Thread: Views on gun control...are evolving.

Originally Posted by apdst

Along with attaching the death penalty to all gun crimes and actually carrying out the sentence, when convicted.

Crime would drop through attrition, if nothing else.

One very important caviotte. If a CCW holder is drinking while carrying that is a gun crime, otherwise if someone is DUI with a firearm in the vehicle it is a gun crime in most states because it's a firearm in commission of a crime charge. I don't think people should be death penaltied for that type of technical gun crime but malignant ones like armed robbery or murder......take 'em out.

Originally Posted by apdst

Along with attaching the death penalty to all gun crimes and actually carrying out the sentence, when convicted.

Crime would drop through attrition, if nothing else.

Really? You sound like Newt.

Study with serious numbers and reserach on the fallacy of deterrence.
http://www.uvm.edu/~vlrs/doc/deathpenalty.htm

Studies from other countries report the same thing.
Futurity.org – Death penalty may not impact murder rate

Originally Posted by taxigirl

Really? You sound like Newt.

Study with serious numbers and reserach on the fallacy of deterrence.
http://www.uvm.edu/~vlrs/doc/deathpenalty.htm

Studies from other countries report the same thing.
Futurity.org – Death penalty may not impact murder rate

It depends on how it is meted out and the speed of it. For instance shot by firing squad one week after sentence one appeal is more immediate than lethal injection 13 appeals over twenty years. If a person knows they can put off the inevitable indefinitely then they will be less phased by it than if it was immediate.

Originally Posted by LaMidRighter

It depends on how it is meted out and the speed of it. For instance shot by firing squad one week after sentence one appeal is more immediate than lethal injection 13 appeals over twenty years. If a person knows they can put off the inevitable indefinitely then they will be less phased by it than if it was immediate.

So you suggest minimal safeguards against innocent people being executed? What about the state moratoriums that have been instituted due to findings of innocence?

Originally Posted by taxigirl

So you suggest minimal safeguards against innocent people being executed? What about the state moratoriums that have been instituted due to findings of innocence?

Don't get me wrong. I'm not at all against having maximum appeals in a capital punishment case because of the permanence of the punishment. When a sentence cannot be rectified the accused should be given every chance to prove their case. I was mainly speaking to the effectiveness argument.

Originally Posted by LaMidRighter

Don't get me wrong. I'm not at all against having maximum appeals in a capital punishment case because of the permanence of the punishment. When a sentence cannot be rectified the accused should be given every chance to prove their case. I was mainly speaking to the effectiveness argument.

I guess you can't have both. In a perfect world we would not need worry about it. I am very reluctant to act on "permanent" solutions because of how fluid society can be, but that is a different argument. I wish everyone could be trusted with guns so the rest of us don't have to jump through hoops. I'm in the right thread now right?

Originally Posted by taxigirl

I guess you can't have both. In a perfect world we would not need worry about it. I am very reluctant to act on "permanent" solutions because of how fluid society can be, but that is a different argument. I wish everyone could be trusted with guns so the rest of us don't have to jump through hoops. I'm in the right thread now right?

Perfect thread for it. I'm not a fan of permanent solutions, however there must be an "ultimate" punishment for the truly guilty. If we can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt(and literally to the fullest extent) that someone ended another's life or otherwise had no regard for such then that is a legitimate capitol punishment case. My take on it is this, if one has either murdered(not simple homicide) someone or else permanently ruined their life(forcible rape, child rape, similar) then they are a contemptible human and subject to the worst punishment we can muster.

Originally Posted by LaMidRighter

Perfect thread for it. I'm not a fan of permanent solutions, however there must be an "ultimate" punishment for the truly guilty. If we can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt(and literally to the fullest extent) that someone ended another's life or otherwise had no regard for such then that is a legitimate capitol punishment case. My take on it is this, if one has either murdered(not simple homicide) someone or else permanently ruined their life(forcible rape, child rape, similar) then they are a contemptible human and subject to the worst punishment we can muster.

I would be interested in talking this out in a death penalty thread. There are so many factors involved and a lot of people try to make it black and white. I am interested to see what people think about retribution / revenge / punishment and how individuals treat it and what they feel when it happens.

Originally Posted by taxigirl

I would be interested in talking this out in a death penalty thread. There are so many factors involved and a lot of people try to make it black and white. I am interested to see what people think about retribution / revenge / punishment and how individuals treat it and what they feel when it happens.

No problem. I'll be happy to talk about that in an appropriate thread, p.m. me.

Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock

...He's in bed with tyrants and criminals, and he is on their side....

that is a lie, and you sir are a liar.

I want to keep guns out of the hands of criminals & terrorists. You seem to want to make it as easy as possible for a criminal to buy lots of guns in North Carolina only to see them to rapists & murderers in NYC. Hell, if you had your way you would end ALL background checks for any gun purchases.

Al Qaeda has called on Jihadists to come buy guns in the USA to use to fight "the Infidels", because gun laws are soo lax in the USA. You seem to want to make it as easy as possible for terrorists to buy guns and use them on American citizens.