Why Terrorist are angry with America!

FinnMacCool said:

Gysgt, its too bad everyone isn't insensitve like you. If they were, the war would be over in only a few more weeks! Blow up those mosques, I say! I mean its only muslims in there after all and everyone knows they are terrorists.

Oh yeah and why even bother thinking about why they developed fanatical hatred of us. Just kill em I say.

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What can I say. A military target is a military target. Sensitivity is for the individual that watches our troops conduct warfare through their television sets. Not every mosque is a target. Only the ones where the enemy holds up in and tries to rely on our "sensitivities" to allow them to organize. I'm a trained and practiced Marine. Sensitivity in combat equals death.

Incidentally, the majority of the Muslims in the Middle East could care less about taking up arms against their brothers and against America. I have had many conversations with Muslims in Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia and I would invite the many of them over to my apartment. They are good people, but they live under the rule of Sunni Islamic fanaticism throughout the region. Our problem is with the militant Islamists that do commit murder on their fellow Muslim and American civilians and the millions of Muslims that cheer them on. Targeting us is fine. We are a military. However this is not what they do. They largely avoid us and murder their own and kill our civilians that rely on us to protect them.

What frustrates me most is that people still refuse to believe their own two eyes. The fanatics are murdering their own kind in Iraq. They murdered over 2 million Christians in the Sudan. Although they would have people believe that this is a religious war for them, it is not. They are merely using their perverted sense of Islam to destroy anybody that is not like them. This is a Sunni problem. Even now, they are the one's that refuse the new Iraqi constitution, which has a lot to do with our pull out. They refused to come out and vote and then they complain about their lack of power in the new government. The Shi'ites and the Kurds have given them a voice in the council even though they didn't earn it, and they still disrupt any attempt to make an equal Iraq. Today...they disagreed on the the new constitution. Why? Simply, because it does not place them in power like they are every where else in the Middle East. The Middle East is due for a civil war and the sooner they do it, the safer the world will be, because we will back the Kurds and Shi'ites.

When accused of being "insensitive", I take a minor insult to it. Compassion and sensitivity are very important to a Marine in combat. He must choose when to turn that switch on and off. I can honestly say, that I have perfected this skill. And yes, to a combatant, this is a skill that must be learned. If it is not, the combatant can find himself in dangerous territory that can result in his death, the death of others, or a disasterous mistake. Since I am honest and a very honorable fellow, I will admit that I had to be cleared of a "mistake" that did not and still does not sit right with me. It was a situation that did not have to happen, but I had only a second to react. The majority of responsibility lied upon the "victim", but I, ultimatlety, am the one that pulled the trigger. Such is combat. It doesn't matter why people want war (WMD, oil, liberation, etc.). It doesn't matter what Democrats vote for, no matter what Republicans vote for, and it doesn't matter what they decide after the thrill of sending American troops off to fight, kill, and die....war is war to the many that have to actually conduct it.

So...basically....screw you and have a beer on me.

mistermain said:

We do not wish to harm Muslims. The people we care to rid the world of are the radical terrorists (some of which happen to be Muslim). True we are fighting against Muslims in Iraq, but who else would we be fighting with in Iraq. I agree our foreign policy is at times retarded. I am a capitalist, but I do not agree with this country being run as if it were a corporation. Unfortunately that is the direction we are going. Most of the political candidates available to us come from big business, and that is the only way they know how to run things.

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Yeah.

We live amongst Muslims in our own country. This is not about Islam. It is about the Middle East and their perversions of a religion to murder and destroy. The islam of the Kurds and the Islam of the Shi'ites are not the Islam of the Arab Sunni. The Arab Sunni uses Islam to maintain power throughout the region. Everyone else is seen as inferior or as "infidels". For the sake of heading someone off at the pass, I'm speaking generally. I'm sure there are some great Sunni humanitarians out.

Originally Posted by GySgt:
So...basically....screw you and have a beer on me.

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Would that be a Magnum 40, or a Shlitz Bull?

I drink neither, but to each their own.

GySgt, I'm trying to understand. Are you talking about mosques being a military target as a marine or as a human being? If its the former, then I will ammend my post.

But otherwise, I couldn't care less.

I, unlike you, have never been in combat so you definatly have that over me. But I don't like how you call us "bleeding hearts" because we feel bad about the military blowing up civillian targets.

I saw her tape. I loved it. A cute anorexic young girl like that with so much money and to be so drugged out turned me on quite a bit. They must be homosexuals if they did not liek it.

Sarcasm there last sentance at least.

"GySgt, I'm trying to understand. Are you talking about mosques being a military target as a marine or as a human being? If its the former, then I will ammend my post.

But otherwise, I couldn't care less."

....said the cowardly and ignorant teenager as he sits comfortably in Long Island.

....said the cowardly and ignorant teenager as he sits comfortably in Long Island.

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Well now thats really something right there. You don't know anything about me. But I guess thats typical of someone like you. What the hell are you doing other then say crap from the safety of your computer? I can't believe they tell me to support people like him. Shoot first and ask questions later, is it? Don't bother accepting someones apology either for a hasty post. Or answer his question. You think your tough cause your a marine but what the hell does that do for you anyways? Go someplace where people are impressed by that sort of thing.

I really dont care why they hate us for this year.
Its going to be different from last year and different still from 20 years ago.
It will always change to fit the need and/or goal ohh and the "R" word.
Religion..

same $hit different day

"Well now thats really something right there. You don't know anything about me. But I guess thats typical of someone like you. What the hell are you doing other then say crap from the safety of your computer? I can't believe they tell me to support people like him. Shoot first and ask questions later, is it? Don't bother accepting someones apology either for a hasty post. Or answer his question."

Don't bother asking me my real world track record, it is not of issue.

You're comment attempted to show a condescending seperation between a Marine and a humanitarian. I qoute...."as a marine or as a human being."

You will not find any bigger humanitarian than the Marine that deploys forward and conducts combat missions while safe guarding and giving aid to the civilians around him.

Oh thank you, sir.

GySgt said:

"Well now thats really something right there. You don't know anything about me. But I guess thats typical of someone like you. What the hell are you doing other then say crap from the safety of your computer? I can't believe they tell me to support people like him. Shoot first and ask questions later, is it? Don't bother accepting someones apology either for a hasty post. Or answer his question."

Don't bother asking me my real world track record, it is not of issue.

You're comment attempted to show a condescending seperation between a Marine and a humanitarian. I qoute...."as a marine or as a human being."

You will not find any bigger humanitarian than the Marine that deploys forward and conducts combat missions while safe guarding and giving aid to the civilians around him.

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I found one.... The video of the guy who got a rush off shooting the unarmed iraqi. I loved that video. I use to play americas army... Man I so wish I was there. Ill see if i can get the link and post it up here for EVERYONE TO SEE. Wonder if it hit aljazeera yet.

It's already hit this site somewhere on another thread. It is a video of an unarmed militant that reached for his clothing. It is a very lethal thing to do. Besides that, they are known for using our own ROE against us and faking injury. They prey on our decency (weakness) and exploit it and kill Marines and Navy Corpsmen that expose themselves to offer aid. There are literally 175,000 Marines in the Corps. You bring up one Marine that found joy in killing the enemy and doing his job? As I stated before, there is a satisfaction in killing one of these people that would see your civilian family as a "military target." What do you expect...we are trained to kill...not suck dick.

Pathetic and very representative of a liberal looking to find ways to undermine a noble effort.

I know that I agree with you 100% Im just being an asshole. Soemtimes I wonder how much I would really have enjoyed marching through baghdad. Shooting terrorists with my buddies. <--- seriously

Im not trying to disrespect other people who wear towels on the head just the terrorists that do.

I also Understand that they wear em cause its ****ing hot there.

Also I dont know how much they really resemble a towel.

Okay I should have used different wording I apologize Ill remove it.

GySgt said:

Besides that, they are known for using our own ROE against us and faking injury. They prey on our decency (weakness) and exploit it and kill Marines and Navy Corpsmen that expose themselves to offer aid.

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a very true aspect of this war that many of its opponents completely ignore. this also plays directly into the whole mosque thing. these 'freedom fighters' cowardly hide behind the innocent relying on the compassion and sensitivity that we're expected to show them. god knows when a trained marine makes a decision to take a life when he feels that his own and that of the people among him (including a civilian journalist) are in danger, he will be punished by people in his own country who sit on their ass all day criticizing a war they know nothing about serving in.

FinnMacCool, what happens when a group of terrorists are planning an attack against you and your fellow soldiers, but in a Mosque? you've located them and have the ability to halt their plans by use of force, but you say we dont take advantage of that opportunity because its a holy site. by not taking them out, you've put people in danger. how do you handle this situation? what exactly would you do? you cant ridicule something that you have no solution for yourself. not to make general statements, but this is the biggest problem with most liberals these days. a whole lot of criticism, but no other solutions being brought to the table.

By all means...make general statements. When the majority fits the definition, a general statement is acceptable. I make them all the time.

FinnMacCool, what happens when a group of terrorists are planning an attack against you and your fellow soldiers, but in a Mosque? you've located them and have the ability to halt their plans by use of force, but you say we dont take advantage of that opportunity because its a holy site. by not taking them out, you've put people in danger. how do you handle this situation? what exactly would you do?

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I call in an airstrike and they blow them to smithereens. It's a shame those ten or so civillians had to die but thats war right?

"I call in an airstrike and they blow them to smithereens. It's a shame those ten or so civillians had to die but thats war right?"

Awww...but the problem is only solved militarily. There is adjacent buildings with civilians in them that would die in the attack, so an assault may be the best thing. Usually, an asault that places Marines in danger is often the solution over an air strike that would kill surrounding civilians. This is what the media does not report on. Either way, after the media reports on half the facts and the liberal masses eat up every word, you then get to hear all about how you are a war criminal and are "murdering" helpless civilians in their churches as they worship Allah.

Well that's why they are so pissed with us apparently.

Either way, after the media reports on half the facts and the liberal masses eat up every word, you then get to hear all about how you are a war criminal and are "murdering" helpless civilians in their churches as they worship Allah.

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By saying this, does this mean your one of those people that thinks the media is slanted towards liberals? Cause your wrong. There is no slant. Not to conservatives or liberals. These stations exist to make money. The news they report reflects the mood of the country but thats a completly different topic.

You can take it whatever way you want, honestly. I do think that it is not in our best interests to **** even more people off. Regardless of how you feel about liberals and their propaganda or people that are against Bush, a lot of the muslims in the middle east think we are in a holy war with them.

I don't think that the media is maliciously liberal based. The media strives to bring every dramatic story and tragedy to the publics attention. It is not about truth. It is about scandel and money. There is no success stories that will sell papers over what a tragedy will do. Selling a story to the public on a "flushed Koran", or the humiliation of militant Islamists at "Abu-Ghraib", or the alleged abuses at Gitmo, will always find an interested audience over a success story of the Kurds in Iraq or the successes all across Iraq. By exploiting any chance to produce a story, they feed on the frenzy of the liberal that is striving for any mundane detail that may derail any effort. Thereby, the media is always accused of being "liberally based". They kind of compliment each other. The media and the liberal, absolutely love to get bogged down in details and isolations.

The people in the Middle East believe that they are in a religious war with us, because of what their Clerics tell them. They are kept oppressed and ignorant and explain away their lack of opportunity by blaming America. We are friends with Jordan, Kuwait, and the Kurds. All are Muslim, but they share a distinction. They are not under large Sunni militant control. Nothing we have done, warrents their perverted sense of "religious" justice and ******* them off is not something to worry about. Doing nothing and allowing their failing civilization to fall under the narcotic of blame is the greatest threat.

The media and the liberal, absolutely love to get bogged down in details and isolations.

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Can't argue with you there. I definatly agree. But couldn't you say the same thing about conservatives?

All are Muslim, but they share a distinction. They are not under large Sunni militant control. Nothing we have done, warrents their perverted sense of "religious" justice and ******* them off is not something to worry about. Doing nothing and allowing their failing civilization to fall under the narcotic of blame is the greatest threat

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Thats a funny thing I hear all the time about the Sunni's. Aren't the sunnis the majority of the muslim people? The shi'ites are the ones who believe in the 6th pillar which is Jihad. So why are we supporting shi'ites?

The people in the Middle East believe that they are in a religious war with us, because of what their Clerics tell them. They are kept oppressed and ignorant and explain away their lack of opportunity by blaming America. We are friends with Jordan, Kuwait, and the Kurds.

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So we are supporting their arguments by bombing them, yes?

We don't arbritarily bomb civilians homes and kill civilians. If they don't want us there, then they should clean up their own messes up by overthrowing their oppressive governments and start taking back the religion. I'm not going to say anything else on this.

We support who ever is trying to make a "whole" Iraq. Our true friends are the Kurds. The Shi'ites are just as dangerous as the Sunni, but are not the wide spread problem.

Two million Christians slaughtered in Sudan....Sunni.

Palestinian terrorists attacks on Israel....Sunni backing from Iran.

Iranian government....Sunni.

The house of Saud (The true lords of terror)....Sunni.

Defiance in the Iraqi elections.....Sunni.

Holding up the current Iraqi constitution....Sunni.

The slaughter of Kurds in Iraq and in Iran.....Sunni.

Saddam Hussein....Sunni.

History has recorded the violence and extremists mentality of the Sunni. While the attempt to fool their fellow Muslim that this is a war against Islam, they are merely using their religion to oppress and to maintain power. They are the true blasphemers of Islam. The worst religious zealot in any religion is the self-appointed executioner of God. The Sunni practice this and offer human sacrifice. Thos that do not partake in this activity, cheer them on. This is a general staement, but it reflects a millions of Middle Eastern sentiments. The problems of the Middle East cannot be summed up to "American policy" and "American blame". They have destroyed their faith and they have destroyed any ability for the Muslim youth to compete against western civilization. When remarks about oil are made, people always stop short at America's door step. To the Sunni, it is very much about power and oil. Their "martyrs" are the biggest fools in the game.

OK. . .but Sunni is still 90% of the Muslim community. Calling Sunnis a widespread problem is pretty much calling Islam a widespread problem, and thats the biggest religion in the world so good luck fighting them. And some of the points on your little list there I wouldn't call terrorist actions. Whats wrong with holding up the writing of their constitution? I'm sure it didn't take us a day to write it.

FinnMacCool said:

OK. . .but Sunni is still 90% of the Muslim community. And some of the points on your little list there I wouldn't call terrorist actions. Whats wrong with holding up the writing of their constitution? I'm sure it didn't take us a day to write it.

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Whoa....Sunni isn't CLOSE to 90% of the Ummah(Muslim community)....

It's not even HALF....

The reason thay are holding up the Constitution is because thay have had over 30 years of raping the rest of Iraq for their own greed and luxury...

Now they are being asked to "play fair"...That is a downgrade to their way of life and what they are used to...

Do you have a link or somethign that says that? I'm certain that Sunnis are 90 percent of the muslim community.