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How do we rate QBs

VanceMack said:
But what he did have was leadership and heart. That goes a long way. When you are rating a QB, its more than just the one factor.

Playing QB in HS is intense. College...unless you've played college ball, you just cant possibly know. The pro's? I couldnt even begin to imagine. So anyone that even makes it that far is awesome in my book. But to be a starter on ANY NFL team...let alone lead a team to a SuperBowl win....fuggedabowdit.
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I played football from 1st grade through college level, I know what it takes to play. Im just saying that you can have all the leadership and heart you want if your defense is giving up 30 points a game you arent gonna be getting SB rings.
 
Crovax said:
Lassic was the only evidence of someone else running in Emmitt's place. Which was a decent player btw he led Alabama to a national championship, he only had 75 carries because he tore his knee up after the 1993 season. You have yet to show anything to back up your claim that "even a mediocre RB could have put up good numbers"
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Because having an offensive line called The Great Wall of Dallas didn't mean anything when compared to what Barry Sanders had, which was nothing?

'A Football Life: The Great Wall of Dallas'- The perfect unit - NFL Videos

*shrug* I stand by it. Barry Sanders was a better running back, hands down, than Emmitt Smith.
 
I think, like most men, I'm more visual than statistical when it comes to knowing what's good and what isn't so good. I know from that list of QBs in the OP, the ones I've seen play regularly and multiple times, who and who isn't a Hall of Fame QB.

Granted, I'm biased as a Steelers fan, but other than the success of Tom Brady in New England, there's not been a more consistent, more talented, more determined and bigger gamer than Ben Roethlisberger in the QB position in the last decade and a bit he's played. A little less so now, but through his early years Big Ben was almost impossible to take down and he made something from nothing multiple times every game. Roethlisberger has also played behind what has been almost consistently a fairly weak offensive line that has given him little protection. He's played his entire career in what has been, until this year, the toughest division in football and much of the time, by the end of the season, he's got multiple injuries that would take down most QBs and he still gets out there if at all possible. Even in his last game, three weeks ago, he had a torn meniscus and came back on the field trying to will his team to a win when it was clear he just wasn't effective. And now, after surgery following that Miami game, he's back on the field practicing and the suggestion is he's going to play this weekend if cleared to play with pain.

There are very few teams in the NFL who wouldn't love to have Ben Roethlisberger as their starting QB and there are very few teams, if any, who wouldn't be better with him as their starting QB. That's easy for the eye to see just by watching the games, without any stats to get in the way. Sports is far more than nerds and their statistics and the truly great players are easily identifiable just by watching them play.

Roethlisberger will be a first ballot Hall of Fame inductee and I'll be shocked if anyone with a vote doesn't vote for him.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I think, like most men, I'm more visual than statistical when it comes to knowing what's good and what isn't so good. I know from that list of QBs in the OP, the ones I've seen play regularly and multiple times, who and who isn't a Hall of Fame QB.

Granted, I'm biased as a Steelers fan, but other than the success of Tom Brady in New England, there's not been a more consistent, more talented, more determined and bigger gamer than Ben Roethlisberger in the QB position in the last decade and a bit he's played. A little less so now, but through his early years Big Ben was almost impossible to take down and he made something from nothing multiple times every game. Roethlisberger has also played behind what has been almost consistently a fairly weak offensive line that has given him little protection. He's played his entire career in what has been, until this year, the toughest division in football and much of the time, by the end of the season, he's got multiple injuries that would take down most QBs and he still gets out there if at all possible. Even in his last game, three weeks ago, he had a torn meniscus and came back on the field trying to will his team to a win when it was clear he just wasn't effective. And now, after surgery following that Miami game, he's back on the field practicing and the suggestion is he's going to play this weekend if cleared to play with pain.

There are very few teams in the NFL who wouldn't love to have Ben Roethlisberger as their starting QB and there are very few teams, if any, who wouldn't be better with him as their starting QB. That's easy for the eye to see just by watching the games, without any stats to get in the way. Sports is far more than nerds and their statistics and the truly great players are easily identifiable just by watching them play.

Roethlisberger will be a first ballot Hall of Fame inductee and I'll be shocked if anyone with a vote doesn't vote for him.
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Big Ben will be first ballot. Only a blind man would leave him off.

Big Ben reminds me a little of Steve Grogan when it comes to toughness. But, Grogan played a little too loose with his physical well being by lowering his hemet into defenders instead of running OB. Ben is a little smarter than that.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I think, like most men, I'm more visual than statistical when it comes to knowing what's good and what isn't so good. I know from that list of QBs in the OP, the ones I've seen play regularly and multiple times, who and who isn't a Hall of Fame QB.

Granted, I'm biased as a Steelers fan, but other than the success of Tom Brady in New England, there's not been a more consistent, more talented, more determined and bigger gamer than Ben Roethlisberger in the QB position in the last decade and a bit he's played. A little less so now, but through his early years Big Ben was almost impossible to take down and he made something from nothing multiple times every game. Roethlisberger has also played behind what has been almost consistently a fairly weak offensive line that has given him little protection. He's played his entire career in what has been, until this year, the toughest division in football and much of the time, by the end of the season, he's got multiple injuries that would take down most QBs and he still gets out there if at all possible. Even in his last game, three weeks ago, he had a torn meniscus and came back on the field trying to will his team to a win when it was clear he just wasn't effective. And now, after surgery following that Miami game, he's back on the field practicing and the suggestion is he's going to play this weekend if cleared to play with pain.

There are very few teams in the NFL who wouldn't love to have Ben Roethlisberger as their starting QB and there are very few teams, if any, who wouldn't be better with him as their starting QB. That's easy for the eye to see just by watching the games, without any stats to get in the way. Sports is far more than nerds and their statistics and the truly great players are easily identifiable just by watching them play.

Roethlisberger will be a first ballot Hall of Fame inductee and I'll be shocked if anyone with a vote doesn't vote for him.
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I'm a Steelers fan myself but I can see Ben getting held up due to politics off the field and the rape charges, even though they didn't pan out.
 
Crovax said:
I played football from 1st grade through college level, I know what it takes to play. Im just saying that you can have all the leadership and heart you want if your defense is giving up 30 points a game you arent gonna be getting SB rings.
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You will if you put up 31. ;)
 
Fishking said:
I'm a Steelers fan myself but I can see Ben getting held up due to politics off the field and the rape charges, even though they didn't pan out.
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That's possible, but unlikely, since nothing Roethlisberger has done has in any way called into question the integrity of the game or the character in which he has played it and succeeded. Steroid and other drug users may be held up in that regard, or football manipulators and coaches who cheat for an advantage on the field may be held up, but there's nothing in Roethlisberger's life as an NFL QB that should cause anyone any hesitation in selecting him for the Hall of Fame on the first and only ballot necessary.
 
CanadaJohn said:
That's possible, but unlikely, since nothing Roethlisberger has done has in any way called into question the integrity of the game or the character in which he has played it and succeeded. Steroid and other drug users may be held up in that regard, or football manipulators and coaches who cheat for an advantage on the field may be held up, but there's nothing in Roethlisberger's life as an NFL QB that should cause anyone any hesitation in selecting him for the Hall of Fame on the first and only ballot necessary.
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To our thinking, yeah. However, it's not like he wasn't benched for these same things and it seems politics and image is playing an ever growing roll in sports.
 
Fishking said:
To our thinking, yeah. However, it's not like he wasn't benched for these same things and it seems politics and image is playing an ever growing roll in sports.
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True enough - I don't know who selects the Hall of Fame nominees - if it's like baseball, the self-important, pompous media/writer types may just withhold support as a way of displaying their relevance and delusional superiority. But on merit, on the field, few if any have been better and he's clearly been the Steelers best QB in the franchise's history, Bradshaw included.
 
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