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Pete Rose

calamity said:
That might work. He sort of deserves to be kept on ice and denied the pleasure of being inducted. Guy really is an ass, sold almost everything he ever got from the game, according to the memorabilia guys. ****er would probably sell his plaque.
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Pete Rose had to sell his ****. Once he was banned he was denied his retirement pay which is about $100,000 plus a year (10 years get you $100,000). Think of this a player who's called up over 5 years and plays (on roster) 43 game collect $34,000 a year in a pension. Getting called up 1 day gets you free health care for life.

Since Charlie Hustle has been banned he's missed out on over $2m in retirement.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
I agree with everything you've said here except the part in bold.

I don't think it's vindictive at all. I think it is a way to both uphold the standards that baseball has set and to include people like Pete Rose, who's on-field accomplishments, the complete story of baseball cannot be told without.
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Pete Rose is not absent from the Hall. His name is there, his records are ... well, record. The bat (I believe) he used to get the record hit is there.
 
austrianecon said:
Pete Rose had to sell his ****. Once he was banned he was denied his retirement pay which is about $100,000 plus a year (10 years get you $100,000). Think of this a player who's called up over 5 years and plays (on roster) 43 game collect $34,000 a year in a pension. Getting called up 1 day gets you free health care for life.

Since Charlie Hustle has been banned he's missed out on over $2m in retirement.
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Tough titty. I'm sure the book helped make up for it.
 
justabubba said:
when did the hall of fame decide to select guys who followed the rules instead of players who excelled at the game of baseball
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When they didn't put Shoeless Joe in the Hall in 1936 when it opened. Go dig up those guys and ask them.
 
austrianecon said:
Pete Rose had to sell his ****. Once he was banned he was denied his retirement pay which is about $100,000 plus a year (10 years get you $100,000). Think of this a player who's called up over 5 years and plays (on roster) 43 game collect $34,000 a year in a pension. Getting called up 1 day gets you free health care for life.

Since Charlie Hustle has been banned he's missed out on over $2m in retirement.
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Ouch.
 
Kobie said:
Rose's stats aren't in question. On pure merit, he belongs in.

So do Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens and Rafael Palmeiro, along with more than a few guys who have been roped in via guilt by association (Jeff Bagwell is the most egregious), and they ain't in either.

Rose broke the cardinal rule of baseball.
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Which means he should be banned from 'the game' for the rest of his life. No doubt. But pretending he wasnt who he was is childish. He belongs in the hall with the whole story. So do Bonds, Clemens, probably Palmiero.
 
Kobie said:
Ty Cobb was elected in 1936, 17 years after the (likely true) allegations. Different time.
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same issue

Not that it matters in this discussion, but Ty Cobb was an exponentially better ballplayer than Pete ****ing Rose.
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and pete rose is a better baseball player than about 90% of the HOF inductees
what's your point?
 
it's just strange to me that he's banned from an establishment that awards on field accomplishment, yet how many steroidal hitters are in the HoF? I'd accept pete rose over an on-field cheater like maguire, sosa, bonds every time

And even if some of them are permanently blackballed out of the HoF, that their "accomplishments" were celebrated by MLB when damn near everyone could see plainly what was going on is far more of a nauseating farce than lifting the ban on pete rose would be
 
haymarket said:
Thank you for pointing this out. It clearly shows the hypocrisy of the situation since Cobb was the first man elected to the Hall.
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what are they supposed to do, retroactively remove ty cobb from the HoF? Pete rose didn't start playing till after cobb died. I really don't think the decisions have anything to do with each other

i guess MLB is hypocritical for banning joe jackson, then voting ty cobb to the HoF 18 years later. I mean, when do we let things go and accept that it's diff people making decisions in diff eras
 
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