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Manziel Saga...Death Watch?

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It may be time for Johnny Football to get his own thread. This looks to be spiraling, in the wrong direction. I hope this is just a father relaying his worst fears, and not something eminent.

Johnny Manziel's dad says quarterback has refused to enter rehab, needs help

If Johnny Manziel doesn't receive help, he won't make it to his next birthday, his father told The Dallas Morning News on Friday.

Manziel's father, Paul, told the newspaper that the Cleveland Browns quarterback has refused to enter area rehab facilities twice in the past week. He said the family tried to get Manziel, 23, to enter a local addiction facility on Saturday, but Manziel refused to stay. Paul Manziel said he tried to have his son admitted to a psychiatric and chemical dependency hospital on Tuesday, but Manziel was allowed to leave, despite his father telling officers that he believed Manziel was suicidal.
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It was reported here this morning that Michael Irvin has reached out to Johnny Highball to offer his some football and fatherly advice. Could be the opening approach orchestrated by Jerry Jones and the Cowboys.

Manziel isn't Ryan Leaf yet, but getting pretty close.
 
CanadaJohn said:
It was reported here this morning that Michael Irvin has reached out to Johnny Highball to offer his some football and fatherly advice. Could be the opening approach orchestrated by Jerry Jones and the Cowboys.

Manziel isn't Ryan Leaf yet, but getting pretty close.
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Dear Jerry Jones,

Please take Johnny Football.

Sincerely,

PoS

ps. and please have the Cowboys volunteer for Hard Knocks, thanks.
 
Hope he can turn things around but even if he kicks addiction he will still be an awful person. Tigers don't change their stripes.

Also I think his dad was his biggest enabler....
 
I'm just glad my Texans ignored all the cries for Johnny Football by fans, even billboards put up by erstwhile fans. Here's hoping he straightens his life out before he enters the grave. To throw away such talent and promise... we'll pray for him.
 
Soho gator said:
Hope he can turn things around but even if he kicks addiction he will still be an awful person. Tigers don't change their stripes.

Also I think his dad was his biggest enabler....
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Hard to believe he is this out of control so quickly. I guess, the writing was on the wall, but still...just damn.
 
And as I posted in the other thread. Manziel's own agent dumped him. I'm being a little flippant about this, but not a lot. Because when money is involved, seldom, if ever does an agent dump a client. So there maybe something seriously wrong here when an agent dumps a high profile client.

Manziel wasn't a good QB, at all. But you figure he'd get another chance. Or at least endorsements. (Johnny Walker, just kidding). But anyway there was probably money in his future. And the agent dumps him anyway? Sounds serious.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
And as I posted in the other thread. Manziel's own agent dumped him. I'm being a little flippant about this, but not a lot. Because when money is involved, seldom, if ever does an agent dump a client. So there maybe something seriously wrong here when an agent dumps a high profile client.

Manziel wasn't a good QB, at all. But you figure he'd get another chance. Or at least endorsements. (Johnny Walker, just kidding). But anyway there was probably money in his future. And the agent dumps him anyway? Sounds serious.
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His parents are pretty wealthy. If he kicks his addiction he'll be OK but he is a lot like that affluenza kid
 
Soho gator said:
Also I think his dad was his biggest enabler....
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And Texas A&M too. They let him run wild.

Other kids at other schools too. These kids are never told no. They're treated like heroes and gladiators. Some can handle it, some can't. IMO it's no shock Manziel was 1 of the ones who can't handle it. Sounds like he had serious problems even in college.

Which brings me to another big gripe of mine:

These NFL teams spend MILLIONS on scouting, drafting, investigations, tests, interviews, etc. And the Browns(and other teams too with other players), didn't see this coming with this kid? They drafted him in the 1st round? How can they be so inept?
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
And Texas A&M too. They let him run wild.

Other kids at other schools too. These kids are never told no. They're treated like heroes and gladiators. Some can handle it, some can't. IMO it's no shock Manziel was 1 of the ones who can't handle it. Sounds like he had serious problems even in college.

Which brings me to another big gripe of mine:

These NFL teams spend MILLIONS on scouting, drafting, investigations, tests, interviews, etc. And the Browns(and other teams too with other players), didn't see this coming with this kid? They drafted him in the 1st round? How can they be so inept?
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Umm it IS the browns :) They also drafted Brady Quinn
 
Soho gator said:
His parents are pretty wealthy. If he kicks his addiction he'll be OK but he is a lot like that affluenza kid
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Yes, I agree. Again as I posted in the other thread. His family has money, so he can get help, and walk away from football, and start another career. OR he will take that money and drink himself to death. It's his choice.
 
It's hard to feel sorry for the lad, he had the world at his feet and he decided to throw it all away. Hopefully he see's some help and move son with his life but he doesn't then I wont shed a tear for him.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
And Texas A&M too. They let him run wild.

Other kids at other schools too. These kids are never told no. They're treated like heroes and gladiators. Some can handle it, some can't. IMO it's no shock Manziel was 1 of the ones who can't handle it. Sounds like he had serious problems even in college.

Which brings me to another big gripe of mine:

These NFL teams spend MILLIONS on scouting, drafting, investigations, tests, interviews, etc. And the Browns(and other teams too with other players), didn't see this coming with this kid? They drafted him in the 1st round? How can they be so inept?
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Johnny Manziel talks a good game. And it's difficult to believe that anybody could really be this stupid. Boy don't learn.

A&M didn't let him run wild. There was the memorabilia issue, and then the drunken tweets (this alone proving that Manziel doesn't learn--the first time, he was just a 19-year old kid who didn't know better, but the second time months later...that tore it for me. What a whiney baby!). But other than that, what did he do while nominally being in college that was "running wild"?
 
nota bene said:
Johnny Manziel talks a good game. And it's difficult to believe that anybody could really be this stupid. Boy don't learn.

A&M didn't let him run wild. There was the memorabilia issue, and then the drunken tweets (this alone proving that Manziel doesn't learn--the first time, he was just a 19-year old kid who didn't know better, but the second time months later...that tore it for me. What a whiney baby!). But other than that, what did he do while nominally being in college that was "running wild"?
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I wasn't there. I'm just going by what I've read and heard on TV. He had problems and issues at A&M, but the college looked the other way. That's not earth shattering news, colleges do that all the time for athletes. But like I said earlier, some can handle it, some can't. But with the b'zillion $'s these NFL teams spend on drafting, scouting, etc., IMO, the Browns should have seen and found those red flags. But they either didn't find them, or didn't care.

But as was pointed out earlier by Soho. It's the Browns.

It's a fine line. You get a poor kid from the inner city, give him money and fame. And sometimes they can't handle it. They go wild with the money and the life style. So in 2 years he washes out.

In Manziel's case you got a rich frat boy. Maybe he doesn't have the drive, or care to make it in the NFL because he don't need the money. So he washes out.

IDK the answers. But I'm not spending $ millions to figure it out, the Browns, and other teams do. In this case the browns really F'ed up.
 
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SenorXm/Sirius said:
I wasn't there. I'm just going by what I've read and heard on TV. He had problems and issues at A&M, but the college looked the other way.
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What I'm saying is that the university did not "look the other way." Not at all.

I was keeping up back then and reading Brent Zwerneman and TexAgs.com. Manziel was redshirted for a year, and then during the summer before first playing, he was arrested for fighting at Northgate (which is euphemistically called a "nightclub district"). Besides the memorabilia thing, for which he was suspended for a half-game, and the drunken tweets, I'm not aware of any problems or issues Manziel presented that weren't handled correctly by the university or its athletic department.

QB Manziel arrested in Northgate bar district - Sports Update
 
nota bene said:
What I'm saying is that the university did not "look the other way." Not at all.

I was keeping up back then and reading Brent Zwerneman and TexAgs.com. Manziel was redshirted for a year, and then during the summer before first playing, he was arrested for fighting at Northgate (which is euphemistically called a "nightclub district"). Besides the memorabilia thing, for which he was suspended for a half-game, and the drunken tweets, I'm not aware of any problems or issues Manziel presented that weren't handled correctly by the university or its athletic department.

QB Manziel arrested in Northgate bar district - Sports Update
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Texas A&M has the usual 'problems' other Universities have had with their programs and athletes.

Come on. Don't put them on some sort of pedestal. Especially in Texas. It's a religion down there.
 
CanadaJohn said:
It was reported here this morning that Michael Irvin has reached out to Johnny Highball to offer his some football and fatherly advice. Could be the opening approach orchestrated by Jerry Jones and the Cowboys.

Manziel isn't Ryan Leaf yet, but getting pretty close.
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Hey CJ! I just heard Deion Sanders on First Take say that if anyone can save him, Jerry Jones can, so you may be on to something. :shrug:
 
Yeah, it's getting serious now. Could be why his agent dumped him. Cops investigating again. Dad says Manziel may not make his next birthday. Ex-girlfriend get a protection order against him. Family says he went into, then left re-hab twice in the past week. I don't think even Jerry Jones is dumb enough to take a chance on Manziel. Not until he FOR SURE gets sober and cleaned-up.

But even then, he' not a good QB. If he's straight, and cheap I guess I can see a team taking a chance on him. But only if he's cheap. There's very little upside with him.


Police investigate domestic violence claim against Johnny Manziel

9:28 PM ET
ESPN.com news services

Dallas police announced Friday night they are launching a criminal investigation into a domestic violence assault complaint filed against Cleveland Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel.

The move comes a day after police said they had closed an investigation into allegations that Manziel had hit his ex-girlfriend in an incident last Saturday that started at a downtown Dallas hotel, and that he would not face charges.

Johnny Manziel's father says his son has refused to enter rehab facilities twice in the past week and that he is concerned the QB "won't live to see his 24th birthday."


Police said in a release that they received an assault complaint Friday for a Jan. 30 incident, and Manziel was listed as the suspect.

It is unclear if the complaint is over the same Jan. 30 incident detailed in the police report released Thursday. But the release from Dallas police Friday night said it was not uncommon for the victim of domestic violence "to question or delay reporting an assault."

"This is an ongoing investigation and updates will be made as information becomes available," the release stated.

The new investigation comes on a day when Manziel was dropped by his agent, Erik Burkhardt, and his father, Paul Manziel, told The Dallas Morning News that if Manziel didn't get help, he feared his son wouldn't make it to his 24th birthday in December.

Paul Manziel also told the newspaper that his family had tried to get Johnny Manziel into rehab twice in the past week, but he had left twice.

Also Friday, Manziel's ex-girlfriend reportedly got a protection order against him in which he must stay at least 500 feet from her home and place of work for two years.

In the incident last Saturday, Manziel allegedly struck his ex-girlfriend several times at the Hotel ZaZa in downtown Dallas, according to a Fort Worth police report released Thursday.

According to the report, parts of which were redacted, Manziel and his ex-girlfriend left the hotel after he struck her. Manziel drove them to his ex-girlfriend's apartment in Fort Worth. The ex-girlfriend told officers she and Manziel shouted angrily at each other, going back and forth, during the drive, and that he struck her several more times.

ABC affiliate WFAA in Dallas reported that Manziel told the woman to "shut up or I'll kill us both" after he forced her into the car.

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Dallas police open criminal investigation into Johnny Manziel of Cleveland Browns
 
Soho gator said:
Hope he can turn things around but even if he kicks addiction he will still be an awful person. Tigers don't change their stripes.

Also I think his dad was his biggest enabler....
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I'm hoping by "awful person" you're referring to beating women or something and not his struggle with addiction.
 
Absentglare said:
I'm hoping by "awful person" you're referring to beating women or something and not his struggle with addiction.
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Of course that and a few other things that an acquaintance of mine knows about him. He's a sociopath. Addiction is not a reason to condemn a person.
 
Soho gator said:
Of course that and a few other things that an acquaintance of mine knows about him. He's a sociopath. Addiction is not a reason to condemn a person.
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Neither is sociopathy that is often caused by childhood trauma and physical/emotional abuse.
 
Henrin said:
Neither is sociopathy that is often caused by childhood trauma and physical/emotional abuse.
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We don't know that happened and most people who grow up in such circumstances don't become sociopaths.
 
Soho gator said:
We don't know that happened and most people who grow up in such circumstances don't become sociopaths.
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I was in no way supporting your claim that he is a sociopath or suggesting he was abused in any way. I was merely saying that just because someone is sociopath is no reason to condemn them.
 
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