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Steelers deflating footballs

CanadaJohn said:
I said the AFC North was a tougher division, not the NFC North.

In addition, I don't have the stats in front of me, but how many of those Steeler loses to the Patriots were played in New England and how many were played without Ben Roethlisberger. I certainly remember the last time the Steelers played in New England, they conveniently had no headset communications on field and the sidelines, instead having a New England radio station fed in. Another one of the Patriot's famous "tricks". The point I made previously, a long time ago, was that because the AFC East was so bad, the Patriots annually won the division, uncontested, and had home field advantage in the playoffs. Those two facts are undeniable and major reasons for the Patriots success because when they go on the road in the playoffs, they're .500 at best.
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You know the NFC was a brain fart. Fine.

Your team lost how many times?

Your argument is invalid when you consider that most of the NFL have had the same results against the Pats.

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The East has little to do with anything. They would have been perennial champions regardless.

The AFC North suffered under Brady the most in the NFL.
 
Higgins86 said:
Do you have proof that the headsets were tampered with? Are you aware that communication issues are quite common in most NFL games?
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Nope, no proof. Just know that the Steelers, and others, have commented on this type of thing mysteriously happening in Gillette Stadium on a regular basis.
 
Higgins86 said:
The speed in which this has disappeared confirms to me that the patriots did nothing wrong. NFL want this to go away quickly before people start working that out.
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The speed with which it disappeared is directly related to the fact it was a false report. As I noted above, the Giants did not file a complaint with the league and the league stated the balls for the Giants/Steelers game were never out of the control of the on field officials. That procedure was put in place after the Patriots were caught, much like many other rules are put in place to counter Patriot "games".
 
RetiredUSN said:
You know the NFC was a brain fart. Fine.

Your team lost how many times?

Your argument is invalid when you consider that most of the NFL have had the same results against the Pats.


The East has little to do with anything. They would have been perennial champions regardless.

The AFC North suffered under Brady the most in the NFL.
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Once again, you just don't understand the argument. The AFC North is always very competitive, with at least two and usually three teams vying for the division title and at least one if not two teams vying for wild card spots. The AFC East, on the other hand, is perennially weak, with the Patriots waltzing to the division title and usually with a record padded by wins over their divisional patsies. As a result, the Patriots almost annually have home field advantage in the playoffs and so their record in the playoffs is enhanced further by the benefit of the division they play in. It is no different from when the AFC South was dominated perennially by Peyton Manning and the Colts in a division where the other teams were patsies and the Colts won the division with a padded win total.

As a result, the AFC North winner and the usual AFC North wild card entry had to travel for a playoff game because they spent the year beating up on each other in their own division. There's a reason why in football the AFC North is known as the "Black and Blue" division. Ben Roethlisberger took his Steelers from a 6th seed in the playoffs and won 4 games on the road to win his first Super Bowl. Tom Brady usually doesn't get to the Super Bowl unless all AFC conference playoff games are played at Gillette. Last year was a prime example.

I never once claimed that Brady isn't a great quarterback and the Patriots haven't been a great team while he's been there. I have claimed, and I stand by it, that the Patriots have greatly benefited from playing in a division where the rest of the teams are usually crap.
 
faithful_servant said:
Weren't the Raiders the ones who started giving their O-lines gloves that were dyed to match the opponent's jerseys to make it harder to tell when they were holding??
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Probably. :mrgreen:
 
CanadaJohn said:
The speed with which it disappeared is directly related to the fact it was a false report. As I noted above, the Giants did not file a complaint with the league and the league stated the balls for the Giants/Steelers game were never out of the control of the on field officials. That procedure was put in place after the Patriots were caught, much like many other rules are put in place to counter Patriot "games".
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Not true it wasn't a false report it just wasn't a formal complaint. The giants did however alert the NFL front office, the balls were measured and some of the balls were under the PSI 12.5. Ideal gas law and all that.

No formal complaint made though so it's like it didn't happen per the NFL rules, good thing the steelers and giants get on well.
 
Higgins86 said:
Not true it wasn't a false report it just wasn't a formal complaint. The giants did however alert the NFL front office, the balls were measured and some of the balls were under the PSI 12.5. Ideal gas law and all that.

No formal complaint made though so it's like it didn't happen per the NFL rules, good thing the steelers and giants get on well.
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IIRC the Mara's and the Rooney's are pretty close.

But it looks like there NFL is saying the footballs were never out of their sight. So this is a non-story.
 
Higgins86 said:
Not true it wasn't a false report it just wasn't a formal complaint. The giants did however alert the NFL front office, the balls were measured and some of the balls were under the PSI 12.5. Ideal gas law and all that.

No formal complaint made though so it's like it didn't happen per the NFL rules, good thing the steelers and giants get on well.
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Why would the Giants alert the NFL front office and not the on field officials if there was a problem with the balls? The on field officials are the ones who check these things and who are in control of the balls during the game. If there was a problem with the balls, unlike in the Patriot's case, it wouldn't have been the Steelers fault but the on field officials responsibility.

I appreciate that as a fan of the Patriots you're desperate to have any other team appear as dishonest as your own, but it just looks pathetic to anyone who isn't a Patriots fan. As for getting along well, I think the Steelers are a model franchise for the NFL and the Rooney's have been impeccable ambassadors for their city, for the game and for the NFL and there isn't the slightest hint of taint on their franchise. I'd imagine that pretty well all the NFL's franchises get along well with the Steelers organization.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
IIRC the Mara's and the Rooney's are pretty close.

But it looks like there NFL is saying the footballs were never out of their sight. So this is a non-story.
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That's fine but that doesn't explain the PSI levels. Unless the NFL are admitting that the PSI of balls can naturally deflate.
 
Higgins86 said:
That's fine but that doesn't explain the PSI levels. Unless the NFL are admitting that the PSI of balls can naturally deflate.
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We all know in cold weather that's exactly what happens. But I haven't heard much about this deflategate. So I have no idea how low the PSI was, how many footballs were low, etc.

But I doubt the NFL will officially admit cold weather might be a cause, because if they do then that throws doubt on the 1st defaltegate. This time they'll just say the footballs were never out of the NFL's sight, so all is good.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Destroyed his personal phone that had private information on it.

His lawyer offered to the let league officials look through the phone's messages under his and Brady's supervision.

Funny how you are all about personal rights until it comes to Brady.

C'mon!
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Don't know what you're talking about. He wouldn't have to provide it without a court order so I fail to see why he had to destroy his phone unless there was something on it or what rights you're talking about.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
I'm a Steelers fan, but right NOW. I wouldn't bet against the Ravens. Their defense is scary right now. And any football fan knows, if a team gets on a roll with a hot defense, that could take them right to the SB. Even Flaco, during the regular season he's average, at best. But in the playoffs, he numbers are damn good.

If the Ravens make it to January, they maybe a force.
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Just FYI Mannings playoffs stats are better than Franco's.

Flacco imo is a fluke. They won that SB based on the emotion and spirit created by Ray Lewis.

Ray lewis recently said Flacco lacks passion for the game. He hasn't won a SB since Lewis retired.
 
VanceMack said:
Heres a better question. Who cares about the inflation rate in a football? Seriously? The Patriots pummeled the living hell out of the Colts and scored 6 rushing touchdowns. They ran all over them. The possible under-inflation of a few of the footballs had exactly zero relevance in the game.

If the league cared about any of this they would hire ballboys and control the game balls all the time. It really wouldnt be that great a task.
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You are right Vance. A lot of people have an anti-Patriots bias. You see in the media and even on this forum.

Many petty fans are simply jealous of the Patriots success. The Patriots have been so dominant these desperate team like the Jets, Giants, and Colts find any reason to bring down the Patriots.

I personally don't care although with the Steelers, they have a coach that was caught on camera trying to cheat by going on the field purposely and distort Jacoby Jones's vision.
 
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“The PSIs were a little low,” Giants coach Ben McAdoo said.

According to the ProFootballTalk, the balls came in at 11.8 and 11.4 psi. The Giants told the league, although not via a “formal complaint,” whatever that is. The NFL isn’t saying much, but it apparently checked to see if the referees had maintained control of the balls and dismissed the situation quickly.

Why? Because by time the Giants obtained and presumably checked the balls on the sideline, the temperature in Pittsburgh was between 41.0 and 41.2 degrees, according to Weather Underground’s historical data.

Footballs lose air pressure in cold weather. The numbers were explained away by science, not cheating. This was nothing. Nothing happened, nothing at all.

“All footballs were in compliance,” the NFL stated after Fox’s Jay Glazer reported on the incident.
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That night, an Indianapolis equipment intern thought a Patriots football felt underinflated. The Colts tested it on the sideline and sent word to team officials above. The Colts general manager immediately went to the NFL’s suite and shouted, “We’re playing with a small ball.”

The league scampered down to test at halftime. League vice president Troy Vincent, who was in charge of such things, later testified he’d never heard of Ideal Gas Law. As such, when the readings started coming in under 12.5, no one spoke up and said, “Those numbers are explainable.” Instead, they thought anything below 12.5 was cheating and something like 11.4 was significant cheating. Ignorance was bliss.

The league immediately began working backwards, using damning and inaccurate leaks and the allowance of false reporting to stand for months to further their case. A multimillion-dollar “independent” investigation was launched.

It was a delicious scandal. The idea that Brady and the Patriots were cheating was good copy and fueled all sorts of fan and media angst.

It just wasn’t true. Not then and not as a parade of scientists came out screaming that everyone should’ve paid more attention in science class back in high school. Most of the footballs were fine, easily explained away by the weather.
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So this 2nd deflategate is pretty much proving that the 1st one was nothing but incompetence by the NFL, then later on in the 1st defaltegate was nothing more than the NFL realizing they screwed up so they decided to try and cover their incompetence up by letting BS leaks and stories out to the media. And people wonder why Brady didn't what to give up his Cell Phone. LOL

The footballs deflate in cold weather. Not really shocking to me. Both my cars have those stupid tire PSI sensors. In the winter? The little dash light is always on. Why? because the cold weather reduces the PSI in the tires.


Roger Goodell owes Tom Brady an apology
 
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PirateMk1 said:
Deflating/over inflating footballs is high tech?
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Well, I was thinking more of the spygate business rather than deflategate. Tampering with air pressure would seem to be fairly simple......OTOH, we are talking about footballers.....so maybe this air pressure thingy could be considered hi-tech.

Besides what team doesn't cheat? That's the real question.
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The Niners don't cheat. Their current record attests to this fact.

Cheating in the league is good. It means people really want to win, and they are doing everything they can to get that slim edge.
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Yeah, but then you get caught and have to pay a small fine---relatively--- and act as if you're contrite.
That contrition thing is tough.
Speaking of tough, as I was researching----oh yeah, all my posts are meticulously researched--- NFL films for this thread, I was amazed at the brutality of the game back in the day.
Blows to the head were de rigueur.
 
radioman said:
Well, I was thinking more of the spygate business rather than deflategate. Tampering with air pressure would seem to be fairly simple......OTOH, we are talking about footballers.....so maybe this air pressure thingy could be considered hi-tech.


The Niners don't cheat. Their current record attests to this fact.


Yeah, but then you get caught and have to pay a small fine---relatively--- and act as if you're contrite.
That contrition thing is tough.
Speaking of tough, as I was researching----oh yeah, all my posts are meticulously researched--- NFL films for this thread, I was amazed at the brutality of the game back in the day.
Blows to the head were de rigueur.
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To be honest a little of that brutality needs to come back. Receivers and defensive backs should be able to climb all over each other down the field. Picks and the like should be allowed. The quarterback should be fair game. I think the game needs just barely enough regulation for safety and after that it should be anything goes. Motion, stunts, the whole nine. Open the rules up. No formation fouls motion fouls nothing. Make the game much more freewheeling.
 
PirateMk1 said:
To be honest a little of that brutality needs to come back. Receivers and defensive backs should be able to climb all over each other down the field. Picks and the like should be allowed. The quarterback should be fair game. I think the game needs just barely enough regulation for safety and after that it should be anything goes. Motion, stunts, the whole nine. Open the rules up. No formation fouls motion fouls nothing. Make the game much more freewheeling.
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I agree with most of your post.
The physicality on pass defense should return and the formation and motion rules could be eliminated.
I'm not so sure about the QBs being fair game.
Although, since the Niner's QBs all suck, I tend to agree that all QBs should be fair game.
More opposing teams using back-up QBs could only help us.
 
Can't have the QB's as fair game anymore. The defensive players now are too big, and too fast. A 330 lbs lineman running full speed at the QB, and then hitting a stationary, exposed and vulnerable QB? The laws of physics will not be kind to the stationary QB, no matter who he is.

By the 8th week of the season there wouldn't be a 1st string QB left playing. I don't want to turn on the 'Game of The Week' between the Pats and the Steelers and because Brady and Ben are hurt we'd see the Pats playing their 3rd string QB and the Steelers playing someone they just picked up off of the practice squad.

Not good football.
 
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