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PoS said:
Your idol Aaron Rogers hasnt been exactly been great these past few years, pal. He's a shadow of his former self, maybe the Fudgies ought to get Johnny F instead.
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My idol? I'm a Steelers fan. I just admire Rodgers talent. He owns your Bears, so I can see why you don't like him. But I guarantee if he was on the Bears you'd be singing a different tune.

BTW he threw for 4 TD's yesterday.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
My idol? I'm a Steelers fan. I just admire Rodgers talent. He owns your Bears, so I can see why you don't like him. But I guarantee if he was on the Bears you'd be singing a different tune.

BTW he threw for 4 TD's yesterday.
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Owns the Bears? Thats not what happened last season...

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For all his brilliance he has one ring, compare that with Eli, Big Ben, Peyton Pizza or even Tom the cheater...
 
PoS said:
Owns the Bears? Thats not what happened last season...

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For all his brilliance he has one ring, compare that with Eli, Big Ben, Peyton Pizza or even Tom the cheater...
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IMO, AR is the most overrated of all the big league QB's except maybe Phillip Rivers.
 
PoS said:
Owns the Bears? Thats not what happened last season...

For all his brilliance he has one ring, compare that with Eli, Big Ben, Peyton Pizza or even Tom the cheater...
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wow, the bears won once huh? ;)

HE has 1 ring? HE? It is a team sport. Eli especially has had a lot of help from his D. The Packers remind me a little of the Steelers. Over the last few years the Steelers D has stunk, and BTW over those last few years the Steelers haven't been to the SB. Same with GB, you mention the Packers and everyone thinks 'good defense'. But the fact is like the Steelers GB's D hasn't been good in quite awhile. Twice the Pack lost playoff games in OT and Rodgers and the GB didn't even get on the field in OT. 1st possession the other team waltzed down the field against the Pack D and scored, game over.

Again the QB position is by far the more important position in the NFL. But a team still needs some D. GB hasn't had a good D in quite awhile.

He's damn good.
 
BTW Drew Brees is another great QB who's only got 1 ring because the team he plays on hasn't had a good defense in like, forever.

That defense put on by the Saints last night was about as bad as a pro football defense could ever be. My God, they were awful.
 
So you wanna date Aaron and Drew, we get it.
 
PoS said:
So you wanna date Aaron and Drew, we get it.
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Yeah, that's it. I wanna date with Aaron Rodgers brother on Bachelorette too.

I realize your Bears are 0-3 this year and more than bad. But you're not going to be pissy all this season? Are you?
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Yeah, that's it. I wanna date with Aaron Rodgers brother on Bachelorette too.

I realize your Bears are 0-3 this year and more than bad. But you're not going to be pissy all this season? Are you?
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The only thing more nauseating than the presidential election is your constant fawning over AR, a totally overrated QB with one ring. :nahnah:
 
PoS said:
The only thing more nauseating than the presidential election is your constant fawning over AR, a totally overrated QB with one ring. :nahnah:
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I think I've mentioned him twice this year. and this was definitely the 1st time I mentioned Brees. But you got me dating and fawning over them. lol

So you are going to be pissy.

Can't really blame you. Bears 0-3, and another lost year for them.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
I think I've mentioned him twice this year. and this was definitely the 1st time I mentioned Brees. But you got me dating and fawning over them. lol

So you are going to be pissy.

Can't really blame you. Bears 0-3, and another lost year for them.
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Saying AR would have won more rings if he had a defense is as silly as saying the Browns would have won ten rings if they had a QB. Its clear youre not really a Steelers fan but a fan of the Fudgies. The truth comes out.
 
PoS said:
Saying AR would have won more rings if he had a defense is as silly as saying the Browns would have won ten rings if they had a QB.
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Or saying if the Bears had ANYONE besides awful Cutler as QB they would have won.. Something? Anything?

Anyway it's a team sport. Dan Marino was 1 of the greatest QB ever. He has zero rings. If you can't, or don't want to understand that it's a team sport then you are not a football fan, period.

Have a nice day.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Or saying if the Bears had ANYONE besides awful Cutler as QB they would have won.. Something? Anything?

Anyway it's a team sport. Dan Marino was 1 of the greatest QB ever. He has zero rings. If you can't, or don't want to understand that it's a team sport then you are not a football fan, period.

Have a nice day.
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LOL Dan Marino? The greatest? I dont think so.

A QB is judged by how many rings he wears, to me the greatest is probably Joe Montana.
 
PoS said:
LOL Dan Marino? The greatest? I dont think so.

A QB is judged by how many rings he wears, to me the greatest is probably Joe Montana.
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Gotta disagree with you there buddy.

I dunno if Marino is the greatest or not.

But I don't think you judge QB's by how many Super Bowl rings they have.

So Trent Dilfer - by virtue of winning one Super Bowl - was a better QB then Dan Marino, Tony Romo, Fran Tarkenton, Jim Kelly, Warren Moon, Philip Rivers...et al?

Sorry - not buying that one.

Of all the major American sports (Football, baseball, basketball and hockey), football is by the far the most team oriented (i.e. - one player cannot dominate). QB's are usually not even on the field for 1/2 of the plays and thusly to hold it against them because the defense and specialty teams suck is not right, imo.
Plus, no quarterback can thrive without at least a decent offensive line.
 
DA60 said:
Gotta disagree with you there buddy.

I dunno if Marino is the greatest or not.

But I don't think you judge QB's by how many Super Bowl rings they have.

So Trent Dilfer - by virtue of winning one Super Bowl - was a better QB then Dan Marino, Tony Romo, Fran Tarkenton, Jim Kelly, Warren Moon, Philip Rivers...et al?

Sorry - not buying that one.

Of all the major American sports (Football, baseball, basketball and hockey), football is by the far the most team oriented (i.e. - one player cannot dominate). QB's are usually not even on the field for 1/2 of the plays and thusly to hold it against them because the defense and specialty teams suck is not right, imo.
Plus, no quarterback can thrive without at least a decent offensive line.
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Probably need a separate category, Best QB without a ring, to be fair on this. A Superbowl ring can come from luck, two rings maybe can as well--ask Eli. But, in fairness, when Joe M and Tom B win 4, it's hard to say Marino, who won none, compares.
 
calamity said:
Probably need a separate category, Best QB without a ring, to be fair on this. A Superbowl ring can come from luck, two rings maybe can as well--ask Eli. But, in fairness, when Joe M and Tom B win 4, it's hard to say Marino, who won none, compares.
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I am not comparing any two QB's in particular.

What I am saying is QB's should not be judged primarily or even largely on whether they have Super Bowl rings.

How can you judge a player when they are on the field for less then 1/2 of the time and require a solid offensive line to thrive? I can't.

I say if you stuck Montana or Brady with a team with a lousy 'd' AND a lousy 'O' line for their entire careers - they would not have nearly the stats they had/have.

A QB cannot win a Super Bowl alone.

In hockey, a red hot goalie can shut down the other team. In baseball, a shut down pitcher can dominate a game (heck, in the national league, he can win a game almost single-handedly - in theory). ANd in basketball, a truly amazing player can dominate the game (like Wilt Chamberlain getting 100 points in one game - yes, it was a LONG time ago).
But a QB can throw for 500 yards and no int's and still lose the game.
 
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DA60 said:
Gotta disagree with you there buddy.

I dunno if Marino is the greatest or not.

But I don't think you judge QB's by how many Super Bowl rings they have.

So Trent Dilfer - by virtue of winning one Super Bowl - was a better QB then Dan Marino, Tony Romo, Fran Tarkenton, Jim Kelly, Warren Moon, Philip Rivers...et al?

Sorry - not buying that one.

Of all the major American sports (Football, baseball, basketball and hockey), football is by the far the most team oriented (i.e. - one player cannot dominate). QB's are usually not even on the field for 1/2 of the plays and thusly to hold it against them because the defense and specialty teams suck is not right, imo.
Plus, no quarterback can thrive without at least a decent offensive line.
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So how do you judge a QB then? Passing yards? QB rating? Trent Dilfer wasnt a great QB and he had the second best defense ever in a superbowl team, but the offense still had to score to get them there.
 
PoS said:
So how do you judge a QB then? Passing yards? QB rating? Trent Dilfer wasnt a great QB and he had the second best defense ever in a superbowl team, but the offense still had to score to get them there.
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I actually - sort of - gave up judging who is a better QB as it is too complicated, imo.

But if I had to, I use QB rating.

I, personally, think Tony Romo and Philip Rivers are underrated QB's. They have played for teams that varied wildly in quality...but have almost always put up great QB rating numbers. A big Dallas discussion is 'Is Romo as good as Troy Aikman (who had a FAR lower QB rating but won lots of Super Bowl rings - though QB ratings were generally lower back then as teams ran more - BUT, he played for some of the most talented teams in NFL history, imo).
I don't know.
Personally, having seen both play throughout their careers - I would give the not to Romo (but not by much). I believe even Aikman feels that way - at least publicly.

But I have no way to prove it definitively. And I definitely could be wrong.

Such is sports.


BTW - I don't even like Dan Marino. He comes across as kind of a jerk (again, I could be wrong).
 
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PoS said:
LOL Dan Marino? The greatest? I dont think so.

A QB is judged by how many rings he wears, to me the greatest is probably Joe Montana.
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The Bears are really getting to you huh?

With Marino i said ONE of the greatest. Not the greatest.
 
DA60 said:
I actually - sort of - gave up judging who is a better QB as it is too complicated, imo.

But if I had to, I use QB rating.

I, personally, think Tony Romo and Philip Rivers are underrated QB's. They have played for teams that varied wildly in quality...but have almost always put up great QB rating numbers. A big Dallas discussion is 'Is Romo as good as Troy Aikman (who had a FAR lower QB rating but won lots of Super Bowl rings - though QB ratings were generally lower back then as teams ran more - BUT, he played for some of the most talented teams in NFL history, imo).
I don't know.
Personally, having seen both play throughout their careers - I would give the not to Romo (but not by much). I believe even Aikman feels that way - at least publicly.

But I have no way to prove it definitively. And I definitely could be wrong.

Such is sports.


BTW - I don't even like Dan Marino. He comes across as kind of a jerk (again, I could be wrong).
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Yeah, I'm a Steelers fan, have been since the early 70's. And I LOVE Terry Bradshaw, but I will admit he's not even in the top 20 of greatest QB's of all time. He got a lot of help from the Steel Curtain and receivers like Swann and Stallworth.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Or saying if the Bears had ANYONE besides awful Cutler as QB they would have won.. Something? Anything?

Anyway it's a team sport. Dan Marino was 1 of the greatest QB ever. He has zero rings. If you can't, or don't want to understand that it's a team sport then you are not a football fan, period.

Have a nice day.
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Dan Marino fits in that special category of "Best player to never win a championship". Thats a different discussion but its pretty broadly understood that to breathe that rare air...you have to have at least one ring. Marino couldnt win the big one in 16 years despite being in the playoffs 10 years.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Yeah, I'm a Steelers fan, have been since the early 70's. And I LOVE Terry Bradshaw, but I will admit he's not even in the top 20 of greatest QB's of all time. He got a lot of help from the Steel Curtain and receivers like Swann and Stallworth.
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Agree completely.

That 70's Steelers team(s) maybe the best ever.

They sure killed my Cowboys enough times.
 
VanceMack said:
Dan Marino fits in that special category of "Best player to never win a championship". Thats a different discussion but its pretty broadly understood that to breathe that rare air...you have to have at least one ring. Marino couldnt win the big one in 16 years despite being in the playoffs 10 years.
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I kind of agree. But to me the rings aren't everything. Before Peyton won his 2nd ring last year, which BTW he had very little to do with them winning, many put Eli a head of Peyton because Eli has 2 rings. But if you watched those 2 years the Giants won eli didn't have a lot to do with them winning either, especially the 1st SB.

Many say Ted Williams was the greatest hitter in 100+ years history of baseball. He was in 1 WS, and the Sox lost. Does that not make him the best hitter ever? Nolan Ryan has the most strikeouts in the history of baseball. AND he has 7 no-hitters. But he's only got 1 ring, when he was a relief pitcher in 1969 with the NY Mets. He had almost nothing to do with winning the WS that year. Does that diminish him being 1 of the greats? I don't thin so.

IMO a player in a TEAM SPORT can still be 1 of the greats, even without a ring. In team sports there's just too many other factors involved.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
I kind of agree. But to me the rings aren't everything. Before Peyton won his 2nd ring last year, which BTW he had very little to do with them winning, many put Eli a head of Peyton because Eli has 2 rings. But if you watched those 2 years the Giants won eli didn't have a lot to do with them winning either, especially the 1st SB.

Many say Ted Williams was the greatest hitter in 100+ years history of baseball. He was in 1 WS, and the Sox lost. Does that not make him the best hitter ever? Nolan Ryan has the most strikeouts in the history of baseball. AND he has 7 no-hitters. But he's only got 1 ring, when he was a relief pitcher in 1969 with the NY Mets. He had almost nothing to do with winning the WS that year. Does that diminish him being 1 of the greats? I don't thin so.

IMO a player in a TEAM SPORT can still be 1 of the greats, even without a ring. In team sports there's just too many other factors involved.
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The ring just gets them into the circle. No one would be silly enough to suggest Dilfer was better than Marino just because Dilfer has a ring. But Dilfer has a ring.

Marino was a 'great' QB. But he doesnt belong in the discussion of the greatest.
 
VanceMack said:
Marino was a 'great' QB. But he doesnt belong in the discussion of the greatest.
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See, that's where I disagree. I can't say Bradshaw and his 4 rings was anywhere near as good as Marino. Marino I can make an argument of being 1 of the top 5 QB's. Even with Bradshaw's 4 rings, there's no way I can put Bradshaw in the top 5. Off the top of my head he and Brady are the only 2 with 4 rings? I still don't think that's enough to put Bradshaw in the greatest ever mix.

Again when I'm talking baseball I always mention Ted Williams as 1 of the greatest BB players of all time. He has no rings.

I can appreciate when a great player is also a great post-season player. But in team sports I got to look at the whole team too.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
See, that's where I disagree. I can't say Bradshaw and his 4 rings was anywhere near as good as Marino. Marino I can make an argument of being 1 of the top 5 QB's. Even with Bradshaw's 4 rings, there's no way I can put Bradshaw in the top 5. Off the top of my head he and Brady are the only 2 with 4 rings? I still don't think that's enough to put Bradshaw in the greatest ever mix.

Again when I'm talking baseball I always mention Ted Williams as 1 of the greatest BB players of all time. He has no rings.

I can appreciate when a great player is also a great post-season player. But in team sports I got to look at the whole team too.
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"He is the best modern-era passer to never win a Super Bowl."

And thats why he cant be considered in the greatest of all time category.

And think about it. His teams DID make the playoffs 10 times. Thats not a collection of scrubs. He DID have a line that provided that coverage. He DID have receivers to catch all those passes. Great...but not even in the dialogue when discussing greatest of all time. You have to make it to the mountaintop.
 
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