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Penn State Honors JoePa

Tanngrisnir said:
Yes, there is proof.

You should really try and know what you're talking about before actually talking.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/13/s...use-penn-state-1976-court-documents.html?_r=0
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I do know what I am talking about.. and please tell me.. when did Joe Paterno get called to the stand? Oh wait.. he already died when these claims where made. So it's assumption. Then if Penn State knew of it, it means it was reported beyond Paterno because Paterno had to report it or the knowledge would have died with him.

Use logic!
 
chromium said:
yeah, "charity" work like the second mile, no doubt

how in the world can you emphasize what a "humanitarian" (as his pathetic statue claims) he was in light of all the lives he helped destroy. Kids were raped right in his locker room and team hotel!
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Do you know how many people in media and politicians covered for Sandusky at Second Mile? Attorney General Kathleen Kane was targeted by them an ousted from Office because she had the dirt on them. We are talking US Reps, Senators, Governors and State officials who looked at Second Mile as a way to get Penn State voters.
 
I knew they would do this eventually.

Yet another example of how winning means more to many then honor.


And do not waste my time trying to convince me he was innocent...it has already been established that he was not innocent in this matter.

And if you cannot see this now, then you probably never will.


To honor this man is WRONG...period.

It helps no one and it sends a message to the victims that turning a blind eye to mass molestation is acceptable at Penn State university where football is concerned.

Having went to university and lived in the midwest...this does not surprise me in the least.
 
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I read 7-8 different articles where Paterno knew about Sandusky as early as 1976.

He should have cut all ties with Sandusky back then......................shameful!
 
Jesus jumping christ on a f'n pogo stick....are there people here who think the whole Penn State/Joe Paterno/Sandusky situation was nothing more than a conspiracy to bring down a successful university football team????

It's absolutely frightening, and beyond offensive that anyone would try to defend anything or anyone was that involved in that simply because they were successful at f'n sports.

Young boys were being raped, and what was ultimately held more important was the image and success of a f__king college football team.

Anyone defending that is outrageously reprehensible.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Why? He was a football coach, he won games, his men as a rule deeply respected him and overall did very well in the NFL compared to people who came from other schools, JoePa more than almost anyone else in the country demanded that his players be scholar-athletes, plus he was very involved in helping the school where he could as well as other charity work, all of which was highly regarded before the Sandusky thing blew up.

How do you fault Paterno?
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One question. If Paterno knew YOUR CHILD was being molested and allowed it to continue would you feel the same way?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
You do realize that a lot of people dont agree with you.....

Is that allowed?
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People are allowed to be wrong and support immorality... yes.
 
Bodhisattva said:
One question. If Paterno knew YOUR CHILD was being molested and allowed it to continue would you feel the same way?
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Apparently so given the context of the time...........:(
 
The Man said:
My view is not rare at all. There are a lot of Penn Staters who revile Joe Paterno.
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Given all the have gone through Penn St over the years finding a lot who believe that the moon is made of swiss cheese should be doable.
 
JANFU said:
Cannot understand why so many support him.
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See the victim culture minders keep telling us that one bad act should destroy a lifetime of good work, but not all of us are victim culture advocates.
 
Its interesting to see the number of people that hate Paterno...and the number of those that hate him that will be rushing to the polls this November to vote for a woman that covered her rapist husbands assaults for decades and attacked his victims.
 
chromium said:
the leaked email proved that he advised the president and AD to cover up the evidence

then there is the prosecutor who was likely murdered and whose body was never found
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I have never seen this, do you have a link? Besides, this bundle was delivered up the food chain by Paterno as it should have been, it was not is call. If he did advise a cover up to protect Penn St I would say that was wrong, but I dont know that this happened.

I do know about this:

Except that Curley sent an email to Schultz and school president Graham Spanier on Feb. 27, 2001, that changed everything.

"After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday, I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps. I am having trouble with going to everyone but the person involved. I would be more comfortable meeting with the person and tell them about the information we received and tell them we are aware of the first situation," Curley's email said, according to CNN.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--joe-paterno-role-jerry-sandusky-coverup-grows.html

Which is interesting, but it does not prove anything.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
See the victim culture minders keep telling us that one bad act should destroy a lifetime of good work, but not all of us are victim culture advocates.
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1 act, many over many years.
 
The Man said:
Those wins have been restored. As much as I loathe Paterno and Sandusky, I think the wins should stand. They won the games, it's stupid to pretend they didn't. I never understood the point of taking away wins of games that a team won.
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THe trouble is when injustice was clearly done to several decades of Penn St alums as retribution for Sandusky then everything these same people said against Peterno has credibility problems. There is also this:

Attorney General Kathleen G. Kane will not seek to overturn an appellate court ruling that dismissed the most serious charges against three former Pennsylvania State University leaders accused of ignoring or covering up Jerry Sandusky's child sex abuse.

The decision, announced Friday by Kane's office, is a major victory for former Penn State president Graham B. Spanier and top aides Tim Curley and Gary Schultz in a legal battle that has languished for more than four years.

Each was accused of concealing or failing to act on Sandusky's conduct as a serial sex abuser and then lying about it to investigators. But the former administrators contended that the perjury, obstruction, and conspiracy charges against them in 2011 and 2012 were unfairly built on the testimony of Cynthia Baldwin, who was the university's top lawyer during the state investigation of Sandusky, a former assistant football coach
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Kane won't fight ruling in case against Penn State leaders - philly-archives

THere was a witch hunt, during which Paterno and others not named Sanduski were smeared all over the place, and yet so little of it sticks.
 
Rico Suave said:
It's college football and a cult of personality. If tom Osborne or spurrier were to be revealed as a monster there is a large segment of the fan bases that would still support them.
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Apparently Paterno was such a cult figure that his is to blame for what his bosses did, and what the Second Mile Charity did.

I object.
 
chromium said:
lmao don't make threads and especially don't make outlandishly untrue statements if you can't tolerate quotes
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I make it a point to seek truth, quotes are a good thing.
 
austrianecon said:
This is false. Paterno followed University policy. It was leadership at the University that covered it up.. hell in 1998 PA State Troopers and CPW covered it up.
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But JoePa was the one and only God in Happy Valley, so everything that happened is his fault....or so goes the argument.
 
chromium said:
well if they cheated...but i do think the advantage in this case is considerably less or at least less measurable than 'saint nick' and ole miss doling out cash to recruits, yet nothing is done about those

still if i were you or the paterno nuts, i would be extremely grateful to take the wins and that goddamn statue removed instead of the following that most of the outside world wanted (and still does) to see happen:

program shut down for years or forever
stadium burned to the ground
removed from the conference

events like yesterday and demanding the wins back (as you said, no one forgets the games) only increase the demands for this and is very unwise
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All because one man abused kids.

That is taking our love of Victim Culture many steps too far.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Are you alleging it was against the law to report suspected sexual abuse of a child to the police?
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No, I am saying that the rules of conduct have changed over the years. THat story about Paterno not taking the time to listen to a complaint from one of the attendees at football camp in 1976 sounds exactly what I would expect from the coach during 1976. I was in high school at the time, I had a gym teacher (who used to shower with us) he was exactly like that, always trying to toughen up his men, trying to cut down on the amount of whining. But see I lived in a conservative town that felt that American post Hippy Generation had gotten to soft, and something had to be done about it. I am not going to hold Paterno out for blame for doing what so many people did then.
 
Dragonfly said:
Jesus jumping christ on a f'n pogo stick....are there people here who think the whole Penn State/Joe Paterno/Sandusky situation was nothing more than a conspiracy to bring down a successful university football team????

It's absolutely frightening, and beyond offensive that anyone would try to defend anything or anyone was that involved in that simply because they were successful at f'n sports.

Young boys were being raped, and what was ultimately held more important was the image and success of a f__king college football team.

Anyone defending that is outrageously reprehensible.
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Such a shame to find you so closed off towards examination of the facts as well as debate.

Your intolerance is noted.
 
Bodhisattva said:
One question. If Paterno knew YOUR CHILD was being molested and allowed it to continue would you feel the same way?
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I just got this question last week in a different thread...Yes, I like to think that I am consistent in my beliefs and opinions on justice regardless of how close the victim/abuser dynamic gets to my life. In fact the victim/abuse dynamic has touched my life very very close several times. In fact my radical ideas on what to do about abuse is informed by exactly this.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
All because one man abused kids.

That is taking our love of Victim Culture many steps too far.
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And Paterno was aware of this since 76. College football is a multi billion dollar business.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I just got this question last week in a different thread...Yes, I like to think that I am consistent in my beliefs and opinions on justice regardless of how close the victim/abuser dynamic gets to my life. In fact the victim/abuse dynamic has touched my life very very close several times. In fact my radical ideas on what to do about abuse is informed by exactly this.
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Those ideas would be?
 
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