The Mark
TheDemSocialist
Threegoofs
tres borrachos
TurtleDude
Unitedwestand13
Unrepresented
US Conservative
vasuderatorrent
Visbek
whysoserious
Wiggen
Your Star

tres borrachos · Nov 26, 2014

vasuderatorrent said:
Voting is good for the soul.

I asked not to be contacted again. Please remove my name from the list.

vasuderatorrent · Nov 26, 2014

Thanks for voting.

Chantal said:
Yes

CycloneWanderer said:
Yes

Declan said:
Yes

DifferentDrummr said:
Yes

EMNofSeattle said:
Yes

iliveonRamen said:
Yes

Jesse Booth said:
Yes

joG said:
Yes

JP Hochbaum said:
Yes

ModerateGOP said:
Yes

Moot said:
Yes

Ockham said:
Yes

sookster said:
Yes

Superfly said:
Yes

Unitedwestand13 said:
Yes

unrepresented said:
Yes

Visbek said:
Yes

whysoserious said:
Yes

vasuderatorrent · Nov 26, 2014

tres borrachos said:
I asked not to be contacted again. Please remove my name from the list.

I'll take care of that. I can't remove your name yet but I will stop contacting you.

Superfly · Nov 26, 2014

Wait - there are so many damn threads open. What am I voting "yes" for again? Whether or not we needed a VP?

sangha · Nov 26, 2014

Superfly said:
Wait - there are so many damn threads open. What am I voting "yes" for again? Whether or not we needed a VP?

Since the election did not result in Paleo's being elected as VP, I'm asking if we even should have a VP. If we agree that we should have a VP we will have an election for one.

I'll note that this doesn't mean that everything else is going to be put on hold until we elect a VP. We can still move forward on other matters. Tomorrow, I will be starting a poll about setting priorities. Once that's settled we can begin work

As far as too many threads, we have a choice. We can work on only one thing in one thread (which means it will take forever to get anything done), or we can multi-task which will require mulltiple threads. If you don't want to receive notifications, let vasudatorrent know and he will remove you from the notification list. Then you won't receive any more notifications and you can just check in whenever you like. Whatever works best for you.

Nilly · Nov 26, 2014

I do think we should have VP but in order to avoid loads more needless pedantry the VP election should just be held between the candidates that went for presidency (pending their acceptance of renomination) no need for a whole new nomination period etc . The quicker we can move out of 'pre-convention' mode the better. Lets not get bogged down.

Official Poll: Do we need a VP?

Should the convention have a VP?

Yes, the convention should have a VP

No, the convention should not have a VP

sangha

EMNofSeattle

No Russian ever called me deplorable

sangha

joko104

Declan

sangha

EMNofSeattle

No Russian ever called me deplorable

Declan

joko104

The Mark

Sporadic insanity normal.

sangha

Paleocon

vasuderatorrent

joko104

joko104

sangha

Zyphlin

vasuderatorrent

vasuderatorrent

tres borrachos

HoHoHo

vasuderatorrent

vasuderatorrent

Superfly

Salty, defiant, and completely non-compliant.

sangha

Nilly

stb