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What's with the bullying scandal?

My prediction of this guy is he ends up dead outside a night club riddled with bullets when he picks a fight with the wrong guys.
 
poweRob said:
My prediction of this guy is he ends up dead outside a night club riddled with bullets when he picks a fight with the wrong guys.
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no one ever did in don king, whose history was about exploiting professional boxers and then publicly bragging about it, humiliating them

which is why i cannot subscribe to your prediction
 
justabubba said:
no one ever did in don king, whose history was about exploiting professional boxers and then publicly bragging about it, humiliating them

which is why i cannot subscribe to your prediction
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Don King wasn't a bar-room physical bully like Incognito. He manipulated people from a distance in the comfort of his office.
 
So what happens to this whole 'scandal' if it is revealed that a week before the 'threatening' phone call it turns out that in fact Martin was sending Incognito the same types of texts...threatening to murder his whole family, etc?

Recent report on the sports sites is that Incognito turned over ALL his texts to a reporter, including the ones Martin sent previously. SO...IF it turns out this really is a long running series of exchanges that maybe Martin was engaged in, does the rhetoric THEN become, "yeah...but still...." or do people just accept that MAYBE there is more to all of this than the few lines they have read and their already in place preconceived causes?
 
ecofarm said:
What was he supposed to do?
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Either what he did, or take it and dish back out. He chose not to take it which quite frankly is respectable and lets the team move on and find somebody to take his place.
 
austrianecon said:
It's 100% violence. Your lively hood is on the line 100% of the time. One missed block and you could end up a being a cripple. A few years of missed blocks and taking hits and you end up with brain damage, which the NFL just paid millions out of pocket to pay for treatment for former players.

It says everything about Martin's ability. Martin was one of the worst tackles in the NFL last year and was on pace to be even worse this year. The Dolphins had to replace earlier this year at left tackle (the blind side) because he wasn't doing his job protecting the QB. So they had to sign another tackle, which cost the Dolphins money, ate into Salary Cap next year and effects the pay of every player.

Martin had no fight in him. He got steamrolled every game. He had to toughen up..and he didn't do it on his own so players were asked to help him along. But instead of Martin getting the clue, he did the typical response of someone who doesn't have fight in him. He walked away and blamed others for his lack of ability.


Now that doesn't mean I agree with some of the stuff that happened. But certainly some of it's acceptable. Just another example of pussification of American sports.
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lizzie said:
Technically, it's not combat, but much of the drive in today's sports dates back to the days of the Roman Colosseum games and gladiators, when fights were to the death in many cases. There is much similarity between sports teams and combat units, wrt necessary cohesiveness and a strong desire to emerge the victor. In a team sport, it's essential that you feel you can trust and count on your teammates. I'm not saying this justifies bullying, but I believe that is the origin of this tendency in humans.
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justabubba said:
it most definitely IS fighting. not to the death. but only one of the team combatants is going to prevail. ******s don't fare well in such sport. which probably explains why the team mates have come out in support of incognito rather than martin


what does not kill you makes you stronger
there was hazing in the two sports i played thru college; hell there was hazing back then just because we were freshmen. adapting to the hazing, which included dishing it out as well as accepting the abuse, may not have made you tougher, but it sure eliminated those who were not tough enough to endure it


and i will contend you are wrong. as proof, watch and see if he suits up this week. the ***** took himself out of the game


what is stupid is being unable to recognize that is exactly what happened. martin chose flight. he wussed out when confronted. not the kind of fellow i would want on the line next to me in a rough and tumble pro football game. he's soft. which is why the coaching staff told elected team captain incognito to 'toughen him up'


but notice they are all pressure situations. and if you fold under pressure, you will probably lose. and those beside you are also subject to lose ... because the guy beside the could not stand the pressure


the reality is the guy does not have the balls to play with the big boys. he's soft. that's no 'blame', that martin is soft is nothing other than the unvarnished truth
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First: No, it is nothing like combat. In combat you don't stop every couple seconds, help the other side to their feet and go take a break. In combat there is no halftime, there is no set time limit, you are not competing with your pears, you are not running a handful of set plays. In combat, you can die. The differences are extreme.

But the one thing that makes thwe whole "mental toughness for combat" argument look really stupid...our soldiers would be discharged for doing anything like this kind of ****. This type of **** does not make you stronger, it makes you weaker. This type of **** does not bring people together, it tears them apart. Do you really think Miami is a stronger team for all of this?
 
I don't have too much time for the Incognitos of this world, even if they are isolated in a situation where men are playing games for a living, but I did think very highly of Shannon Sharpe's comments yesterday - very powerful, very much on topic, and perhaps the only good to come out of the whole discussion. Well worth hearing if you get the chance.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Man up. Not run to mommy and daddy.
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"Man up"? What an odd turn of phrase. Lets look at those "manly" options he had.

He could just accept it, working in an environment that he clearly did not feel was worth the money. That does not sound terribly manly to me. That sounds stupid.

Go to the coaching staff to have them intervene? Well, coaching staff may have been complicit and that probably would not have been properly "manly" for you.

Fight Incognito? That is not manly, that is childish and unlikely to change his behavior.

Walk away from a job where he was not happy, and publicize what was going on so that maybe the next young kid would not have to put up with this kind of ****, despite the fact he would be villianized and insulted? You might actually be able to call that one "manly"...
 
CRUE CAB said:
When he wasnt killing people.
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Don king is one of the biggest reasons I like Floyd mayweather. Floyd cut out those Don king middle men.
 
Redress said:
"Man up"? What an odd turn of phrase. Lets look at those "manly" options he had.

He could just accept it, working in an environment that he clearly did not feel was worth the money. That does not sound terribly manly to me. That sounds stupid.

Go to the coaching staff to have them intervene? Well, coaching staff may have been complicit and that probably would not have been properly "manly" for you.

Fight Incognito? That is not manly, that is childish and unlikely to change his behavior.

Walk away from a job where he was not happy, and publicize what was going on so that maybe the next young kid would not have to put up with this kind of ****, despite the fact he would be villianized and insulted? You might actually be able to call that one "manly"...
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How old is Martin?
If he pushes this, his football career is over. NOONE will take him. Hope he saved some of that signing bonus.
From the interview, its sounds like he gave as good as he got as well.
He is acting like a child whos feeling got hurt. Man up and blow it off and do the job you have been contracted to do.
 
CRUE CAB said:
How old is Martin?
If he pushes this, his football career is over. NOONE will take him. Hope he saved some of that signing bonus.
From the interview, its sounds like he gave as good as he got as well.
He is acting like a child whos feeling got hurt. Man up and blow it off and do the job you have been contracted to do.
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So making a tough decision which might cost you your career is unmanly now?

Do you always take one persons word for things?

Not accepting abuse is childlike now? Letting some one harass you is "manly"?

That is an incredibly odd definition of "manly" you have.
 
Redress said:
So making a tough decision which might cost you your career is unmanly now?

Do you always take one persons word for things?

Not accepting abuse is childlike now? Letting some one harass you is "manly"?

That is an incredibly odd definition of "manly" you have.
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When a whole team is depending on you? Yes, very unmanly. Like I also said, from the text messages. It sounds like he gave as good as he got.
 
CRUE CAB said:
When a whole team is depending on you? Yes, very unmanly. Like I also said, from the text messages. It sounds like he gave as good as he got.
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Maybe the whole team should not have treated him like **** if they wanted to depend on him. Maybe walking away was the manly thing to do.
 
Redress said:
Maybe the whole team should not have treated him like **** if they wanted to depend on him. Maybe walking away was the manly thing to do.
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Walking away is never the manly thing to do. He lost all respect from his team mates at that point.
On top of that, he signed a contract to play. So he has that responsibility that he walked away from.
 
Listen to Incognitos interview yesterday. He was embarrassed by the voicemail. Says it was taken "out of context". I don't care what the context is, he knew he had crossed a line and was embarrassed by his actions. He admits going too far. This isn't about Martin walking away. Did Martin call the press and whine to them about how he was being treated? No, he went and got some help to put himself into a mentally healthy place. Putting any blame on Martin for trying to mend himself mentally is ridiculous. You wouldn't make fun of an alcoholic at an AA meeting would you? I think anyone saying Martin needs to "man up" should revisit what their definition of being a "man" is.
 
Chaddelamancha said:
Listen to Incognitos interview yesterday. He was embarrassed by the voicemail. Says it was taken "out of context". I don't care what the context is, he knew he had crossed a line and was embarrassed by his actions. He admits going too far. This isn't about Martin walking away. Did Martin call the press and whine to them about how he was being treated? No, he went and got some help to put himself into a mentally healthy place. Putting any blame on Martin for trying to mend himself mentally is ridiculous. You wouldn't make fun of an alcoholic at an AA meeting would you? I think anyone saying Martin needs to "man up" should revisit what their definition of being a "man" is.
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A man, who is part of a team. Mans up by handling the situation in house. Talks frankly with this team mates and coaches if needed.
Not leave the team in the middle of the season when said season is not going that great.
Heck even where I work guys are always giving each other hell or calling each other names. Its all part of the daily life to break up the monotony.
 
Glad that works for you, it doesn't for everyone. Doesn't make him any less of a man. Should he have just dealt with it until he couldn't do it anymore? Then what? Act out in violence? As far as I can tell, he did the man thing and sought help when he needed it.

CRUE CAB said:
A man, who is part of a team. Mans up by handling the situation in house. Talks frankly with this team mates and coaches if needed.
Not leave the team in the middle of the season when said season is not going that great.
Heck even where I work guys are always giving each other hell or calling each other names. Its all part of the daily life to break up the monotony.
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Redress said:
First: No, it is nothing like combat. In combat you don't stop every couple seconds, help the other side to their feet and go take a break. In combat there is no halftime, there is no set time limit, you are not competing with your pears, you are not running a handful of set plays. In combat, you can die. The differences are extreme.
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First off, you need to learn the word combat. To help you out: Combat: a fight or contest between individuals or groups. By definition it's combat. The military has no exclusive rights to the word combat.

Secondly, no player from one team helps another player from the other team up. They will pull them off their own teammate but never ever extend a hand to help them (the other team's player) up.

The rest of this nonsense applies to the first part of what I wrote. You are claiming exclusive rights to a word that the military doesn't own. So you need separate your arbitrary definition for one that's the accepted definition in the dictionary.

Redress said:
But the one thing that makes thwe whole "mental toughness for combat" argument look really stupid...our soldiers would be discharged for doing anything like this kind of ****. This type of **** does not make you stronger, it makes you weaker. This type of **** does not bring people together, it tears them apart. Do you really think Miami is a stronger team for all of this?
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Again, apples and oranges based on your arbitrary definition. Nobody is likening the NFL to serving in the military, only you and Kellen Winslow. With Martin gone and replaced by Bryant McKinnie? Yes. Dolphins have a better chance to make the playoffs today then they did 2 weeks ago.
 
poweRob said:
I wouldn't want raging. I would want smart and disciplined.

So by your definition... I guess me and Tony Dungee don't know football.


You keep this guy in your locker room...


I'll keep cool caulation in mine.
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Good for Tony Dungee.. how many chances did the Colts have to go to the Superbowl and were blown? How many times did the Pat's defense own the OL of the Colts in AFC championship games?

Accused, that's all you got? You can look on any football team and find player with some type of accusation. Hell, convicted felons play in the NFL. Ray Lewis was the anchor of the Raven's defense for years. Michael Vick and the list can go on of players with vehicular manslaughter charges. So yeah.. accused of "molesting" an adult.. is not even close to the worse of the NFL.
 
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