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UFC Thread

Serenity said:
Holly and McGregor both lost their titles today. Can't say I really saw that coming. Loved Miesha's speech afterwards, showed lots of respect for Holly.
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Both my fighters lost. Holly is an awesome fighter though and a true warrior, she refused to tap and went unconscious defending her title.

McGregor lost his fight all by himself; he got cocky with Diaz and Diaz made him pay big. Another 2 minutes and the ref probably would have stopped it due to diaz's cut.
 
The girls were great. I've always loved the respect and humbleness they have for their opponents.

That of course would not apply to Ronda Rousey. In my opinion, she is one of the most disrespectful and arrogant fighters in the UFC. In spite of her one loss, she probably still is the best female fighter in the UFC. I saw a couple of her interviews where she eluded to how many fights she had in the last year, and the fact that she sustained that nasty cut in her mouth in the first round. Clearly making excuses for her loss. In another interview, I watched her bragging and joking how she beat up a couple of guys in a theater. They probably deserved it, but it just reinforced my dislike for her. I think she will continue to be an arrogant bully and must confess that I really enjoyed the beat down she took.

Most of the men do respect their opponents in the UFC. I think Conor Mcgregor falls into the same category as Rousey, but not as bad as her. I was pleased that someone finally beat him. Having said that, he was absolutely the most humble, respectful, and well spoken guy in the post fight interview. It will be interesting to see if a lot of the bravado is toned down in the future. Diaz looked and sounded like the loser during the post fight interview.
 
Serenity said:
Holly and McGregor both lost their titles today. Can't say I really saw that coming. Loved Miesha's speech afterwards, showed lots of respect for Holly.
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McGregor actually didn't lose his title. He was fighting up in weight , not featherweight.

He's the champ at Featherweight (145 lb max)
He was set to fight at lightweight (155 lb max)
The match Saturday was at welterweight (170 lb max)

Hopefully it's a good realization for McGregor that he needs to stick to his weight class. He's got elite power and very good reach at 145 that makes him a game changer, but it's not quite the same when moving up in class.
 
Tonawanda said:
Most of the men do respect their opponents in the UFC. I think Conor Mcgregor falls into the same category as Rousey, but not as bad as her. I was pleased that someone finally beat him. Having said that, he was absolutely the most humble, respectful, and well spoken guy in the post fight interview. It will be interesting to see if a lot of the bravado is toned down in the future. Diaz looked and sounded like the loser during the post fight interview.
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I would be shocked if he tones it down. And I wasn't really surprised post match, because I believe that's somewhat normal for McGregor. Outside the ring the guy is a businessman, inside he seems to have a more traditional martial artist mentality to a certain degree.

He realizes all the **** talking, all the attitude, all the bravado sells pay-per-views. I also think Diaz hit on something with a quote he said when asked about McGregor making predictions. He said he didn't care and he didn't think McGregor honestly believes his predictions; he thinks the guy McGregor's FIGHTING believes in them. McGregor's antics are generally two fold; sell PPVs and get in the opponents head. Get them making the fight personal, get them fighting angry, get them more concerned with trying to punch him in the face than actually going into a game plan.

With a Diaz brother, the selling of PPV's part would absolutely work. In terms of getting in their head? No, because they play the same game and have been doing it for years.
 
Tonawanda said:
The girls were great. I've always loved the respect and humbleness they have for their opponents.

That of course would not apply to Ronda Rousey. In my opinion, she is one of the most disrespectful and arrogant fighters in the UFC. In spite of her one loss, she probably still is the best female fighter in the UFC. I saw a couple of her interviews where she eluded to how many fights she had in the last year, and the fact that she sustained that nasty cut in her mouth in the first round. Clearly making excuses for her loss. In another interview, I watched her bragging and joking how she beat up a couple of guys in a theater. They probably deserved it, but it just reinforced my dislike for her. I think she will continue to be an arrogant bully and must confess that I really enjoyed the beat down she took.

Most of the men do respect their opponents in the UFC. I think Conor Mcgregor falls into the same category as Rousey, but not as bad as her. I was pleased that someone finally beat him. Having said that, he was absolutely the most humble, respectful, and well spoken guy in the post fight interview. It will be interesting to see if a lot of the bravado is toned down in the future. Diaz looked and sounded like the loser during the post fight interview.
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The UFC owners love McGregor because he's brought a lot of attention back to the UFC.
He's a star because of his brash personality mixed with fighting skills.
So a lot of what he says is really just an act to drum up interest.
Tito Ortiz was the same way in his day, a loud sh*t talker who was actually a pretty decent guy outside the ring. Tito was the McGregor of his day.

Rousey I think actually is mean spirited with the stuff she says. And its less of an act with her.

I thought Connors post fight interview showed him to be a good guy and really not the image he likes to put out to hype fights.
 
truthatallcost said:
McGregor lost his fight all by himself; he got cocky with Diaz and Diaz made him pay big. Another 2 minutes and the ref probably would have stopped it due to diaz's cut.
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Yes, he was cocky as usual, but won big on the revenue end.

Zyphlin said:
I would be shocked if he tones it down. And I wasn't really surprised post match, because I believe that's somewhat normal for McGregor. Outside the ring the guy is a businessman, inside he seems to have a more traditional martial artist mentality to a certain degree.

He realizes all the **** talking, all the attitude, all the bravado sells pay-per-views. I also think Diaz hit on something with a quote he said when asked about McGregor making predictions. He said he didn't care and he didn't think McGregor honestly believes his predictions; he thinks the guy McGregor's FIGHTING believes in them. McGregor's antics are generally two fold; sell PPVs and get in the opponents head. Get them making the fight personal, get them fighting angry, get them more concerned with trying to punch him in the face than actually going into a game plan
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Yes, I think you are right. He's a lot smarter than I thought. Having said that, I'm not convinced that the cockiness and bravado won't be calmed down some. We will see.

truthatallcost said:
The UFC owners love McGregor because he's brought a lot of attention back to the UFC.
He's a star because of his brash personality mixed with fighting skills.
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You are on right on the money there.

UFC 196 salaries: Conor McGregor earns UFC's first million-dollar purse in defeat - MMA Fighting
 
Zyphlin said:
McGregor actually didn't lose his title. He was fighting up in weight , not featherweight.

He's the champ at Featherweight (145 lb max)
He was set to fight at lightweight (155 lb max)
The match Saturday was at welterweight (170 lb max)

Hopefully it's a good realization for McGregor that he needs to stick to his weight class. He's got elite power and very good reach at 145 that makes him a game changer, but it's not quite the same when moving up in class.
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That changes my perception of the fight completely. He takes the fight late, and fights 25 lbs (or even 15 lbs) above his weight class, and actually more than holds his own in the fight.

But, then he pocket's 1 million plus for his trouble. Explains a lot.
 
Tonawanda said:
That changes my perception of the fight completely. He takes the fight late, and fights 25 lbs (or even 15 lbs) above his weight class, and actually more than holds his own in the fight.

But, then he pocket's 1 million plus for his trouble. Explains a lot.
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I wont be surprised if McGregor doesnt lay down a challend to Diaz for a rematch and stipulates the weight class be 155. He is the cash machine. Diaz doesnt have much to bargain with.

The Womens title is definitely interesting but will struggle without a dominant champ. Whether you like Rousey or not...she is the reason the women get the attention they get today.
 
VanceMack said:
I wont be surprised if McGregor doesnt lay down a challend to Diaz for a rematch and stipulates the weight class be 155. He is the cash machine. Diaz doesnt have much to bargain with.
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Maybe, he didn't seem inclined to do so at the press release, but things could change depending what the UFC puts on the table. I'm sure he would love to avenge that loss.

VanceMack said:
The Womens title is definitely interesting but will struggle without a dominant champ.
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Maybe they will go back to real old days, and come up with a tournament involving the top 3. It could be interesting.

VanceMack said:
Whether you like Rousey or not...she is the reason the women get the attention they get today.
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No argument there
 
Zyphlin said:
McGregor actually didn't lose his title. He was fighting up in weight , not featherweight.

He's the champ at Featherweight (145 lb max)
He was set to fight at lightweight (155 lb max)
The match Saturday was at welterweight (170 lb max)

Hopefully it's a good realization for McGregor that he needs to stick to his weight class. He's got elite power and very good reach at 145 that makes him a game changer, but it's not quite the same when moving up in class.
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Some idiot fight reporter/columists who was all butthurt over mcgregor losing said that mcgregor finally made a name for the Irish in fight sports.....


he was serious.... I have to find it....
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Randy couture did more damage to the UFC in losing fans than all the others combined..... pin them to the cage and throw weak punches to win rounds... so boring.
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I disagree on two points:

1) Randy's way of bringing a man down so as to pinning the opponent was nearly always different. So, the man seemed to have millions ways to bring a man down and that was an awe inspiring sight.

2) Randy's low punches while the opponent was down is something the majority can identify with. Hence he was not boring but could invite people to try to learn ways to bring the man down first, cause after that even small punches such as that wins a man trophies.
 
DDD said:
I disagree on two points:

1) Randy's way of bringing a man down so as to pinning the opponent was nearly always different. So, the man seemed to have millions ways to bring a man down and that was an awe inspiring sight.

2) Randy's low punches while the opponent was down is something the majority can identify with. Hence he was not boring but could invite people to try to learn ways to bring the man down first, cause after that even small punches such as that wins a man trophies.
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Nonsense, his "Strategy" was "dirty boxing" get up on points pin the guy against the cage and take body shots until the clock ran out.



It worked for him, but it was a bane on the sport.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Nonsense, his "Strategy" was "dirty boxing" get up on points pin the guy against the cage and take body shots until the clock ran out.

It worked for him, but it was a bane on the sport.
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He was a wrestler and knew how to bring his opponent down in hundreds of ways. Each time they fell they had a tough time going up due to the punches, until giving up, being knocked out, or points.
 
DDD said:
He was a wrestler and knew how to bring his opponent down in hundreds of ways. Each time they fell they had a tough time going up due to the punches, until giving up, being knocked out, or points.
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D00d was wall N' stall


take down and stall


stall stall stall...

clinch clinch clinch

lay and pray...



his only two non "tko", ko's were to liddel.

Most of his fights went to decisions.


 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
D00d was wall N' stall

take down and stall

stall stall stall...

clinch clinch clinch

lay and pray...

his only two non "tko", ko's were to liddel.

Most of his fights went to decisions.

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That is how he mastered the ring alright. None like him since.
 
DDD said:
That is how he mastered the ring alright. None like him since.
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The only fighter I can say was as good as Couture was in his prime was probably Anderson Silva.
 
Kobie said:
The only fighter I can say was as good as Couture was in his prime was probably Anderson Silva.
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I agree,

But their fighting styles differed significantly. Silva was more of a avoid punches and kicks, and counterattack resulting in KO. Silva was sort of weak against wrestling holds such as when Chonan leg locked him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYN6U_85YCI

Couture was strong in wrestling. It would have been interesting to see them fight since Outure is bigger than Silva and does not starts out with punches or kicks for Silva to counterattack, yet Silva is faster than Couture and may surprise knock Couture.
 
DDD said:
I agree,

But their fighting styles differed significantly. Silva was more of a avoid punches and kicks, and counterattack resulting in KO. Silva was sort of weak against wrestling holds such as when Chonan leg locked him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYN6U_85YCI

Couture was strong in wrestling. It would have been interesting to see them fight since Outure is bigger than Silva and does not starts out with punches or kicks for Silva to counterattack, yet Silva is faster than Couture and may surprise knock Couture.
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Oh yes, they were totally different fighters, but the only two I saw with that level of dominance against that caliber of competition.
 
DDD said:
That is how he mastered the ring alright. None like him since.
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It was no technique, it sucks, and it's why they break them up now.


He was good, had a strategy, but not one of the greats.
 
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DDD said:
What do you mean?

Who "breaks" who and what do you mean "breaks?"
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You can't wall and stall in the ufc like that anymore you have to be trying to improve your position or score.


Rule 9c (specifically)

C. Stalling/Restarts

If the referee sees that the action has stalled either standing or on the ground and neither competitor is working aggressively to gain an advantage the referee shall warn the competitors to accelerate the action or face a restart in thirty (30), seconds. If after the warning the action remains stalled, the referee shall stop action and separate the competitors to their respective corners. The referee, after he has repositioned the competitors, will ask each fighter if they are ready. When he receives two affirmative replies, he will restart the action with a verbal and hand gesture.



I disagree.
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That's your prerogative, I think his strategy of dry humping d00ds against the cage for the whole round is boring, no skill, and wouldn't work in todays UFC.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
You can't wall and stall in the ufc like that anymore you have to be trying to improve your position or score.

Rule 9c (specifically)

C. Stalling/Restarts

If the referee sees that the action has stalled either standing or on the ground and neither competitor is working aggressively to gain an advantage the referee shall warn the competitors to accelerate the action or face a restart in thirty (30), seconds. If after the warning the action remains stalled, the referee shall stop action and separate the competitors to their respective corners. The referee, after he has repositioned the competitors, will ask each fighter if they are ready. When he receives two affirmative replies, he will restart the action with a verbal and hand gesture.


That's your prerogative, I think his strategy of dry humping d00ds against the cage for the whole round is boring, no skill, and wouldn't work in todays UFC.
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Apparently not,

Still, the technique was effective.
 
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