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Next to the world football cup that I watch it is the European Cup. Countries inside Europe play to win the cup.

Today Albania played against Serbia in Serbia. Due to the aggressive nature of Serbian fans the Serbian government could not organize transportation of Albanian fans there:

No fans joining Albania in Serbia for qualifier - Sportsnet.ca

The situation was tense for the Albanian players though. There were several missed opportunities from the Albanian side. But later Serbian hooligans started causing havoc which ultimately delayed the game.

Then we made our presence known by a helicopter that carried the Albanian flag. I think this is a smart way to make yourself heard :) . Especially so since the Serbian fans yelled when the Albanian anthem played.

The game has stopped now because the Serbian hooligans made their way inside the field.

BBC Sport - Serbia v Albania

I am going off now (22.31). I do not care to see what happens next.

But other than this extreme hooliganism nonsense, whom do you want to win for the European Cup?
 
In that link above Daily Mail Online a poster mentions a "0-3 defeat." What does that mean? What happens now cause it seems the game ended with that much?
 
3-0 defeat is the default score when one team is disqualified, so that's probably what that was referring to. Eastern Europe has long been known for football hooliganism. League teams in Russia, Ukraine, Serbia etc etc have it really bad.

As to who is going to win the Euros? England. Obviously. It's going to be our year of course (even though the finals aren't for almost 2 years lol...)
 
3-0 defeat is the default score when one team is disqualified, so that's probably what that was referring to.

So Serbia got disqualified then. To be fair they ruthlessly intolerated anything resembling Albanian throughout the game. I am sure there will be heroes mention on their side about this.

Eastern Europe has long been known for football hooliganism. League teams in Russia, Ukraine, Serbia etc etc have it really bad.

Yeah, you can say that again. Albanians fans were not allowed, the ones that were (players, some viewers) were not allowed to use national symbols, there were roars during the Albanian national anthem that did not allow it to play, and even the drone with an Albanian flag was pulled down. Perhaps next year we will have to throw fliers from space in order to get through some symbols of our nation through these hools.

As to who is going to win the Euros? England. Obviously. It's going to be our year of course (even though the finals aren't for almost 2 years lol...)

I do not know about that Nilly. When is the England - Albanian match coming? :)
 
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France should take the Euro this year.
It's played at their home, and they're the team that made the biggest advance in the recent 3 years or so in my opinion.

And they have the future best player in the world, Paul Pogba, playing on their side.
 
Next to the world football cup that I watch it is the European Cup. Countries inside Europe play to win the cup.

Today Albania played against Serbia in Serbia. Due to the aggressive nature of Serbian fans the Serbian government could not organize transportation of Albanian fans there:

No fans joining Albania in Serbia for qualifier - Sportsnet.ca

The situation was tense for the Albanian players though. There were several missed opportunities from the Albanian side. But later Serbian hooligans started causing havoc which ultimately delayed the game.

Then we made our presence known by a helicopter that carried the Albanian flag. I think this is a smart way to make yourself heard :) . Especially so since the Serbian fans yelled when the Albanian anthem played.

The game has stopped now because the Serbian hooligans made their way inside the field.

BBC Sport - Serbia v Albania

I am going off now (22.31). I do not care to see what happens next.

But other than this extreme hooliganism nonsense, whom do you want to win for the European Cup?

Both teams should be thrown out of the tournament and banned for years. Enough is enough.

Serbia is a hotbed of hooliganism at the moment and it shows, but the Albanian "fans" and team clearly were part of this stunt and hence should be banned as well.

Why on earth would the Albanian players have anything against the Serbian player removing the drone flag? It is a disgusting piece of nationalistic crap that has no place on a football field and the Albanian players should be helping the Serbian players in removing it but in stead they attack the Serbian players?

UEFA should hit down hard on both sides, especially if the claim that the Albanian PMs brother was behind this is true.
 
Both teams should be thrown out of the tournament and banned for years. Enough is enough.

Serbia is a hotbed of hooliganism at the moment and it shows, but the Albanian "fans" and team clearly were part of this stunt and hence should be banned as well.

There were hardly any Albanian fans there. They were not allowed in, and they were not allowed to use national symbols. The game played in practically all near 100% Serb fanatics. Whoever was operating the drone was mirroring this oppression against freedom to express one's national values. We are more tolerant and do not block them from doing those on our lands.

Why on earth would the Albanian players have anything against the Serbian player removing the drone flag? It is a disgusting piece of nationalistic crap that has no place on a football field and the Albanian players should be helping the Serbian players in removing it but in stead they attack the Serbian players?

It is because it was amongst the few (if not the only) national symbol that went through Serbian hools.

UEFA should hit down hard on both sides, especially if the claim that the Albanian PMs brother was behind this is true.

Nonsense.

Serbia was the host and it should have organized it better. For one they should have not allowed any hool get into the field and attack Albanian players as they did several times. By that much (if not by not being able to secure an organization of Albanian fans) it now should be disqualified.
 
France should take the Euro this year.
It's played at their home, and they're the team that made the biggest advance in the recent 3 years or so in my opinion.

And they have the future best player in the world, Paul Pogba, playing on their side.

Do you have any best off Paul Pogba links?
 
There were hardly any Albanian fans there. They were not allowed in, and they were not allowed to use national symbols.

And yet there were fans there and they did use symbols.

The game played in practically all near 100% Serb fanatics.

Well they were in Serbia.. and since Albanians were banned by UEFA, then well duh!

Whoever was operating the drone was mirroring this oppression against freedom to express one's national values. We are more tolerant and do not block them from doing those on our lands.

So you admit that Albanians created the problem? Playing in Serbia has always been hostile to opposing teams. Hell playing in Albania is not much better.

It is because it was amongst the few (if not the only) national symbol that went through Serbian hools.

Since when is the Albanian flag black?

Flag_of_Albania.svg


The flag that was on the drone was black.

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and it does not resemble the Albanian flag in any way what so ever. It is a clear provocation by fascist Albanian nationalists.

Nonsense.

Serbia was the host and it should have organized it better. For one they should have not allowed any hool get into the field and attack Albanian players as they did several times. By that much (if not by not being able to secure an organization of Albanian fans) it now should be disqualified.

Oh I dont disagree at all. The Serbian FA screwed up big time. Too many people in the stadium according to some, and lax security. This has to have consequences on top of the general violence.

However the reaction of the Albanian players and the drone with a highly offensive banner is down to the Albanians and there has to be consequences for that as well.

Some of the information coming out is beyond strange.

There is an Albanian player quoted in saying they wanted to defend their flag on the drone.. again it was not the Albanian flag. And that does not justify them attacking the Serbian players, who then shielded the Albanian players as they fled down the tunnel away from the rioting Serbian fans.
 
And yet there were fans there and they did use symbols.

Well, if you count less than 1%. Which symbols other than the drone did they use?

Well they were in Serbia.. and since Albanians were banned by UEFA, then well duh!

So the nationality of the host should always be 100% then? Plus, Albanians were not banned, simply Serbia could not responsibility for Albanian fans.

So you admit that Albanians created the problem? Playing in Serbia has always been hostile to opposing teams. Hell playing in Albania is not much better.

No, not at all, you misunderstood. It was Serbian fault from start. They did not organize for fans from Albania to arrive. They did not allow the freedom to use one's symbols for those that did get there. They whistled and yelled when the national anthem played. Just because we found a smart way to present our national symbol and not get hurt from Serbian hooligans they got jealous and wanted that symbol out too.

They wanted total intolerance of foreign symbols. Only Serbian symbols was to be waved over there! So when they brought down this only symbol the players of course took offense and responded.

What was the player doing by bringing the flag down with such aggression anyway? Why did not some official took it down in a decent manner?

https://images.search.yahoo.com/ima...v&.crumb=dmX7R7azTW6&fr=yfp-t-418&fr2=piv-web

Since when is the Albanian flag black?

Flag_of_Albania.svg


The flag that was on the drone was black.

iliaU5beha_A.jpg


and it does not resemble the Albanian flag in any way what so ever. It is a clear provocation by fascist Albanian nationalists.

Nope,

The artist choose to use an older version of the Albanian flag.

Oh I dont disagree at all. The Serbian FA screwed up big time. Too many people in the stadium according to some, and lax security. This has to have consequences on top of the general violence.

However the reaction of the Albanian players and the drone with a highly offensive banner is down to the Albanians and there has to be consequences for that as well.

For what? Using this only symbol?!

Some tolerance Petey! We have to teach Serbs some freaking tolerance man!

Some of the information coming out is beyond strange.

There is an Albanian player quoted in saying they wanted to defend their flag on the drone.. again it was not the Albanian flag. And that does not justify them attacking the Serbian players, who then shielded the Albanian players as they fled down the tunnel away from the rioting Serbian fans.

There was no protection at any time. Albanians received many attacks throughout the game. Especially when going through the tunnel. See links above for all these statements.
 
And yet there were fans there and they did use symbols.

No, the fans that were there went on their own risk. Belgrade did not want to take responsibility for their safety. Using national symbols would have been even riskier!

Well they were in Serbia.. and since Albanians were banned by UEFA, then well duh!

Yes, so?! Only fans from the hosting country should be there at the games then by this much?

So you admit that Albanians created the problem? Playing in Serbia has always been hostile to opposing teams. Hell playing in Albania is not much better.

Nope,

Albanians were attacked throughout the game. They were not allowed to attend, carry national symbols, even be heard whilst singing their national anthem. The drone was a smart solution to present national symbols among intolerant Serbs.

Since when is the Albanian flag black?

Flag_of_Albania.svg


The flag that was on the drone was black.

iliaU5beha_A.jpg


and it does not resemble the Albanian flag in any way what so ever. It is a clear provocation by fascist Albanian nationalists.

No. That is a clear imagination of the artist, that used an older version of the Albanian flag. The coloration in red represent lands that are still Albanian to this day. The word "Authochtonus" means indigenous or native. While Ismail Qemali and Isa Boletini are heroes.

Basically it is an older national symbol of Albania created to appeal to all native Albanians living in various countries today. The black is just a surrounding.

Oh I dont disagree at all. The Serbian FA screwed up big time. Too many people in the stadium according to some, and lax security. This has to have consequences on top of the general violence.

However the reaction of the Albanian players and the drone with a highly offensive banner is down to the Albanians and there has to be consequences for that as well.

For what?

For using an older version of the Albanian national symbol? If Serbs were more tolerant and would allow foreign to Serbia national symbols (e.g., Albanian) from start it may have not come to this. At least one symbol had to be out there. Considering the danger of Serbian hooligans I think this was a good solution.

Some of the information coming out is beyond strange.

There is an Albanian player quoted in saying they wanted to defend their flag on the drone.. again it was not the Albanian flag. And that does not justify them attacking the Serbian players, who then shielded the Albanian players as they fled down the tunnel away from the rioting Serbian fans.

As I explained earlier, yes it was an older version of the Albanian flag. Albanian players went after their flag, not after Serbian players! Besides, both before and after the drone Albanian players were attacked from Serbs, especially while going towards the tunnel.
 
Oh what the heck is going on!

First I posted and it did not show. Then after I spent additional minutes to write another response to Pete, the initial post showed up!
 
Well, if you count less than 1%. Which symbols other than the drone did they use?

It should have been 0% and no drone. Why? Because that is how UEFA said it should be.

So the nationality of the host should always be 100% then? Plus, Albanians were not banned, simply Serbia could not responsibility for Albanian fans.

When the organizer says it should be so, then yes. And Albanian fans were banned.. legal fans that is. Serbia and Albanian were banned in selling tickets to Albanian fans.

No, not at all, you misunderstood. It was Serbian fault from start. They did not organize for fans from Albania to arrive.

Because Albanian fans were banned from attending. Not Serbia´s call but UEFAs.

They did not allow the freedom to use one's symbols for those that did get there.

Because it was banned by UEFA.. other than the Albanian flag and national anthem at the start.

They whistled and yelled when the national anthem played.

So what, happens all the time, especially with rivalries. I have heard boos and yelling during the anthem when England played Scotland, France vs England, and so on and so on. Belgrade, Tirana and other eastern European football venues have always been very hostile places to visit.

Just because we found a smart way to present our national symbol and not get hurt from Serbian hooligans they got jealous and wanted that symbol out too.

Again pure provocation by the Albanians. The Albanians were told not to present national symbols other than at official times, and keep their fans away from the game. They were told by UEFA, the organizer of the game. They disobeyed big time. And if the Prime Ministers brother was directly involved, then we are talking about organised conspiracy here.

They wanted total intolerance of foreign symbols. Only Serbian symbols was to be waved over there! So when they brought down this only symbol the players of course took offense and responded.

Again, no Albanian fans, means no Albanian symbols. It was played in Serbia so of course there would be only Serbian symbols. If England played in Wembly with only English fans, then there would be only English symbols.

What was the player doing by bringing the flag down with such aggression anyway? Why did not some official took it down in a decent manner?

It was not aggression at all, he jumped up and pulled it down... but yes an official should have done it.

Nope,

The artist choose to use an older version of the Albanian flag.

Bull****. The "older version" does not have nationalistic text and symbols on it and it is irrelevant.. the red flag with the coat of arms is the official Albanian flag... the banner did not remotely look like it.

For what? Using this only symbol?!

YES! You were ****ING banned from the freaking stadium and in using such symbols outside the official areas. So YES!

Some tolerance Petey! We have to teach Serbs some freaking tolerance man!

Has nothing to do with tolerance. The Serbs need the book thrown at them no doubt about that, but that does in no way mean that the Albanians should get away with their clear political provocation. Albania and Serbia knew the rules of hosting this game.. they BOTH broke those rules and must now suffer the consequences. At a minimum they need to play their remaining games behind closed doors, and at best both teams should be excluded from the Euro qualifiers and international football for a period of time.

There was no protection at any time. Albanians received many attacks throughout the game. Especially when going through the tunnel. See links above for all these statements.

And the Serbian FA will face the consequences for this. But it does not excuse the actions of the Albanians to start this problem in the first place.

Had there been no drone and had the Albanian player not attacked the Serbian player, then this game would have been finished. Sure it is a hostile atmosphere in Belgrade when it comes to football, but all pros know this. When Denmark played Yugoslavia back in the day, the hostility was there also which is one of the reasons we did not qualify for the 92 Euro finals.. until we were invited in to replace Yugoslavia and went on to win the whole thing :)
 
Oh what the heck is going on!

First I posted and it did not show. Then after I spent additional minutes to write another response to Pete, the initial post showed up!

Happens when your internet connection has a hickup.
 
It should have been 0% and no drone. Why? Because that is how UEFA said it should be.

When the organizer says it should be so, then yes. And Albanian fans were banned.. legal fans that is. Serbia and Albanian were banned in selling tickets to Albanian fans.

Because Albanian fans were banned from attending. Not Serbia´s call but UEFAs.

Because it was banned by UEFA.. other than the Albanian flag and national anthem at the start.

Not banned, but UEFA recommended not attending after Belgrade asked so. This is not a law that has been broken, but it was a recommendation. Anyway, tickets were sold to some Albanians, but not those from Dardania.

The stadium was nearly entirely made of Serbs. Some symbol had to be there!

No fans joining Albania in Serbia for qualifier - Sportsnet.ca

So what, happens all the time, especially with rivalries. I have heard boos and yelling during the anthem when England played Scotland, France vs England, and so on and so on. Belgrade, Tirana and other eastern European football venues have always been very hostile places to visit.

Perhaps when viewed as a singular event. But blocking attendance, not allowing use of symbols, and not allowing to sing a national anthem is just too much! We exist too you know! Some symbol had to be there.

Again pure provocation by the Albanians. The Albanians were told not to present national symbols other than at official times, and keep their fans away from the game. They were told by UEFA, the organizer of the game.

So why did Serbs sold tickets to Albanians that came from every other country except Dardania?

They disobeyed big time. And if the Prime Ministers brother was directly involved, then we are talking about organised conspiracy here.

There is a special section in DP for CT's. Lets keep this for sports.

Again, no Albanian fans, means no Albanian symbols. It was played in Serbia so of course there would be only Serbian symbols. If England played in Wembly with only English fans, then there would be only English symbols.

What kind of European football tournament is this? Games played where only hosting fans are present?!

It was not aggression at all, he jumped up and pulled it down... but yes an official should have done it.

Very aggressively. Some official should have done it in a more decent manner. Not an aggressive player that had already made 2 fouls.

Bull****. The "older version" does not have nationalistic text and symbols on it and it is irrelevant.. the red flag with the coat of arms is the official Albanian flag... the banner did not remotely look like it.

Observe many variations of the black eagle against a red background throughout history:

https://images.search.yahoo.com/sea...flamujt+e+Shqiperise&fr=yfp-t-418&fr2=piv-web

The red in the flag in the drone is painted to represent Albanians living in many nearby countries. The two faces are those of Albanian heroes. While "Autochton" is something we take pride in being indigenous/natives.

YES! You were ****ING banned from the freaking stadium and in using such symbols outside the official areas. So YES!

Again, Serbs themselves sold tickets to Albanians from everywhere but Dardania. Try telling your fans when they can use their symbols. Especially when bullied into not doing it. People just find a way not to be harmed and yet present symbols nevertheless.

Has nothing to do with tolerance. The Serbs need the book thrown at them no doubt about that,

I hear that Albania has 3 points while Serbia has 0 because they did not manage to provide security to Albanian players. Plus everyone in Serbia was intolerant of our symbols.

So, Yes, this is about tolerance. The method of treating this nationalistic illness amongst Serbs is exposure therapy. The ingenius method is also to be admired. We both treat poor Serbs that are locked in their nationalistic BS with exposure therapy (i.e., we forcefully tell them that there are other nations out there and they cannot do anything about other nations existence)and we manage to get away with it alive. There are risks and bruises but otherwise everyone came back healthy.

The exposure therapy that treats Serbian nationalism should continue. I heard Turkish fans claiming that they too will present Albanian flags in the game that will be played there. Hopefully with enough good willing fans perhaps Serbia may open their eyes on reality of other countries existence. That way sometimes in the future the area may be less hostile.

but that does in no way mean that the Albanians should get away with their clear political provocation.

Albania and Serbia knew the rules of hosting this game.. they BOTH broke those rules and must now suffer the consequences. At a minimum they need to play their remaining games behind closed doors, and at best both teams should be excluded from the Euro qualifiers and international football for a period of time.

And the Serbian FA will face the consequences for this. But it does not excuse the actions of the Albanians to start this problem in the first place.

Had there been no drone and had the Albanian player not attacked the Serbian player, then this game would have been finished. Sure it is a hostile atmosphere in Belgrade when it comes to football, but all pros know this. When Denmark played Yugoslavia back in the day, the hostility was there also which is one of the reasons we did not qualify for the 92 Euro finals.. until we were invited in to replace Yugoslavia and went on to win the whole thing :)

Serbs hosted, not Albanians, and they are charged with this:

The Serbian hosts have been charged over "insufficient organization," fireworks being set off, missiles being launched, a crowd disturbance, a field invasion by supporters and the use of a laser pointer, UEFA said.

That laser pointer may have caused a second Albanian goal attempt.

But you are right about what seems to occur later on. For we seem to be charged too with this:

The Football Association of Albania has been charged for "refusing to play" and over the display of "an illicit banner," the UEFA statement said.

Refusing to play under such chaos is understandable. As for an "illicit banner" should the licit banners been allowed from fans, this may have not happened at all. If Serbs were more tolerant of other countries' existence and their symbols this could have been a peaceful game. After all this is what Michael Platini (UEFA President) said:

UEFA President Michel Platini said he was saddened by the violence.

"Football is supposed to bring people together..."

That is why I claim that Serbian nationalism has to be responded to with exposure therapy.

The verdict will be made on the 23rd of October.

References:

UEFA Disciplinary Action Over Serbia-Albania Chaos - ABC News
 
Not banned, but UEFA recommended not attending after Belgrade asked so. This is not a law that has been broken, but it was a recommendation. Anyway, tickets were sold to some Albanians, but not those from Dardania.

The stadium was nearly entirely made of Serbs. Some symbol had to be there!

They were playing at home with a ban on selling tickets to Albanians.. for **** sake how hard is it to understand that?

Perhaps when viewed as a singular event. But blocking attendance, not allowing use of symbols, and not allowing to sing a national anthem is just too much! We exist too you know! Some symbol had to be there.

More lies. The national anthem was sung, the Albanian flag was flown. As for blocking attendance.. again it was UEFA who made that call.

So why did Serbs sold tickets to Albanians that came from every other country except Dardania?

First of all there is no such thing as Dardania. This was Albania playing Serbia. Nationalistic fantasy has no business in sports.

Secondly, that the Serbians sold tickets to Albanians and knew that they were Albanians.. well that is something they will have to answer for.

There is a special section in DP for CT's. Lets keep this for sports.

As I said if true, then it is a serious problem. We shall see, knowing the fanatics of the region I would not be surprised if it was true.

What kind of European football tournament is this? Games played where only hosting fans are present?!

In most games the home fans are 90+% of the people in the stadium. When Denmark goes to Tirana to play Albania (if they still are in the competition), then there will be maybe 50 Danish fans. Is it because that Danes cant afford it? Of course not. Is it because Danes dont support their team? No. It is because it is dangerous as hell traveling to Albania to watch football. So Albania fans will have the stadium almost to themselves.

Very aggressively. Some official should have done it in a more decent manner. Not an aggressive player that had already made 2 fouls.

And what the hell does the fouls in the game have of any relevance? That drone should NOT HAVE BEEN THERE!. He reacted corrected and removed the banner and the officials were far too slow to react. If it had been a fan running on the pitch attacking a player, dont you think the other players would have reacted faster than the officials?

The red in the flag in the drone is painted to represent Albanians living in many nearby countries. The two faces are those of Albanian heroes. While "Autochton" is something we take pride in being indigenous/natives.

Again not the Albanian flag and thank you for admitting that it was a nationalistic political banner...

I hear that Albania has 3 points while Serbia has 0 because they did not manage to provide security to Albanian players. Plus everyone in Serbia was intolerant of our symbols.

If that is the result, then it is a scandal of epic proportions.. rewarding nationalistic bull**** on the world football stage. Albania should be kicked out of the tournament along with Serbia.

That laser pointer may have caused a second Albanian goal attempt.

You dont watch much football eh?

Refusing to play under such chaos is understandable. As for an "illicit banner" should the licit banners been allowed from fans, this may have not happened at all. If Serbs were more tolerant of other countries' existence and their symbols this could have been a peaceful game. After all this is what Michael Platini (UEFA President) said:

Chaos that the Albanian players and someone with a drone started.. ..

We are talking about the clash of two of the worst neo fascist nationalistic countries in Europe, and that kind of crap has no business in sports.. ban the ****ing moronic nations till they learn how to behave like civilized nations.
 
They were playing at home with a ban on selling tickets to Albanians.. for **** sake how hard is it to understand that?

I hereby report that the sales continued nevertheless.

More lies. The national anthem was sung, the Albanian flag was flown. As for blocking attendance.. again it was UEFA who made that call.

Not heard from the noise, and flags not waved from fans.

First of all there is no such thing as Dardania. This was Albania playing Serbia. Nationalistic fantasy has no business in sports.

Albanians from Dardania were especially not allowed to attend. How should one communicate this happening without appearing "nationalistic?"

Secondly, that the Serbians sold tickets to Albanians and knew that they were Albanians.. well that is something they will have to answer for.

Okay.

As I said if true, then it is a serious problem. We shall see, knowing the fanatics of the region I would not be surprised if it was true.

Send this to CT. I could post the denial of the brother of Albania's PM there. It would not derail the thread needlessly here.

In most games the home fans are 90+% of the people in the stadium. When Denmark goes to Tirana to play Albania (if they still are in the competition), then there will be maybe 50 Danish fans. Is it because that Danes cant afford it? Of course not. Is it because Danes dont support their team? No. It is because it is dangerous as hell traveling to Albania to watch football. So Albania fans will have the stadium almost to themselves.

The Danes?! Why? :shock:

I think you are thoroughly mistaken here Pete! We got nothing against you?! Who is giving you this BS if I may ask?

Wait! Does thus has to do with Srebrenica? I had a guest from Netherlands recently and he told me that you think that we blame you for Srebrenica? If that is the case then I should clear up some needless tension by telling you that it is not the case at all!

I was told that the French did not provide for air support. You had to evacuate, and did not even had a mandate to fight as UMPROFOR. Besides, the Danish NATO troops have repeatedly and continuously kicked some serious Serb ass in their mission in Dardania.

I think you are more than welcome to attend here in Albania.

Why! Serbs can attend too. They can boast about their flags and their nationalistic values. This is just a game.

Plus they have been doing all that and we have been tolerating it by a century by now. Time to see some reciprocity and be free to express our nationalistic values over there too!

And what the hell does the fouls in the game have of any relevance? That drone should NOT HAVE BEEN THERE!. He reacted corrected and removed the banner and the officials were far too slow to react. If it had been a fan running on the pitch attacking a player, dont you think the other players would have reacted faster than the officials?

The fouls show that the player was aggressive. So you had a foul making aggressive player removing the older version of the national flag disrespectfully. The Albanian players took offense and went to take and later protected the only fan national flag. The excuse that other officials were too slow thus it was up to this aggressive player alone to save the day is not serious.

Again not the Albanian flag and thank you for admitting that it was a nationalistic political banner...

It is just an older version of the Albanian flag. The fans thought out a good way to present our national flag and not get hurt. Pretty smart. Nothing political about it.

If that is the result, then it is a scandal of epic proportions.. rewarding nationalistic bull**** on the world football stage. Albania should be kicked out of the tournament along with Serbia.

This is your position. I disagree.

You dont watch much football eh?

Chaos that the Albanian players and someone with a drone started.. ..

We are talking about the clash of two of the worst neo fascist nationalistic countries in Europe, and that kind of crap has no business in sports.. ban the ****ing moronic nations till they learn how to behave like civilized nations.

Okay. Now you went too far!
 
We are talking about the clash of two of the worst neo fascist nationalistic countries in Europe, and that kind of crap has no business in sports.. ban the ****ing moronic nations till they learn how to behave like civilized nations.

To call whole countries as "moronic" is a nationalist statement in itself?
 
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To call whole countries as "moronic" is a nationalist statement in itself?

Eh?

The whole case is moronic.. the act, the reaction and the aftermath. Governments defending each side and promoting nationalistic bull****. It is disgusting.
 

In your post it is stated that countries are moronic. Roughly 10 million people are "morons" according to such premises in the statement?

The whole case is moronic.. the act, the reaction and the aftermath. Governments defending each side and promoting nationalistic bull****. It is disgusting.

Well our countries may be disgusting to intolerant people in Netherlands such as you. I do not think we called for such attitudes ever, but to tell you the truth I am tired of trying to figure out what it is with you and Albanians.

Especially after the previous statement of entire countries being morons according to your high horse perspective! It is no longer decent to speak to you!
 
Both teams should be thrown out of the tournament and banned for years. Enough is enough.

Serbia is a hotbed of hooliganism at the moment and it shows, but the Albanian "fans" and team clearly were part of this stunt and hence should be banned as well.

Why on earth would the Albanian players have anything against the Serbian player removing the drone flag? It is a disgusting piece of nationalistic crap that has no place on a football field and the Albanian players should be helping the Serbian players in removing it but in stead they attack the Serbian players?

UEFA should hit down hard on both sides, especially if the claim that the Albanian PMs brother was behind this is true.
Albanians fans were not banned by UEFA. This is so big lie.
No one with an Albanian passport was allowed to enter in Serbia. There were in total 20 Albanians at VIP sector, including 5 Albanian journalists and Albanians with US/Swiss passport.
All of their bags and players bags were checked carefully for any kind of flag. No flag was allowed to enter in Serbia.

What on earth would serbian fans and security forces have with albanian players taking the flag and handing it to UEFA official (as it really happened).
 
They were playing at home with a ban on selling tickets to Albanians.. for **** sake how hard is it to understand that?
More lies. The national anthem was sung, the Albanian flag was flown. As for blocking attendance.. again it was UEFA who made that call.
Secondly, that the Serbians sold tickets to Albanians and knew that they were Albanians.. well that is something they will have to answer for.
And what the hell does the fouls in the game have of any relevance? That drone should NOT HAVE BEEN THERE!. He reacted corrected and removed the banner and the officials were far too slow to react. If it had been a fan running on the pitch attacking a player, dont you think the other players would have reacted faster than the officials?
Again not the Albanian flag and thank you for admitting that it was a nationalistic political banner...
If that is the result, then it is a scandal of epic proportions.. rewarding nationalistic bull**** on the world football stage. Albania should be kicked out of the tournament along with Serbia.
Chaos that the Albanian players and someone with a drone started.. ..
We are talking about the clash of two of the worst neo fascist nationalistic countries in Europe, and that kind of crap has no business in sports.. ban the ****ing moronic nations till they learn how to behave like civilized nations.

12’40″ – Lila on ground after a ball taken on face, a firework throwed at him.
14’29″ – 1st throw of smoky
24’33″ – Raising nationalistic greek flag to provoce albanians.
35’11″ – Smoke throwed against, Agolli, while he was taking a corner. Object throwed against him. Match suspended for few moments.
40’45″ – Water bottle throwed against Balaj.
40’58″ – Serbian fans trying to get in field. Stopped by security forces.
41’09″ – Smoke and fireworks on field.
41’13″ – Smoke and fireworks on field, AGAIN. Match suspended for a while.
41’16″ – Refree Atkinson requesting to remove the firework.
41’57″ – The DRONE
and the apocalypse start.


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1. Albanian fans were not allowed to attend the match. Serb authorities said they would arrest anyone who showed any symbol of the visiting team in the stadium — restrictions that are almost unheard of in international football. A few Albanian supporters were able to get in, but the crowd was more than 99 percent Serb.
2. The Serb crowd chanted, “Ubij, Ubij Siptar” – “Kill, Kill the Albanians,” throughout the 40 minutes the game was played. They used the Milosevic-era derogatory term for Albanian, which is akin to the n-word in North America.
3. The stadium was filled with Serb nationalistic political banners, like “Kosovo is Serbia” and other slogans relating to Bosnia and Croatia. The Serb fans loudly booed the Albanian national anthem.
4. Hard objects and fireworks were thrown on Albanian players well before the drone started flying. The few Albanian journalists who had dared to go to Belgrade also reported that they were pelted with hard objects throughout the first half.
5. Ivan Bogdanovic, the Serb hooligan who led the 2010 Italy match riot, was seen invading the pitch (he is not allowed to attend any stadium for 4 years). He served jail time in Serbia after the Italy incident, in which he burned an Albanian flag. That game had to be abandoned as well. Yesterday he led a group of masked supporters into the pitch before being kicked out by police.
6. More than half of Albania’s national team has roots in Kosovo, which split from Serbia in the late 90s in a violent conflict that ended through a NATO intervention 15 years go. The NATO flag was also burned in Belgrade last night. (Albania has been a NATO member since 2009. Serbia is officially EU-minded, but also Russia-friendly.)
7. Despite the harsh political atmosphere in the stadium, the Albanian national team went to play football, and it managed to overcome a shaky first few minutes, moving to gain the upper hand in the field when the interruption happened.
8. The drone came from the outside of the stadium, which means nobody knows who flied it, so there can be no punishment, because the rules were no flags or national symbols inside the stadium by Albanian fans.
9. Albanians may have been very little in number, but no Albanian lets his flag to be torn down or stepped on. And of course they (Xhaka 14 and Lila 2) reached to protect it, but they only wanted to protect the flag and the Serbs started the fight because of that particular fact.
10. The fans rushed into the field and threw chairs and fought Albanian players, so of course they had to fight back to protect each other whilst there were a handful of Albanians vs 30.000 Serbs. Above all the people who were employed to keep the order were kicking and boxing the Albanian Team Captain (Cana 5).


There were so many reasons to close the game before it started.
The drone is just a justification.

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You can turn the facts as you want but blaming Albanians for provocation make such no sense.
Meanwhile, chanting "Kill, kill the albanians", rasing serbian and greek nationalistic flag, burning albanian and nato flag (before the drone appeared) doesn't make so??
 
In most games the home fans are 90+% of the people in the stadium. When Denmark goes to Tirana to play Albania (if they still are in the competition), then there will be maybe 50 Danish fans. Is it because that Danes cant afford it? Of course not. Is it because Danes dont support their team? No. It is because it is dangerous as hell traveling to Albania to watch football. So Albania fans will have the stadium almost to themselves. .

Pete, I guess you don't watch too much football or have few info about Albania.

There were teams like Germany, Portugal, Denmark, Netherlands, Greece which played in Albania and always the tickets were shared at the correct percentage.
There is no single kind of problem during a match in Albania football's history. I don't know where you come up with that " it is dangerous as hell traveling to Albania to watch football." It's so 180 degree wrong.

Years ago Greece played here. Albania won. And a 19 years old was killed in Athens because he was celebrating the victory of Albania.
Nothing happened here to any Greek.

Few months ago, Serbian flag was raised in Tirana. Nothing happened.
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Punishment is out.. Albanian lose the game 3-0 and Serbia gets 3 points deducted and has to play the next two home games behind closed doors. Both countries FA have to pay 100k each in fines.

Personally it is more than I expected, but not nearly enough in my opinion.
 
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