Nazi Torture chambers, Mayfair Prostitutes and F1 Boss scandals rumbles on

Infinite Chaos · 04-04-08, 11:48 AM

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Pressure mounts on Mosley to quit

World motorsport boss Max Mosley is facing fresh calls to resign following allegations about his private life.

Germany's national motoring body, ADAC, has written to Mosley asking him to "very carefully reconsider" his position as president of the FIA. And Dutch motorsport federation, KNAF, has said it will vote against him at an FIA extraordinary general assembly.

"Because of his high-profile position, this can't be accepted," KNAF president Arie Ruitenbeek told BBC Sport. "I have not received my invitation yet (to the FIA meeting), but we will go and will vote for him to resign."

A British newspaper claimed on Sunday that Mosley took part in a "Nazi-style orgy in a torture dungeon". He has denied any Nazi connotations and apologised for any embarrassment.

The president of the Israeli automobile club (MEMSI) - another member association of the FIA - has said he is "shocked" by the recent revelations surrounding Mosley.

Yitzhak Milstein, president of MEMSI, told BBC Sport: "The facts, as published in the last few days, are shocking.

"It is especially surprising for us in view of the fact that our contacts with Mr. Mosley along the years have always been proper and correct, and never gave an indication of what the recent story may reflect. "Once the whole thing is clarified - and there is a better idea on how true the story is - we will make our conclusions known. And they will certainly match the severity of the matter."

On Thursday, Mosley, whose current term as FIA president runs until October 2009, called an extraordinary session of the assembly as pressure on him to quit escalated ahead of this weekend's Bahrain GP. In a statement, the FIA said the session will be held in Paris at the earliest possible date.

Mosley, 67, has indicated he is preparing legal action against the newspaper and that he will fight to carry on as FIA boss. Leading car manufacturers BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Honda and Toyota, who all have F1 teams, have issued statements calling on the FIA to replace Mosley.

A statement from ADAC, Europe's largest motoring organisation, said: "In a letter to FIA president Max Mosley, ADAC has distanced itself from events surrounding his person.

"The role of an FIA president who represents more than 100 million motorists worldwide should not be burdened by such an affair. Therefore, we ask the president to very carefully reconsider his role within the organisation."

Britain's member associations of the FIA have not been drawn into the debate as yet. Three of the member groups, the MSA (Motor Sports Association), the RAC (Royal Automobile Club) and the AA (Automobile Association), refused to comment when contacted by BBC Sport.

But a spokesman for the Caravan Club, which does not expect to have a vote at the meeting, said: "Immaterial of the current situation, we feel it is time for Max Mosley to step down and have done for some time."

F1 boss Bernie Ecclestone has commented, but in noncommittal fashion.
"This is an FIA thing, this is nothing to do with anyone else," Ecclestone told BBC Radio 5 Live. "It doesn't affect us in any shape or form. It's not what I think, it's what other people think.

"I'm happy with Max, I don't have any problems at all with Max. "Max will know what he needs to do, he is the president of the FIA, he is the one who will decide what goes on in the FIA, not me."

Mosley wrote to all of the FIA's 222 members - national motoring organisations from 130 countries - earlier this week to apologise for any embarrassment the affair had caused.

The FIA is a non-profit making association that represents the interests of motoring organisations throughout the world. It is also the governing body of international motorsport.

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It must be hard (no pun intended) growing up as the son of a famous British nazi and Hitler sympathiser but dressing up in concentration camp gear for sexual hi-jinks with prostitutes is not the cleverest thing in the world to do.

F1 is trying to clean up its act and has a huge international audience amongst many "brown" countries and this is not going down well with them. The car manufacturers who run /sponsor teams have realised the potential damamge to car sales and want him out.

Tis just a question of time...

Here's the scandal sheet that broke the story - beware pics of naked or topless women if you browse around elsewhere... you have been warned!

PeteEU · 04-04-08, 01:50 PM

Stupid story frankly.

Someone has it in for the guy and finaly found a way to generate enough media coverage. Roleplaying for sexual pleasure aint exactly new, and this would have generated about 0.1 media coverage if it had not been for the fact that the words "nazi", "concentration camp" and "jews" were involved. The first people to "protest".. of course the Jewish lobby in the UK, which quickly spread of course thanks to that groups links to certain newspapers and media outlets in the Uk and world wide.. It aint the first time they have managed to do it. Prince Harry meet with the same fate, but here the media did not "bite" as much as they have on this case.. guess having a facist wannabe Hilter for a father helps too.

But seriously, who cares! And yes I fully expect to be called an anti semite, terrorists lover bla bla bla, the usual smears to derail a debate.

Infinite Chaos · 04-04-08, 03:47 PM

You could make the same range of remarks about any scandal story involving a celebrity so I'm not quite sure of what you're trying to say.

Any "Bill" in the street (or his office) getting a BJ from an underling would make 0.1 news except if the "Bill" happens to be President of the United States..

Any Jonathon in the street (or his office) telling lies about backhanders would make 0.1 news except if the "Jonathon" happens to be a minister of the UK Government portraying himself as a "crusader of truth"..

I could go on - but basically any "news story" regarding someone in a position of power doing something that brings their office / industry into disrepute is newsworthy and must be brought to attention.

Zyphlin · 04-04-08, 04:27 PM

Give me a break Infinate. it has nothing to do with "president of the united states"

if the "Bill" was the CEO of Disney, New Corp, Time Warnre, McDonalds, Coke, Microsoft, Apple, etc it'd be just as big. Why? Because in general the public gives two craps about what joe average on the street does but it generates ratings to scoop something on someone thought of as "major"

WI Crippler · 04-04-08, 04:30 PM

Remember all that trouble Prince Harry got into when he got caught wearing the Nazi outfit?

Is Nazi dress en voug for the world elite these days?

Infinite Chaos · 04-04-08, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Zyphlin

--snip-- if the "Bill" was the CEO of Disney, New Corp, Time Warnre, McDonalds, Coke, Microsoft, Apple, etc it'd be just as big. Why? Because in general the public gives two craps about what joe average on the street does but it generates ratings to scoop something on someone thought of as "major"

No offence meant Zyphlin - you have written what I was trying to point out to PeteEU. I wrote it badly and chose examples wrongly as you mistook my intent. (and wrote it better than I did!)

PeteEU · 04-05-08, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos

You could make the same range of remarks about any scandal story involving a celebrity so I'm not quite sure of what you're trying to say.

Any "Bill" in the street (or his office) getting a BJ from an underling would make 0.1 news except if the "Bill" happens to be President of the United States..

Any Jonathon in the street (or his office) telling lies about backhanders would make 0.1 news except if the "Jonathon" happens to be a minister of the UK Government portraying himself as a "crusader of truth"..

I could go on - but basically any "news story" regarding someone in a position of power doing something that brings their office / industry into disrepute is newsworthy and must be brought to attention.

No you are wrong. Mosley on the "celeberity fame list" is wayyy down, and most people have never heard of him.. I follow F1 and barely registered him. Bill Clinton on the other hand is and was way more famous.. so frankly uncomparable. To compare, you need to have some Baseball owner cheating on his wife with a man.

The reason that this even registered on the radar, is very simple.. Jews. Like it or not, as soon as the word Jew, Nazi, concentration camp guard were involved, the jewish community leaders in the UK went abe**** and that quickly spread in the media due to pressure for said leaders. That in turn spread to "friendly" media outlets world wide and then the storm started. I have also no doubt that some people will see this an anti semtic attack by me, but let me assure you it is not. Look at the facts.

If it had been him being involved in interracial group sex, where the blacks were slaves, and whites whiping them, then I bet that there would be no where near an outcry as there is now. If it was where they were roleplaying that they were a familly and related, no outcry, or if they were roleplaying prostitutes vs customers.. no outcry.

Infinite Chaos · 04-05-08, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteEU

No you are wrong --snip-- The reason that this even registered on the radar, is very simple.. Jews. Like it or not, as soon as the word Jew, Nazi, concentration camp guard were involved, the jewish community leaders in the UK --snip--

You are of course entitled to your opinion - if this was something that upsets only the Jews and you wanted to make a "Jewish" issue out of it then somehow this weekend's Dubai (Arab Nation) Grand Prix should have been a totally comfortable place for Max Mosely to go to. It should also have been completely comfortable for Sheikh Mohammed, ruler of Dubai to attend - he's a man who loves his racing and his money and effort helped bring Grand Prix to Dubai and the Arab world.

I'm afraid I don't agree your views on this one - I'm with Zyphlin on this - I just chose far too high profile a set of candidates to illustrate my points.

Infinite Chaos · 04-06-08, 12:27 PM

Wrong Arab state - it was Bahrain.

However, if you're a fan of GP you'll know who "Jackie Stewart" is and it's his interview I'm referring to regarding the Arab view of Max Moseley's actions. He goes on to say if Moseley was CEO of any global organisation he would expect Moseley to have stood down.

As it is, Moseley will try and tough it out till the extra-ordinary FIA general assembly due to be held.